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Steel_Wind
Acolyte
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 Posted - 24 Sep 2006 : 03:12:24
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Hi all,
I am trying to collect as much information and background material as I can on the City of Westgate.
Yes, I know the FRCS has some info, as does Lords of Darkness and the appendix in Cloak and Dagger from 2e is quite handy too.
But as much info as I can find in novels, modules, Dragon or Dungeon articles/adventures and other products going back to 1st and 2nd ed is required.
No lead is too small; no novel too obscure.
Any and all info and pointers are welcome.
Thanks,
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.Robert
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Sep 2006 : 05:15:35
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EvilKnight
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 24 Sep 2006 : 05:36:13
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For abbreviation definitions see http://home.indy.rr.com/evilknight/full.htm
Westgate
Au: 100,110,131
C&D: 9,13,14,17,18,21
Cor: FC
CoRB: 2,4,10,15
CoS: 8
CotD: 34,39,41
CSys: 4
DD: 20
Dr153: 99
Dr179: 28
Dr248: 60
Dr250: 82
Dr259: 63
Dr281: 18
Du66: 42
Du69: 68
Du80: 31,32,36
EE-SoFS: 27,31
F&A: 76
FOR3: 5,15,16,49,51,53,59
FOR4: 14,15
FR11: 14
FR13: 3,33,36,81
FR15: 5,46,54,55,61,64
FRA: 71,73,81,87,91,104,114,115,116,117
FRAtl: viii
FRCS: 26,115,141,142,143,144,145,189,271
FRCS/MoF: 2
FRCS3e: 26,115
FRCS3e/map: 2,4
FRE1: 4
GToR: 19,24,78,79,80,82,83,84,100,101,106,123
HL: 8,9,10,11,34,41,43,55
LoIm: 2f
MC11: 53
MCA3: 91
MS: 18
P&P: 18,20
PftF: 22,38,42,47,51,55,60,96,97
RoMD/CGtMD: 9,84,99
RoU/CGtU: 87
RoZK: 8,48
RoZKm: 1
RtR: 9,16,20,22,30,32,57
SoFS: 5,6,11
SotM: 17,18,40
SS: 5,23,28,32
VGtATM: 9,43,58,59,125
VGtC: 16,67
VGtD: 6,9,107
VGtSC: 56
VL: 8,9,13,14,28,56,57,58,59,77,92,101
W+PoR: 30
W+RoR: 35,106,107
Connections:
-286 DR
FRCS: 144
-349 DR
FRCS: 144
257 DR
FRCS: 144
429 DR
FRCS: 144
734 DR
FRCS: 144
Croamarkh
FRCS: 144
Iyachtu Xvim
FRCS: 144
Kisonraathiisar
FRCS: 144
Night Masks
FRCS: 26,143,144,271
Orlak
FRCS: 144
Pirate Kings
FRCS: 144
Saldrinar of the Seven Spells
FRCS: 142,144
Verovan
FRCS: 144
Westgate arena illus [top]
FRCS: 144
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Steel_Wind
Acolyte
Canada
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Posted - 24 Sep 2006 : 16:36:23
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Originally posted by EvilKnight
For abbreviation definitions see http://home.indy.rr.com/evilknight/full.htm
Westgate
Au: 100,110,131
C&D: 9,13,14,17,18,21
Cor: FC
CoRB: 2,4,10,15
EvilKnight
Wow. I am in awe. Thanks muchly for this. |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 19:18:01
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I found this old thread and thought I'd resurrect it. I'm trying to find the original founding date for Westgate. We know that in -349DR, Saldrinar of the Seven Spells killed Kisonraathiisar and became the city's first human king... but when did the dragon become the king of Westgate?  I've been trying to find the answer to *that* one for days now, and it's difficult, because I move too often and all of my pre-3E Realms material is in storage in another city.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 20:26:23
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Not from the wording used in the Grand History:
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-349: The Year of Bold Poachers: The Netherese wizard Saldrinar of the Seven Spells destroys Kisonraathiisar, the topaz dragon ruler of Westgate, and becomes the city's first human king.
That wording implies that a city named Westgate already existed, and that the dragon was its ruler. I'd also like to know why there's an illustration of a warforged titled "Kisonraathiisar's slow demise" in the GH. Did Saldrinar turn the dragon into a warforged? Or did someone make a mistake in the layout department? Just curious.  |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Calmar
Acolyte
49 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 22:33:29
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Here's a timeline of Westgate's history in .doc format.
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/files/WGtimeline.doc.
edit: I've noticed that it's also in the link to the Cloak & Dagger web enhancement postedt above. |
Edited by - Calmar on 10 Sep 2008 22:36:39 |
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
2165 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 23:38:54
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I have this timeline... it doesn't go back past -349 DR. Thanks anyway. 
I'm suspecting that anything on Westgate prior to this date will need to be invented... and I'm good with that, seeing as I'm inventing the entire Realms post-1373 anyway. 
However, if anyone finds anything canon on the pre-dragon days of Westgate, I'm interested. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 10 Sep 2008 : 23:44:10
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For such a popular region and one that has had more than its fair share of input across the editions, the Dragon Coast is not particularly well-detailed historically. But then again, that could be said about a host of regions including the Dalelands, the Moonsea, The Vilhon Reach and the Heartlands.
That's why I wish that GHotR hadn't been quite so frenetic in its development. I know that personally, if I'd known 6 months sooner that it was going to happen, I would have started trying to flesh out these historical blackspots. Brian did a great job at filling in the proto-history of the Realms - which is his area of interest - and I added lots of dates for areas to the east of the Inner Sea - which is one of my areas of interest - but on the whole, we still left many, many regions fairly bare for historical background.
Who knows, as my kids get older and more independent, I'll hopefully get back to my own timeline and start adding in some more stuff. Get back to me in a decade.
Oh, and back on topic, the genesis of Westgate and its environs would surely have its roots in the Vilhon/Jhaamdath. The only problem with that is the historical treatments of Jhaamdath that have appeared so far don't IMO have that richness of lore and synergy with surrounding areas/lands to provide a satisfying launchpad for a look at the Dragon Coast's history.
Sounds like a good project for a dedicated fan. I know that Tom Costa was looking to pitch a Dragon Coast/Pirate Isles regional sourcebook to WotC a couple of years ago, but that obviously never got anywhere.
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Jakk
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 03:28:26
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| Okay... after searching until I was sick of doing so, I settled on making it up... and I went with -516 (The Year of Winds Westward)... it makes sense from a prophecy point of view, being that Westgate was the westernmost port on the Sea of Fallen Stars (and still is, if you don't count the Dragonmere as part of the SoFS). If anybody finds anything published or obtains lore from Ed that contradicts this, please post the date and source here. |
Playing in the Realms since the Old Grey Box (1987)... and *still* having fun with material published before 2008, despite the NDA'd lore.
If it's comparable in power with non-magical abilities, it's not magic. |
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6680 Posts |
Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 09:25:22
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Originally posted by Fillow
Thanks a lot George.
quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
... Brian did a great job at filling in the proto-history of the Realms - which is his area of interest - and I added lots of dates for areas to the east of the Inner Sea - which is one of my areas of interest - but on the whole, we still left many, many regions fairly bare for historical background.
have these data been collected into a sourcebook or did you gather them somewhere we could see ?
 I kind of ... made most of them up ...
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Fillow
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Ashe Ravenheart
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 20:24:36
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| Fillow, George is one of the contributors to the Grand History of the Realms. So he made it up, but it IS canon. |
I actually DO know everything. I just have a very poor index of my knowledge.
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Fillow
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 11 Sep 2008 : 20:51:48
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Originally posted by Ashe Ravenheart
Fillow, George is one of the contributors to the Grand History of the Realms. So he made it up, but it IS canon.
Yes, I know that Ashe. I'm French, not stupid you know ! 
I read again George's WHOLE sentence ( "I added lots of dates for areas to the east of the Inner Sea") and saw he wrote a lot about the East of the sea, and Westgate is... to the West !
I totally misunderstood what he said.
Sorry for this ! |
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Info Request: The City of Westgate
