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Ranin
Seeker
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 Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 19:33:00
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Whither dost thou knowest wht thou would'dst not thoust withereth? In another words,I have another question for the sages of realmslores out there:
I know there are dragons of the elements, such as red flame dragons and ice breathing whites. I have heard greens breathe deadly chlorine vapors and blacks breathe a hotter fire than reds. What are chromatic dragons exactly and what do they breathe?? And what do gold and silver dragons breathe? And I always thought blue dragons were of ice or water.
Another last question, who were Ingeloacastimizilian, Ihilgore, Thaxll'syk''syllia?
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 19:36:01
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| The SRD is your friend, http://www.d20srd.org/srd/monsters/dragonTrue.htm for your first question. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 20:24:51
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Well, I am no expert so others can correct me if I am wrong, but here we go: The chromatic dragons are the old evil dragons of the D&D system and are divided into colours ( the old dragons are the red, white, blue, black and green; others have been created later). The breath weapons are: flame for red, gas for green, cold for white, acid for black, lightning for blue. The shape of the dragons are meat as far as I know, not of elemental form.
I seem to remember the silver and gold dragons having two breath weapons, as the other metallic dragons.
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 20:32:17
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Originally posted by Jorkens
Well, I am no expert so others can correct me if I am wrong, but here we go: The chromatic dragons are the old evil dragons of the D&D system and are divided into colours ( the old dragons are the red, white, blue, black and green; others have been created later). The breath weapons are: flame for red, gas for green, cold for white, acid for black, lightning for blue. The shape of the dragons are meat as far as I know, not of elemental form.
I seem to remember the silver and gold dragons having two breath weapons, as the other metallic dragons.
in the original D&D there were the five chromatics and then the gold...and they were just flesh and blood and not elemental...later on they introduced "gemstone" dragons, 5 types, the same color as the chromatic..plus (not sure about this) brown vs gold
in 1E AD&D they invented the other 4 metalic dragons and gave the chromatic/metalic dragons the evil/good alignments...another difference between the chromatics and metalics is that all true metalics had two breath weapons..a "lethal" one and a "non-lethal one" (golds being the exception with fire/chlorine gas)..thats why the mercury and steel dragons were arguably not true metalic dragons...they weren't purely good (CN(g) and N(G) alignments) and had only 1 breath weapon...
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 20:40:00
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Thanks for clearing up my ramblings Kalin. I actually never thought about the colours of the dragons being parallels; how could I have missed it?. The yellow dragon could have been meant as the opposite of the gold dragon, but I never saw that species used outside of the Monstrous manual for 2ed.
Shall we bring the neutral gem dragons into this to make it really confusing ? Even though I liked a couple of the species, these always made for a few dragons to many for me personally to include in one game world. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 20:47:19
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Er there were 6 dragons persented in BD&D of different alignments the colors were White (N) Blue (N) Black (C) Red (C) Green (C) and Gold (L) (BD&D did not use Evil or Good as a 9 level alignment system).
1st Edition offered 12 colors Black (CE) Blue (LE) Brass (CG) Bronse (LG) Chromatic (LE , Tiamat) Copper (CG) Gold (LG) Green (LE) Platinmun (LG Bahamut) Red (CE) Silver (LG) White (CE) (Tiamat and Bahamut of couse unique leaving 10 posible colors most adventurers woould encounter).
There were expansions the divided the 10 colors into cromatic and metal and added Gem Dragons as well.
Edit: Gemstone Dragons are listed to RC for Basis (which is not oridginal) D&D which offered Crystal (L) Onyx (N) Jade (N) Sapphire ((L) Ruby (L) Amber (or Brown) (C).
It also offered ruler Dragons
Pearl (C)
Opal (N)
Dimonond (L)
The Great One (unknown alignment)
One should not confuse BD&D and AD&D with Oridginal D&D (The White books) the two versions grew out of that first offer the two designers seeking different ways to expand.
I do not have OD&D material to refer to so not sure what both versions started out with concerning Dragons.
All in all the pattern of metal good, gem nuetral and color evil did appear a founding theme for Dragon alignment, but at first they started out just as colors *wink* |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 22 Sep 2006 21:08:04 |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 20:53:22
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Originally posted by Jorkens
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Shall we bring the neutral gem dragons into this to make it really confusing? Even though I liked a couple of the species, these always made for a few dragons to many for me personally to include in one game world.
I was confused when the gem dragons first came out...as in basic (original) D&D there were the gemstone dragons...stronger or weaker versions of the chromatics...
the gem dragons in 2E filled the "hole" in alignments between a good and evil strain of dragon...I think it was igenious to make them physically weaker and give them psionics to compensate...but I am not a fan of 3E's tweak to the gem dragon where they are from the elemental plane of earth 
then, in Dragon magizine # 170 there were the Ferris dragons..all types of non-precious metals, all having 2 breath weapons but no mixed species alignment...there was the CE one (chrome), the LN one (iron) the NG one (tungston sp?), etc...to me the steel and mercury were more ferris dragons, not metalic
Dragon also published a yellow, orange and purple dragon to complete the chromatics..different than the Realms's yellow and purple (IMO what the deep dragon is)
finally in 2E there were what I thought of as the "elemental" dragons...the shadow, mist, cloud, sea (from dragonlance), moon and sun (from spelljammer), celestial and stellar (also spelljammer...100's of miles long )
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 21:21:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Ranin
I know there are dragons of the elements, such as red flame dragons and ice breathing whites. I have heard greens breathe deadly chlorine vapors and blacks breathe a hotter fire than reds. What are chromatic dragons exactly and what do they breathe?? And what do gold and silver dragons breathe? And I always thought blue dragons were of ice or water.
some goofy ramblings...
red is color of fire..thus fire breath...and The hobbit had a red dragon in a mountain so it is the mountain dragon...
blue is the color of sky, so lightning weapon...it needed an environment so where is the most exposed sky? the desert...plus there is alot of static electricity in the desert
green is the color of (living) trees, so green for forests...and chlorine gas is usually depicted as a yellowish-green color...
black is the gloomy color, so choose swamps (thought also as gloomy..and add an acid breath as swamp water is poisonous, decaying and smelly, like acid
white: snow is white, arctic...ice breath...nuff said  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 21:29:01
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Originally posted by Ranin
Another last question, who were Ingeloacastimizilian, Ihilgore, Thaxll'syk''syllia?
I don't know about the last two, but the first one, Ingeloakastimizilian, is also known as Icingdeath -- the white dragon slain by Drizzt, Wulfgar, and an icicle. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2006 : 21:43:13
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Er there were 6 dragons persented in BD&D of different alignments the colors were White (N) Blue (N) Black (C) Red (C) Green (C) and Gold (L) (BD&D did not use Evil or Good as a 9 level alignment system).
1st Edition offered 12 colors Black (CE) Blue (LE) Brass (CG) Bronse (LG) Chromatic (LE , Tiamat) Copper (CG) Gold (LG) Green (LE) Platinmun (LG Bahamut) Red (CE) Silver (LG) White (CE) (Tiamat and Bahamut of couse unique leaving 10 posible colors most adventurers woould encounter).
There were expansions the divided the 10 colors into cromatic and metal and added Gem Dragons as well.
Edit: Gemstone Dragons are listed to RC for Basis (which is not oridginal) D&D which offered Crystal (L) Onyx (N) Jade (N) Sapphire ((L) Ruby (L) Amber (or Brown) (C).
It also offered ruler Dragons
Pearl (C)
Opal (N)
Dimonond (L)
The Great One (unknown alignment)
One should not confuse BD&D and AD&D with Oridginal D&D (The White books) the two versions grew out of that first offer the two designers seeking different ways to expand.
I do not have OD&D material to refer to so not sure what both versions started out with concerning Dragons.
All in all the pattern of metal good, gem nuetral and color evil did appear a founding theme for Dragon alignment, but at first they started out just as colors *wink*
I never understood why in 1E the chromatic and platinum dragon was listed as a species...if they were unique to begin with...
And I forgot about the D&D ruler dragons...they had their own planes or something...I always thought those extra D&D gemstone dragons felt "tacked on" to the game...vs when they developed the true chromatics/metalics in AD&D
All I had was a few pieces of basic D&D when I started role playing...I didn’t know that the original white books were different than the color D&D box sets
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 23 Sep 2006 : 00:02:32
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Originally posted by kalin agrivar
I never understood why in 1E the chromatic and platinum dragon was listed as a species...if they were unique to begin with...
And I forgot about the D&D ruler dragons...they had their own planes or something...I always thought those extra D&D gemstone dragons felt "tacked on" to the game...vs when they developed the true chromatics/metalics in AD&D
All I had was a few pieces of basic D&D when I started role playing...I didn’t know that the original white books were different than the color D&D box sets
They were a Species of One.
Just like the Archfiends were basically a Species of One.
At least that is one way of reading it... |
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Beirnadri Magranth
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 Sep 2006 : 19:55:01
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Here's a list of dragons with what breath weapon(s) they have.
Chromatic (evil) dragons
red- cone of fire
white- cone of cold
blue- line of lightning
green- cone of acid
black- line of acid
Metallic (good) Dragons
bronze- line of lightning, cone of repulsion
brass- line of fire, cone of sleep
silver- cone of cold, cone of paralyze
copper- line of acid, cone of slow
gold- cone of fire, cone of weakness
Gem dragons
sapphire- cone of sonic/fear
emerald- cone of sonic
crystal- cone of light
amethyst- line of force
topaz- cone of dehydration
Misc.
rust- line of acid, cone of rust
fang- no breath weapon
shadow- cone of energy drain
battle- cone of sonic, cone of fear
chaos- line of random energy, cone of confusion
ethereal- cone of force
howling- cone of sonic, cone of insanity
oceanus- line of lightning, cone of tranquility
pyroclastic- cone of fire/sonic, line of disintegration
radiant- line of force, cone of light
Styx- line of acid, cone of stupidity
Tarterian- line of force, cone of despair
force- cone of force
prismatic- prismatic spray |
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