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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 21 Sep 2006 :  20:34:14  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Has any one ever worked with or RPGed in the "lost continent" in Toril, the african continent that was mentioned a few times in old Dragon Magizine issues?

in the 2E Gold and Glory module there is even a mercenary company from that continent..

oh, forgot to add I can give the list of "africa" Dragon Magaizines tomorrow...and I figure the largest "unknown" continent off the east coast of Kara-Tur is the Lost Continent

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Sanishiver
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Posted - 21 Sep 2006 :  21:44:51  Show Profile  Visit Sanishiver's Homepage Send Sanishiver a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I haven't, though I've been mighty interested to see what's on the other continents of Toril.

I'm thinking a continent filled with Dragons and Giants, for my game at least.

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 21 Sep 2006 :  21:55:44  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
The last "Lost Continent" thing that I was thinking about was Osse. I was thinking about not making it a carbon copy of Australia, but rather including the culture that Gunny came from as just one portion of the continent, with much of it filled with prehistoric creatures (dire creatures and extinct mammals, not just dinosaurs and the like, and I would separate a few of them from each other with lakes and islands).

I was also thinking of having an ancient Netherese city on the continent with tons of portals, and decendants that still use magic but lost a lot of their ancient knowledge. There are only a few cities of these, rather small, with a healthy but not thriving, tradition of magic.

Besides Gunny's people and the Netherese decendants, the continent is largely unpopulated by intelligent creatures, and this is the same continent that is often hunted by Imvaernarho, and the sparse human population is worried that eventually the dragon will notice that there are, indeed, some potential "subjects" in his hunting grounds.

But its all loose ideas, nothing that I have definately fleshed out.
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Actually I know several folks, Eric Boyd and myself included, who recommend the Nyambe setting and placing the Africa-esque continent to the southwest of Nimbral and south of Maztica. I can't recall for sure anymore, but I think existing lore placed the continent to the SW of Faerun and also if I recall correctly, the contintent to the SW is shaped much like the one presented in the Nyambe setting. Obviously there would have to be some changes to that setting to make it fit.
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The Sage
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quote:
Originally posted by KnightErrantJR

The last "Lost Continent" thing that I was thinking about was Osse. I was thinking about not making it a carbon copy of Australia, but rather including the culture that Gunny came from as just one portion of the continent, with much of it filled with prehistoric creatures (dire creatures and extinct mammals, not just dinosaurs and the like, and I would separate a few of them from each other with lakes and islands).
If you ever detail it KEJR, I wouldn't mind seeing it.

In terms of Osse though... aside from a few obvious examples in the book (Lady of Poison), I wouldn't say that Osse is a direct translation of, or heavily influenced by, Australian Aborigine culture -- Gunggari's mannerisms aside (as well as his dizheri), the supposed "ways" of the Osse people could very well be associated with many other examples of Polynesian tribal cultures.

I always thought the actual name "Osse" was a bit of a joke as a matter of fact...

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 22 Sep 2006 :  13:55:05  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by TomCosta

Actually I know several folks, Eric Boyd and myself included, who recommend the Nyambe setting and placing the Africa-esque continent to the southwest of Nimbral and south of Maztica. I can't recall for sure anymore, but I think existing lore placed the continent to the SW of Faerun and also if I recall correctly, the contintent to the SW is shaped much like the one presented in the Nyambe setting. Obviously there would have to be some changes to that setting to make it fit.



you are right I went through my Dragon magazines last night and saw the map did fit the southern continent (south of Maztica, it fits that continent's northern tip)

The Dragon magizine with the main Africa article is #189 (it is in 2nd Ed. AD&D)...there are other supplemental Dragon magizines with african info:

122 - african monsters (1E)
195 - african warrior kits (2E)
200 - african wizard kits (2E)
202 - african races (2E)
209 - african priest kits (2E)
215 - african gods (2E)

has anyone accepted the article as canon (due to the Gold and Glory entry)?

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VonRaventheDaring
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Posted - 22 Sep 2006 :  16:39:32  Show Profile  Visit VonRaventheDaring's Homepage Send VonRaventheDaring a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You know i almost hate to post this due to feeling like i am beating a drum but would it better to put something like a city of Jhaamdath on a lost continent or even more interesting perhaps a Jhaamdath and Netherness city/culture of sometype. I mean don't you feel we have enough netherness in the world as is.

I loved the Osse (i always thought it was a tounge in cheek kinda name)from lady of Posion, and i think i read something once about marsupials that could talk from Osse as well, although i don't think it was from Lady of Posion and i can't for the life of me remember where it was, it think it was a short story in one of the Realms of books. Wooly will probabbly be along shortly with the answer to that though he usually is.
No i hadn't heard of the African Continent so i couldn't use it as lore, but then i don't really use the other Continents that are out there (lack of lore usually), some lore on them would be nice though.

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Jorkens
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Well, I am not Wooly (hairy, yes, woolly, no), but the marsupials are probably the talking wombats from the Ring of Winter in the Harper series. One of my favorite "silly" elements in a realms novel.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 22 Sep 2006 :  19:11:50  Show Profile  Visit ericlboyd's Homepage Send ericlboyd a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by kalin agrivar

has anyone accepted the article as canon (due to the Gold and Glory entry)?



There's more evidence towards this theory in Serpent Kingdoms. Look at the origin of the Thindolese in the geography chapter and the history of the realms on the Chultan peninsula.

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Kalin Agrivar
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Posted - 22 Sep 2006 :  19:18:03  Show Profile  Visit Kalin Agrivar's Homepage Send Kalin Agrivar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by ericlboyd
There's more evidence towards this theory in Serpent Kingdoms. Look at the origin of the Thindolese in the geography chapter and the history of the realms on the Chultan peninsula.

--Eric


ahhhh

with the Hordeland article coming out soon in Dragon maybe a good idea for one of the writers to propose for Dragon an updated africa article for the Realms

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 23 Sep 2006 :  03:41:10  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by VonRaventheDaring

You know i almost hate to post this due to feeling like i am beating a drum but would it better to put something like a city of Jhaamdath on a lost continent or even more interesting perhaps a Jhaamdath and Netherness city/culture of sometype. I mean don't you feel we have enough netherness in the world as is.




The main reason I was thinking of a Netherese city is that:

a) Some of the enclaves were said to have wandered around the world to other continents.

b) Imvaernarho's portals are mentioned as likely being Netherese in origin, and it would tie that element into the story.

I have less problem with Netherese that have "lost" a lot of their culture and secrets than with ones that still remember the glory of Netheril, but I understand what you are saying.
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