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dannyfu
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 04:00:06
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ooo, this is fun. i can see its an old post but i'm glad Sarephim brought it up otherwise i might never have seen it.
favorite- i'm going with fflar starbrow melruth. sooooo much potential. never have i gotten so into a character who isn't in the spotlight.
worst- roddy from sojourn. i couldn't believe a character like that would give drizzt such a run for his money after his fight with the spirit-wraith. it just fell short.
sidenote- i noticed a lot of people put drizzt down as their least favorite because he is getting played out, the "wolverine" of forgotten realms. i agree it would be nice to give him a long deserved break, but i still think he's a great character. mr. salvatore probably is going on the "why change what works" notion with the increasing success and popularity that drizzt is bringing to him and the realms as a whole. i can see why older realms fans would get annoyed with people limiting themselves to r.a. salvatore's works only with so many stories, characters and a myriad of amazing authors to explore. just an observation i guess. pardon my rambling. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 04:36:51
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Originally posted by dannyfu
sidenote- i noticed a lot of people put drizzt down as their least favorite because he is getting played out, the "wolverine" of forgotten realms. i agree it would be nice to give him a long deserved break, but i still think he's a great character. mr. salvatore probably is going on the "why change what works" notion with the increasing success and popularity that drizzt is bringing to him and the realms as a whole. i can see why older realms fans would get annoyed with people limiting themselves to r.a. salvatore's works only with so many stories, characters and a myriad of amazing authors to explore. just an observation i guess. pardon my rambling.
I don't think it's RAS that's doing that -- it's the people writing the checks that are doing it. It occurs to me that part of the reason he's doing the Artemis/Jarlaxle stories, and part of the reason he's imported characters from the Cleric Quintet, is because he's getting tired of writing Drizzt, too, and wants to run with some other characters. But Wizards is unwilling to let their cash cow go, so we keep getting hammered with Drizzt books. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 04:53:13
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Originally posted by dannyfu
ooo, this is fun. i can see its an old post but i'm glad Sarephim brought it up otherwise i might never have seen it.
favorite- i'm going with fflar starbrow melruth. sooooo much potential. never have i gotten so into a character who isn't in the spotlight.
worst- roddy from sojourn. i couldn't believe a character like that would give drizzt such a run for his money after his fight with the spirit-wraith. it just fell short.
sidenote- i noticed a lot of people put drizzt down as their least favorite because he is getting played out, the "wolverine" of forgotten realms. i agree it would be nice to give him a long deserved break, but i still think he's a great character. mr. salvatore probably is going on the "why change what works" notion with the increasing success and popularity that drizzt is bringing to him and the realms as a whole. i can see why older realms fans would get annoyed with people limiting themselves to r.a. salvatore's works only with so many stories, characters and a myriad of amazing authors to explore. just an observation i guess. pardon my rambling.
I would disagree on this, I am an "older" FR fan, and IMO Drizzt is great, along with just about evey other FR character out there. I do Agree with Wooly, it's more in line with what sells for the powers that be, that dictates what is written or for that matter, not written. I think the Authors, at least the ones who visit this site have other great ideas for realms stories, but are kept in check by the money makers who make the final decisions for books and realms lore. |
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Scot Storm
Acolyte
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 05:10:33
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I agree with the both of you gentlemen,
I'am too a Forgotten Realms fan and think that banking on Drizzit
is ideal and a good way to showcase his talents. His remarkable way of insight is what draws me to his novels. Feelings of being an outkast and his daily struggles with Catti-Brie and Wulfgar keep leading me back to the pages such as a horse to grass. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 11:38:36
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Originally posted by dannyfu
sidenote- i noticed a lot of people put drizzt down as their least favorite because he is getting played out, the "wolverine" of forgotten realms.
I'd also compare his characters to Jean Grey: repetitive annoyances that just wouldn't stay dead no matter how many times they "seem" to die. And oh, now that I think about it, further paralells can be made, ala the love quadrilaterals that just. Won't. Get. Concluded. (Jean Grey/Scott Summers/Logan/Emma Frost et al -> Drizzt/Wulfgar/Catti-brie/Innovindil.)
Ah, the wonderful nature of commercial entertainment. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 15:10:06
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| Of course, most superpowered characters in comics won't stay dead, and given that's the case, we shouldn't expect one sometimes called Phoenix to do it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 16:45:53
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| 'Tis part of the reason I switched from comics to manga. I was tired of the way the comics industry deals with their characters and plots. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 18:28:57
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
'Tis part of the reason I switched from comics to manga. I was tired of the way the comics industry deals with their characters and plots.
Manga is the win. I'm rather glad I grew up on manga and anime long before they became popular in the west and, for that matter, before I ever became acquainted with comics. |
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Smyther
Learned Scribe
Canada
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 20:05:12
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Originally posted by dannyfu
worst- roddy from sojourn. i couldn't believe a character like that would give drizzt such a run for his money after his fight with the spirit-wraith. it just fell short.
Really? How do you feel that he fell short?
I personally thought Roddy was a unique character in the Drizzt series, and I was really dissapointed when he just 'disappeared' at the end of Sojourn. He isn't dead, and I don't think he'd give up, yet we never hear any mention of him again. He was a brutal villain that could have been expanded on.
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 20:35:25
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Originally posted by Smyther
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Originally posted by dannyfu
worst- roddy from sojourn. i couldn't believe a character like that would give drizzt such a run for his money after his fight with the spirit-wraith. it just fell short.
Really? How do you feel that he fell short?
From what I understand of Drizzt fans, I imagine Roddy would be considered an "unworthy" adversary because he's a mere human without fifteen levels in fighter/rogue/assassin/something glamorous, and nor has he been proclaimed the bestestest swordsman/assassin/something cool-sounding in all of the Realms. Oh, and he doesn't have cool magical gadgets.
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I personally thought Roddy was a unique character in the Drizzt series, and I was really dissapointed when he just 'disappeared' at the end of Sojourn. He isn't dead, and I don't think he'd give up, yet we never hear any mention of him again. He was a brutal villain that could have been expanded on.
I thought he was rather one-dimensional, but then again, most characters in the series are. Roddy was nothing compared to Kierkan Rufo, though, who defied the epitome of pathetic. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 20:54:35
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| from what I remember, Drizzt was trying not to kill Roddy. As far as someone giving him a title of best swordsman or whatever, I remember reading a post from the hooded one about Ed's reply, none of these folks were even close to being on a list of that magnitude |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Mar 2006 : 21:19:11
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Originally posted by scererar
from what I remember, Drizzt was trying not to kill Roddy. As far as someone giving him a title of best swordsman or whatever, I remember reading a post from the hooded one about Ed's reply, none of these folks were even close to being on a list of that magnitude
Yes, but most Drizzt fans don't know that. They get the idea that Drizzt is ZOMG teh best evar2!11! swordsman, and Artemis is ZOMG teh badassest assassin!11! And there stops their understanding -- or interest, in general -- of the Realms. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 03:41:21
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I concur winterfox, I think there is even more of a divide between those who like or don't like Drizzt, as there is about those who like or dislike Ed's style of writing or his characters. It's crazy IMO, I like them all .
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 05:29:06
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Originally posted by Winterfox
From what I understand of Drizzt fans, I imagine Roddy would be considered an "unworthy" adversary because he's a mere human without fifteen levels in fighter/rogue/assassin/something glamorous, and nor has he been proclaimed the bestestest swordsman/assassin/something cool-sounding in all of the Realms. Oh, and he doesn't have cool magical gadgets.
 That is my feeling, as well.
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I agree with the both of you gentlemen,
I'am too a Forgotten Realms fan and think that banking on Drizzit
is ideal and a good way to showcase his talents. His remarkable way of insight is what draws me to his novels. Feelings of being an outkast and his daily struggles with Catti-Brie and Wulfgar keep leading me back to the pages such as a horse to grass.
I wish I could agree. The same plots just get old after awhile. I think the characters have potential, but the author seems almost reluctant to really take a risk and try something new with them. Wulfgar went in a different direction for a while (alcoholic, depressed, alone), but eventually just came back to the person he was before--cheerful, battle-loving barbarian who thinks he loves Catti-brie (never mind the fact that he adopted an innocent child who is totally dependant on him to be a good father!). It was as if all the problems he went through never happened.
I felt kind of unsatisfied with Promise of the Witch-King as well. There was so much potential for some juicy side-plots (remember Ellery?) but the author didn't take that potential anywhere. I feel like that novel was, in a way, half-finished. |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2006 : 16:04:00
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Winterfox
From what I understand of Drizzt fans, I imagine Roddy would be considered an "unworthy" adversary because he's a mere human without fifteen levels in fighter/rogue/assassin/something glamorous, and nor has he been proclaimed the bestestest swordsman/assassin/something cool-sounding in all of the Realms. Oh, and he doesn't have cool magical gadgets.
That is my feeling, as well.
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I agree with the both of you gentlemen,
I'am too a Forgotten Realms fan and think that banking on Drizzit
is ideal and a good way to showcase his talents. His remarkable way of insight is what draws me to his novels. Feelings of being an outkast and his daily struggles with Catti-Brie and Wulfgar keep leading me back to the pages such as a horse to grass.
I wish I could agree. The same plots just get old after awhile. I think the characters have potential, but the author seems almost reluctant to really take a risk and try something new with them. Wulfgar went in a different direction for a while (alcoholic, depressed, alone), but eventually just came back to the person he was before--cheerful, battle-loving barbarian who thinks he loves Catti-brie (never mind the fact that he adopted an innocent child who is totally dependant on him to be a good father!). It was as if all the problems he went through never happened.
I felt kind of unsatisfied with Promise of the Witch-King as well. There was so much potential for some juicy side-plots (remember Ellery?) but the author didn't take that potential anywhere. I feel like that novel was, in a way, half-finished.
I felt the same Way RF. I don't know the why's of why a novel is written the way it is, but I do remember something posted here about ed's novels and the editing that occurs. It seems that sometimes after all of the editing and such that goes on, one is left with a few holes in reading. Spellfire was an example that comes to mind, the newer verion of it specifically filled in some of the originally cut portions. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Mar 2006 : 03:05:17
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Editing is possible, but after reading about 15+ books with barely any character development, I would have thought some real meat would have shown up by now.  |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2006 : 06:28:47
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Editing is possible, but after reading about 15+ books with barely any character development, I would have thought some real meat would have shown up by now.
most certainly, I too have been waiting for more. I think at this point Paul Kemp, IMO is standing out above all others, and cannot wait until his next trilogy. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 00:30:27
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Oh, and I'll add one more fave character, this one from the comics:
Kyriani!
What did you think of Ishi Barasume, the Stone Rose? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 00:49:30
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Oh, and I'll add one more fave character, this one from the comics:
Kyriani!
What did you think of Ishi Barasume, the Stone Rose?
Ishi was cool, but no one compares to Kyri. |
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Ardashir
Senior Scribe
USA
544 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 23:32:06
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Ishi was cool, but no one compares to Kyri.
True. Say, do you remember the issue titled "Who Really Runs the Realms?" where we get to see Kyri in a bikini? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 02:41:59
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Originally posted by Ardashir
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Ishi was cool, but no one compares to Kyri.
True. Say, do you remember the issue titled "Who Really Runs the Realms?" where we get to see Kyri in a bikini?
I reread that one last week. Ditto for the Lawyers! issue of AD&D.  |
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Zimme
Learned Scribe
Denmark
209 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2006 : 17:57:19
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Erevis Cale, Artemis&Drizzt, Bruenor, wulfgar, Obould, Elaith Craulnober, Lirel, Ryld Argith .... the list goes on.
The son of Triel Baenre, the half-drow half-demon. The name ecapes me now. he's a BASTARD!!!! |
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Victor_ograygor
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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MerrikCale
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 Oct 2006 : 21:44:46
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my favorites are Drizzt, Cadderly, Caledan Caldorien, Kyri
Don't like the Knights of Myth Drannor, the Seven Sisters or Elminster. |
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Haman
Seeker
USA
60 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2006 : 22:15:40
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Fav: The Simbul
Least Fav: Wulfgar |
Some people say we gamers have no lives....I think we have too many. |
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Twilight
Seeker
Canada
68 Posts |
Posted - 09 Nov 2006 : 08:22:00
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Fav:Jarlaxle or Drizzt
Least Fav: Regis |
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quajack
Seeker
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Posted - 09 Nov 2006 : 15:02:29
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| In the "characters you love to hate" category, I'd have to give my nod to Brin from THE YELLOW SILK. He is one of the most unique villians ever to grace the pages of a FR novel. How could you not appreciate an evil halfling crime-lord who holds an entire community in a perpetual grip of terror. Don Basingthwaite did such a good job with this one that I gave in and bought his 2 Ebberon novels. (Haven't read 'em yet). |
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