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Halidan
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USA
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2006 : 17:37:28
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| Thanks Kentinal. I've not seen that particular timeline. It's different from Schend's in CEoE and puts bits and pieces of new information in the mix. I'll study the two side by side and post my thoughts later. |
"Over the Mountains
Of the Moon
Down the Valley of the Shadow,
Ride, boldly ride,"
The shade replied,
"If you seek for Eldorado!"
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TBeholder
Great Reader
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Posted - 25 Aug 2015 : 16:54:42
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
You know, I've been thinking about the idea that the Seldarine didn't get involved while Lolth was silent, and that they haven't acted against her or the drow, and even about how things came about in this novel, and I've come up with some theories.
Here are two objections to the very root of the issue:
1) Act against the drow with what forces? Mobilized surface elves? Most of these are either commoners with basic training or hunters, still without much experience in any terrain but forest or in actual combat. The rest are still almost worthless. There's a reason why cool elves either settle far from the rest or join humans: among the narcissistic, irresponsible, hypocritical elven majority habitually painting its laziness and cowardice as wisdom and foresight the only way to achieve anything is the way out.
The followers of Shevarash are pretty much the only ones who want to fight the drow, rather than restrict themselves to telling scary tales and then exchange backslapping over being so much better.
The drow priestesses can't do much, but there are drow warriors and wizards - survivors of the Underdark - bouncing between "desperate" and "glory hound" modes. Behind all their orc slaves and pet monsters.
2) ...while Lolth was silent? And what happened in her previous sixteen "retreats"? Hey, it's not like she flaunts the image of an ambush predator, or anything like that?..
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CorellonsDevout
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2015 : 01:04:33
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Interesting concepts, everyone. Normally I would have more to say on this topic, but it's been a rough day and my mind is elsewhere, so I can't contribute much right now. I'll probably come up with something later.
I will say however that, as others have pointed out, the Ilythiiri had already started turning to dark powers, and while I agree not all of them should have been punished, the saddest thing about war is that innocents suffer too, whether it is a war between gods, mortals, or both. The Crown Wars were a dark and foolish time in elven history. I love elves, but I fully acknowledge they can be prideful and have done some less than savory things. I also think the Vyshaan and the guilty gold elf houses responsible for the mayhem should have been more severely punished, but anyway...
The "curse of the drow" gets tricky when you bring in Eilistraee's followers. Yet, again as others have pointed out, she made her choice to leave Arvandor--against her father's wishes--to be a balance for a drow. Ideally of course, only the Ilythiir who were guilty would have been punished, but instead there was a big "oops" in the ritual. However, while this "oops" likely hadn't been foreseen by the Seldarine, it is clear even the gods have their limits, and perhaps Corellon overstep his limits, and instead of being allowed to "fix" the mistake, he, and by extension, his followers, have to live with it, just as we mortals have to live with our mistakes. Oh, yes, the dark elves were cursed and cast into the Underdark, but they have become an awesome and powerful race, and are one of the surface elves' most hated enemies. Sheverash experienced that first hand in the Dark Court Slaughter. So, the Seldarine and the elves are now living with the "mistake" of the high ritual.
I don't think Vhaeraun poses the same threat as Lolth. He was a young upstart easily persuaded by mommy. Now, I love Vhaeraun, and I don't think he is nearly as malicious as Lolth. His followers want to reclaim their realm in the surface, and this would certainly pose a threat to the elves, but, as shown in LP (make whatever arguments you want about that series), Eilistraeens and Vhaeraunites are capable of working together. Brother and sister may be different in their alignments, but I don't think their goals are that different--they just have different ways of going about it.
This is just me rambling, but I wanted to add something to this thread. |
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Irennan
Great Reader
Italy
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Posted - 26 Aug 2015 : 03:05:53
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| I just want to see what Corellon thinks about Eilistraee and Vhaeraun and their drow followers (not the changed ones), now that the twins are back. Seeing that they just had to give us something like LP, at least try to get something useful out of it. |
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Random Speculation On Corellon's Big Plans
