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Mace Hammerhand
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 Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 13:47:01
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I'm fixing to work on a campaign timeline and I want to incorporate the founding of the Silver Marches, 1371 DR, into the story.
Alustriel has been working on the founding for quite a while so it would be safe to assume that in 1366 DR (my campaign's current year) there are already delegations moving in and out of Silverymoon, plus Emerus Warcrown will probably be trying to muster troops for the reclamation of Felbarr (1367DR), after all such a campaign does take time.
In R. A. Salvatore's 1k orcs Bruenor Battlehammer, who after all is a founding and a council member of the Silver Marches, asks for military assistance from Alustriel. The book is dated 1368 DR, according to WOTC site and the Chronology by Brian.
Basically this would mean either:
a) Ed screwed up when writing the Silver Marchges supplement. HIGHLY UNLIKELY!!!! well, actually, BLOODY IMPOSSIBLE!!!
b) WOTC didn't bother to check the dates
c) Bob Salvatore didn't do his research
d) Lurue, which has already been mentioned in Hellgate Keep, did already exist as a preliminary city-conglomeration. Also unlikely because King Warcrown would, despite the dwarves being an industrious people, not have been able to re-build and re-arm Felbarr within maybe three quarters of a year.
Dunno if we discussed this before, didn't find it...
My bet is that 1k orcs takes place in 1371, or even better 1372...
what do you think?
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Jorkens
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 14:05:43
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| I seem to remember there being some bad communications between Salvatore and the gaming department that were to blame for this. I could be wrong though. |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 14:07:53
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| I'd vote for "c" not to bash RAS but just for the fact his books have always been out of synch with the rest of the (mainstream) Realms timeline...and I bet that opens the possibility of alot of crossed wires about the timeline |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 14:14:18
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I seem to remember there being some bad communications between Salvatore and the gaming department that were to blame for this. I could be wrong though.
Yes Wizards had another case of one hand not knowing what the others doing. (The same thing happaned with the Mysteries of Moonsea's developers and Rich Baker ie the useless Hillsfar chapter in MoM) |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 14:15:57
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Which still leaves the question:
when do the events take place? Considering that Last Mythal takes place in 1374, IIRC, the Silver Marches have a massive army to guard their borders against the fey'ri and move into, was it, the High Forest to assist the wood elves. There is no mention about the Kingdom of Many Arrows in the series, but it has to be assumed that the orc nation still stands, and maybe even has signed a peace treaty with the Silver Marches, otherwise no sane commander, even tho Alustriel is a lil on the crazy side same as any Chosen, would have sent troops to leave the northern flank of a realm unguarded. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 14:22:32
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Jorkens
I seem to remember there being some bad communications between Salvatore and the gaming department that were to blame for this. I could be wrong though.
Yes Wizards had another case of one hand not knowing what the others doing. (The same thing happaned with the Mysteries of Moonsea's developers and Rich Baker ie the useless Hillsfar chapter in MoM)
I thought MoM takes place in 1372, which wouldn't render the material useless until 1374.
Look at all the supplements that have been rendered obsolete by new supplements and/or novels. Ruins of Myth Drannor is kinda pointless if your campaign starts after 1374. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 15:02:49
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The Hillsfar chapter in MoM was useless before it even reached the stores (Infact the Last Mythal came out and invalidated it a month before MoM was released)
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Arkhaedun
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 15:11:45
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A lot of wires have gotten crossed with regards to when certain events happen and what products are coming out when. For the most part, eventually these things iron themselves out.
Lets not be too quick to assign blame anywhere when it comes to this, especially since this part of the forums is for discussing the actual, known facts of the Realms, not conjecturing on what lead to any confusion.
Also, lets try to avoid getting into discussions about other products than what was originally asked for in this thread. I appreciate everyone's participation, but I don't want us wandering too far afield or into territory that this area wasn't set up for.
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 15:36:24
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Weelll, back to topic...how can this be ironed out?
1) 1368 DR for 1k Orcs is plain wrong since the Silver Marches did not exist back then.
2) Felbarr was reclaimed in 1367 DR. Warcrown could not have made the rebuilding of the city AND managed to supply a relief army for Clan Battlehammer within 1 year, since there were not that many dwarves involved in the battle and there also had to be a defenseforce in Felbarr.
3) in 1374 DR the Silver Marches muster a massive army to counter the fey'ri threat and leaving their northern border weakened.
4) It took clan Battlehammer quite some time to reestablish their holdings in Mithral Hall. Even with the Thunder Blessing the dwarves of Felbarr did not have an instant renovation and redecoration, it had to take time.
5)Alustriel herself said they could not afford manpower to help reclaim the area north of Mithral Hall, in (the time is fuzzy) either 1371 or 1372, maybe even 1373. I'd lean to 1371 the more I think of it. My reason: the Silver Marches is still an unstable state, the contracts have just been signed, the army is commissioned but has to be trained. Warcrown had 4 years to rebuild Felbarr (was it Warcrown anyroad?) and strengthen his hold on the region Felbarr controls. Those forces Alustriel has already mustered are too few to patrol the borders and simultaneously bolster Mithral Hall.
By 1374, with the still looming threat of the Kingdom of Many Arrows, the army of the Silver Marches has increased in skill and number. Since Obould's plan was to form a kingdom and trade, it could well be possible that he succeeded, still the orc threat is there. With Mithral Hall being heavily fortified, a dam against the orcs, Alustriel can commit more of her forces to aid the wood elves...
that's just my idea but it would've some merit |
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Mkhaiwati
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 17:48:32
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It has been my understanding that the events in 1k orcs took place before the founding of the Silver Marches. There is no mention of it within the book that I remember.
You make a good point about the dwarves of Felbarr too weak to help out Mithral Hall. Removing that point, however, can make everything else work together.
Perhaps, the cooperation between Felbarr and Mithral Hall, leads to greater cooperation between all the power groups up there. Alustriel sees the need for an organized central power, also because of their inability to help Nesme. Blammo! you get the creation of the Silver Marches. As well as a good army to help others, such as the elves of the High Forest against the Fey'ri.
Of course, you then have no mention of the Kingdom of Many Arrows in any other products. That is another issue to deal with later.
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Hoondatha
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 18:21:30
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I always thought 1k Orcs (I like that abbreviation, I'll have to remember it) took play in the 1371-2 timeframe (somewhere in there). But since my campaign has veered rather far from canon where the North is concerned, I'm probably not going to be too much help dating things.
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Arkhaedun
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 18:30:34
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I have already, very nicely, suggested that we get back on topic. That was one warning.
We cannot veer into discussions of author's professional skills here. Its beyond what this section of the forum has as its scope, and its not fair to the authors.
I would appreciate it if we can keep the remarks about the authors to a minimum, and actually discuss the timeline and what is known in "canon" as per the intent of this section of the forum.
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 08 Sep 2006 : 21:01:03
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Originally posted by Mkhaiwati
It has been my understanding that the events in 1k orcs took place before the founding of the Silver Marches. There is no mention of it within the book that I remember.
I'll have to reread that part, but I think it was mentioned somewhere in book 3...I might be wrong. Altho I do remember the entire passage resounding in my o so full brain when I read through the silver marches sourcebook.
Arkhaedun, I, by absolutely no means, wanted to cause any conflict with my initial post.
I asked for opinions, and if you check the list I wrote down, it says under "C" Bob Salvatore didn't do his research.
This is not meant as another Salvatore flame, but instead meant to find out exactly when the trilogy takes place, because as I have pointed out before, 1k Orcs could not have happened at the time the official timeline says it did.
Furthermore, and this part I just realized:
1 Earth year equals roughly 1 Toril year, if I remember correctly, the design team moves the timeline forward one year when we ourselves celebrate new years day.
First printing of the Silver Marches sourcebook July 2002, timeline ends with 1372, which should lead to the conclusion that 2002 equals (design timeline wise) 1372 DR. Th 1k Orcs was released in October 2002, still 1372 DR.
Events in 1368 (the supposed time of the events of 1k Orcs) do not mention anything of an orc war which, if we follow the 1/1 rule, would have happened approximately 1998 Earthtime. Sure, one could argue that this rule wasn't in place back in the late 90s, which is ok.
What isn't ok is that Felbarr, after merely a year of dwarven occupation/settlement would send out some 1500 soldiers to help out the neighbors, especially if the general population is as low as it is/was. By 1372 Felbarr's people number about 7000.
It tends to reason that one year after reclaiming the fortress there weren't as many people living there, but even if there were, we'd still have the usually around, elderly, young whatnot. of a population of 7k a third is too old, or too young to fight. Leaves about 4.5k give or take a few hundred. Most of which have to work in the mines/smelters/smithies so that the economy works. The rest of the workforce will clear the place and reinforce fortifications. Even if this number is only 2000 it leaves only 2.5k to guard the place. With 1500 leaving to help Mithral Hall, Emerus Warcrown would have left only 1k trained defenders plus whatever militia he can scrounge together to guard a keep that was once held by Obould's couple thousand orc warriors plus their wives and children.
Also, the FRCS states that in 1371 Obould's army is 2k warriors strong and also has attached to it wives and children. If the 1k Orc events had happened in 1368 what happened to the Kingdom of Many Arrows which never received a mention in either the campaign setting or the Silver Marches sourcebook?
In the trilogy Obould commands tens of thousands of orcs, the last such big ass horde was seen when Black Arrow keep was besieged by orcs, won the day only to be defeated by Emerus Warcrown's fresh dwarves.
I am trying out where to correctly place the entire siege of Mithral Hall, and it sure as hell ain't 1368. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2006 : 01:09:27
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You know, I thought I had a handle on the North's recent history, but now my head hurts just thinking about it. I'm going to have to think about this a lot more. Is Hunter's Blades really in 1368? Wow that makes things intereting.
I just checked the 2e sourcebook The North (published in 1996), where the current year is 1370. Felbarr has been liberated for about two years and its current population is about 1,200 dwarves, with 4,000 reinforcements "from the south" due in a few months.
This is from a product a decade old. In my opinion, this makes whoever dated Hunter's Blades in 1368 completely wrong. Since RAS doesn't write dates in his works, the fault is probably someone at WotC, but at the moment that's beside the point.
Keeping in mind that Felbarr won't have an army large enough to do what it does in HB until the middle of 1370, I'd say that puts a lower limit on when the events could take place. Personally, I'd prefer 1372 or 1373 to give the dwarves more time to get comfortable. But what this does for everyone's placement in the Silver Marches (or its existence) is beyond me. |
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Paj
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Posted - 28 Sep 2006 : 13:06:21
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In the trilogy Obould commands tens of thousands of orcs, the last such big ass horde was seen when Black Arrow keep was besieged by orcs, won the day only to be defeated by Emerus Warcrown's fresh dwarves.
Dont forget though, that Oubold coerced the hundreds of tribes that lived underground in the mountains to join his crusade. The horde he commands isnt solely based around HIS forces, rather it is the Army of Dark Arrows plus the orcs from the hundreds/thousands of tribes who joined him during the course of the book.
I doubt that the events in the trilogy would have taken place in 1373 because of the mayhem rampaging Dragons would have caused. 1374 and up doesnt sound right as well, especially because of the threat of the Fey'ri in the Last Mythal trilogy somewhere between 1370-1372 sounds abouit right to me, I used 1371 for my campaign.
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George Krashos
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 01:25:23
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| But wouldn't that push back the founding of the Silver Marches yet again? I thought they were (now) officially founded in 1371 DR. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 03:09:13
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My take on this is relatively straightforward - but there is definitely a conflict in the sources. Alustriel stands down as ruler of Silverymoon in 1369 DR and begins efforts to create the confederation of northern settlements which is initially touted as Luruar. Only in 1371 DR are the Silver Marches officially confirmed as "the Silver Marches" even though they've been operating as a loose group of allied states since Alustriel makes her first overtures in 1369 DR. So basically we can say that in reality, the Silver Marches have existed in the form they did ever since 1369 DR, but that this situation was only made 'official' in 1371 DR.
And you can have this 'official' event occur in the very first days of 1371 DR, with the events of the novel trilogy happening later in the year.
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Wooly Rupert
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Brian R. James
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 05:08:05
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| The “Afterward” in the Legend of Drizzt edition of The Crystal Shard sets the Hunter's Blades Trilogy in 1370 DR, with The Two Swords ending in early 1371 DR. I like this date as it suggests the founding of the League of the Silver Marches was in part a response to the threat Obould and the Kingdom of Dark Arrows now poses to the region. This would also allow King Bruenor to sign the Articles of Confederation. If the Hunter’s Blades Trilogy were set after the Silver Marches were founded, then Gandalug would have still been king of Mithral Hall. |
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Reefy
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Posted - 29 Sep 2006 : 21:24:40
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
The �Afterward� in the Legend of Drizzt edition of The Crystal Shard sets the Hunter's Blades Trilogy in 1370 DR, with The Two Swords ending in early 1371 DR. I like this date as it suggests the founding of the League of the Silver Marches was in part a response to the threat Obould and the Kingdom of Dark Arrows now poses to the region. This would also allow King Bruenor to sign the Articles of Confederation. If the Hunter�s Blades Trilogy were set after the Silver Marches were founded, then Gandalug would have still been king of Mithral Hall.
Makes sense to me, and I bow to your timeline wizardry, Brian. |
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George Krashos
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Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 06:35:51
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If there's a set written date, then all the better. And I like Brian's idea re the events of the trilogy being the catalyst for the final coming together of the Silver Marches. Good stuff!
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Kuje
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Posted - 30 Sep 2006 : 06:41:27
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Originally posted by Brian R. James
The “Afterward” in the Legend of Drizzt edition of The Crystal Shard sets the Hunter's Blades Trilogy in 1370 DR, with The Two Swords ending in early 1371 DR. I like this date as it suggests the founding of the League of the Silver Marches was in part a response to the threat Obould and the Kingdom of Dark Arrows now poses to the region. This would also allow King Bruenor to sign the Articles of Confederation. If the Hunter’s Blades Trilogy were set after the Silver Marches were founded, then Gandalug would have still been king of Mithral Hall.
This is kinda further backed up by Silver Marches because it lists the founding as 1371. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Oct 2006 : 16:21:20
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Did take me some time to think on the subject...I am still not really satisfied.
If 1371DR is the founding date of the silver marches (and Luruar was already around in 1370), much of the sourcebook has been invalidated by Hunter's Blade. If some of the info in MotM was kinda useless with the end of Last Mythal, what does Hunter's Blade do to the Silver Marches supplement, especially since the area north of Mithral Hall is kinda orcish now... |
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BEAST
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Jan 2010 : 10:24:57
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There have been many scrolls dealing with the confusing history of the formation of the Silver Marches and "The Hunter's Blades Trilogy". I figured this one would do as well as any other for resurrection.
As some of you know, I have been attempting to rectify inconsistencies between WOTC's official dates for RAS's Drizzt books and the time clues given within the books and short stories, themselves. In my efforts, I have come across long-past, indirect references to the problems between the sourcebook Silver Marches & "THBT", but I have never heard anyone explain it to me, real-time.
While WOTC apparently dates "THBT" as taking place over the course of 1370 and 1371 DR, I don't understand this. The time clues within the individual books of "THBT" make it clear that the story takes place all within a single year: The Thousand Orcs in spring, The Lone Drow in the summer, and The Two Swords in the autumn. The events in the books are all described as taking place one right after the other. So I do not understand the official decision to spread these books out over the course of multiple years.
Also, as the SM sourcebook says that the League of Silver Marches was formed in 1371 DR, and both of the novels TLD and TTS cite the Silver Marches as already existing, it would seem that both TLD and TTS must take place wholly in 1371 DR. The official dates of 1370 through 1371 DR do not add up.
With both TLD and TTS taking place in 1371 DR, and with the events in TTO taking place immediately prior, I see no reason for TTO to be envisioned as taking place in a different year. TTO should be dated in spring of the same year: 1371 DR.
Thus, George Krashos's idea (above) that the entire mini-series of "THBT" could be envisioned as taking place in one year--1371 DR--makes complete sense to me.
As the Silver Marches are mentioned as being in existence in both TLD and TTS, but the process of formation of the League is not, it would seem that the actual signatory for Mithral Hall to the League would have had to have been Bruenor's predecessor, Gandalug Battlehammer, rather than Bruenor, himself. Bruenor was not even in the region of Mithral Hall during TTO, but rather was enroute from Icewind Dale to Mithral Hall during that novel. Bruenor actually had not been in the region of Mithral Hall since shortly after the Time of Troubles, according to the novel Passage to Dawn.
But I don't see this as a major problem. While there are a lot of minor inconsistencies between the sourcebook and long-established lore in RAS's pre-existing novels, none of them appear to have much bearing on the chronological issue, here.
So, other than the identity of the Mithral Hall personality involved in the initial formation of the Silver Marches, are there any other problems that would preclude a time placement of the entire mini-series within the year 1371 DR?
Has the time of the formation of the Silver Marches ever pinned down to a particular season or month in the year 1371 DR? |
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questing gm
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Posted - 18 Mar 2010 : 18:18:11
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Bumped for great justice to see if any scribes are willing to take up this interesting discussion.
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Jakk
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Posted - 20 Mar 2010 : 02:24:00
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I've not read the trilogy yet (I've needed to read about characters other than Drizzt since the Dark Elf Trilogy far too many years ago), but I suspect it will happen soon... if only to investigate this timeline uncertainty for myself. What I'd love to have is a timeline of the major events in *all* Realms novels (particularly those that lack dates in the text as chapter headings, etc.). I've seen a few around, but they are either very outdated or specific to the works of one or two authors, or both.
My view is (and I'm not attacking anybody here, least of all the authors) a shared world with an established timeline should require dates (not necessarily day-specific, but certainly at least season or month-specific) indicated in/as chapter subtitles. The absence of this requirement is what led (indirectly) to the Spellplague (instead of to the exploration of Anchorome, Katashaka, or Osse, which would have made me far more interested in current novels).
I'm interested to know if anyone has an answer to the final question in BEAST's most recent post in this scroll... a more specific founding date for the Silver Marches (which has always been formally known as Luruar since its formal establishment in my campaign, which also ignores nearly all canon post-1373 as well as some earlier canon that I found... inconvenient). |
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BEAST
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Posted - 20 Mar 2010 : 07:28:53
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| IMO, it works best to have King Gandalug sign the Treaty of the Silver Marches in winter, early 1371 DR, while Bruenor and co. were still a long way away from Mithral Hall at the end of the novel Sea of Swords. The gang then heads toward the Hall in The Thousand Orcs in the spring, and arrive in the summer in The Lone Drow. |
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Jakk
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Posted - 20 Mar 2010 : 18:05:43
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That works for me, based on what's already been said in this scroll. As already mentioned, I'm playing fast and loose with canon where it gets in my way, but I want to keep things consistent all the same. That's probably why the final form of my Spellplague revision is taking so long...  |
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creyzi4zb12
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Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 02:36:26
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| What if it all happened at 1371? Suppose the time gap was almost an entire year/11 months maybe = the time gap between Silver marches creation and Obould's campaign and establishment of Dark Arrow keep. I mean 1371 isn't just one day. XD |
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BEAST
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Posted - 21 Mar 2010 : 03:13:26
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What if it all happened at 1371? Suppose the time gap was almost an entire year/11 months maybe = the time gap between Silver marches creation and Obould's campaign and establishment of Dark Arrow keep. I mean 1371 isn't just one day. XD
Well, The Thousand Orcs shows that Obould began his campaign in the spring.
The Lone Drow takes place in the immediately following summer, and the elf Tarathiel mentions the Silver Marches as already being in existence.
I'm thinking the treaty had to have been signed earlier that year.
The novel Sea of Swords ends during that spring, with news that King Gandalug has just died. (This is what spurs Bruenor to leave Icewind Dale and return to Mithral Hall in "The Hunter's Blades Trilogy".) I'm thinking that King Gandalug must've signed the treaty that winter, just before he died in the spring.
And so, since Obould's campaign began in the immediately following spring, then that means we're only looking at a few months' worth of a time gap between the signing of the treaty and the rise of Obould. |
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Silver Marches, 1k Orcs, what the bloody hell???
