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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Kalin Agrivar
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 03:06:02
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Neither did I.
I was expecting another Eric-based interpretation for the status of Orcus -- which would've suited me just fine.
Though, I think I prefer this now. 
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 03:28:28
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As a physics student, I'll just say that I'm going to wait another few months/years for the next declaration. ;)
Those silly astrophysicists need to make up their minds! |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 03:46:07
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I agree. I don't think I can call myself "pro-pluton" right now. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 04:24:55
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| It's like the whole "the panda is a bear, wait, raccoon, wait, bear, wait, raccoon, wait, bear!" debate. :) |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 13:44:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
Neither did I.
I was expecting another Eric-based interpretation for the status of Orcus -- which would've suited me just fine.
Though, I think I prefer this now.
Neither did I, too.
But maybe that is the origin of that old saying, "May Orcus fall upon thy heads!"
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 14:11:30
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We now can send someone to Orcus!
I wonder if the guy who named the planet(oid?) had too much BoVD to read while he was in the bathroom, it might have been inspirational... |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 15:05:35
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| Orcus in Spelljammer!!! |
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Kalin Agrivar
Senior Scribe
Canada
956 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 15:14:36
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I don't know...I think Orcus is more of a respectable name than Xena   |
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Bakra
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 15:22:08
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*Detective Frank Drebin voice*
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I hope Candlekeep continues to be the friendly forum of fellow Realms-lovers that it has always been, as we all go through this together. If you don’t want to move to the “new” Realms, that doesn’t mean there’s anything wrong with either you or the “old” Realms. Goodness knows Candlekeep, and the hearts of its scribes, are both big enough to accommodate both. If we want them to be.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 16:51:42
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| You know... Back when I was still on the WotC boards, there was a guy who kept starting "Orcus rules!" threads every couple of months. I'm betting he's loving the idea of a planet named Orcus. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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1103 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 17:05:43
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Hehe. I remember that guy.
Annoying, he was. And heck, I like Orcus. ;) |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Aug 2006 : 20:26:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You know... Back when I was still on the WotC boards, there was a guy who kept starting "Orcus rules!" threads every couple of months. I'm betting he's loving the idea of a planet named Orcus.
Nightfall. :) He's still on my AIM list. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Aes Tryl
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 17:47:25
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LOl lo and behold the Dark Lord of Terror from the Abyss the great Orcus. . .
Orcus: bark. . .bark. . |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 22:36:26
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Retcon astrology, hurry!
... Sorry to any out there who follow it. I'm a bad, bad atheist. |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 03:15:43
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Originally posted by GothicDan
Retcon astrology, hurry!
... Sorry to any out there who follow it. I'm a bad, bad atheist.
I can't believe they are willing to retcon astronomy though. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 03:36:04
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| You can't really retcon science. Things were never 'always like this.' It's just that we change our definitions of things or learn new things, or both. :) |
Planescape Fanatic
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 04:01:15
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Originally posted by GothicDan
You can't really retcon science. Things were never 'always like this.' It's just that we change our definitions of things or learn new things, or both. :)
That's what I mean...what's the rationale behind changing the definition of "planet"? |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 04:03:24
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| Hmmmm, wonder if there's any ghouls running around on it? |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 04:59:47
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That's what I mean...what's the rationale behind changing the definition of "planet"?
No clue. I wouldn't have done it. But, they're astrophysicists, so what do you expect? ;) |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 13:42:36
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by GothicDan
You can't really retcon science. Things were never 'always like this.' It's just that we change our definitions of things or learn new things, or both. :)
That's what I mean...what's the rationale behind changing the definition of "planet"?
If I understand correctly, the reason for "changing" the definition of a "planet" is that there is no precise definition of a "planet." In other words, if Pluto qualified, then "Xena" (which is bigger than Pluto) and possibly 50 other Kuiper belt objects (most of which are believed to exist but have not yet been found) also qualified.
I believe the majority of astronomers wanted to come up with a definition by which the "classical" planets (including Pluto) still qualified but did not result in 50+ planets.
The solution is to define anything that is round (which implies a certain diameter) and primarily orbits the sun (i.e. not a moon) as a planet. Those of size Pluto or smaller are a subgroup of planets known as "plutons". Pluto, Charon, "Xena", and Ceres meet this criteria, but many additional plutons are suspected to exist.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 17:35:16
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
The solution is to define anything that is round (which implies a certain diameter) and primarily orbits the sun (i.e. not a moon) as a planet. Those of size Pluto or smaller are a subgroup of planets known as "plutons". Pluto, Charon, "Xena", and Ceres meet this criteria, but many additional plutons are suspected to exist.
--Eric
That definition works for me -- especially if a diameter is specified. Round and orbiting the sun, instead of something else, should be a given. I don't see why astrologers are having a hard time coming up with a definition like this. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 18:02:22
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You mean astronomers* Wooly? ;)
(Here to be a pain!)
* If you don't, then I'll have to have a conversation with these astrologers as to who's doing the defining around here... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 19:03:41
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Originally posted by GothicDan
You mean astronomers* Wooly? ;)
(Here to be a pain!)
* If you don't, then I'll have to have a conversation with these astrologers as to who's doing the defining around here...
Yeah, them too! 
But speaking of astrologers (inadvertent though it may be), won't adding more planets screw with how they do things? Or do they just go by the visibile ones? |
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Edited by - Wooly Rupert on 19 Aug 2006 19:04:40 |
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Kiaransalyn
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 19:13:55
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
But speaking of astrologers (inadvertent though it may be), won't adding more planets screw with how they do things? Or do they just go by the visibile ones?
That was my question too. 
I'm sure they'll wait for the final decision then take it from there. After all, they now take into account the movements of Pluto when compiling horoscopes. |
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 19:22:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That definition works for me -- especially if a diameter is specified. Round and orbiting the sun, instead of something else, should be a given.
The diameter requirement is implicit. Apparently you have to have a sufficient mass to create a spherical object. Given that most planets are composed of rock and water, a sufficient diameter implies sufficient mass to be a spherical object. Something like that. The number 429 miles sticks in my head, but I might be wrong there.
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The real status of Orcus
