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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 22:10:04
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Hello fellow scribes,
I wrote a long winded post on WOTC's boards inspired by the comments of such luminaries as Ed and Eric Boyd, about what I wanted as a Forgotten Realms consumer, in as reasoned tones as I could muster, since we were assured that the boards are monitored for fan reactions.
I never expected the support that I got, and I thank all of my fellow scribes from here at Candlekeep for chiming in. Now that I have seen that there were some people willing to chime in and agree with my initial post though, I'm a bit greedy and wanted to keep it going. The thread has stalled out around two pages, and I don't want it to disappear without it having a bit more visibility, and I fear that the same posters bumping it with cause it to be more easily dismissed. So if you are inclined to take a peek, here is the thread, and if you agree, chime in, and let WOTC know, and hey, if you don't, give your own well thought out opinions of the subject.
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=685115
Now, I have also posted a request at Paizo regarding FR articles, which has received far less attention. I know there are a lot of Realms fans that read Dungeon and Dragon Magazine, but I think Paizo's boards tend to be somewhat daunting to Realms fans given the fact that the Greyhawk and Eberron fans there have a tendancy to throw out every FR cliche whenever the setting is mentioned. I'll post my Paizo thread here as well, and if you agree, chime in, and if not, hey, throw in your own ideas as well.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/dragon/articleRequests/forgottenRealmsArticlesSomeSpecificRequests
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 22:22:23
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Jared,
I wasn't surprised by the support you got, and of course I agree with you (except the crazy talk about putting the Heartlands in one book). I'll try and post something helpful there.
I've also enjoyed some of your recent creative posts; sorry I didn't take the time to let you know. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 15 Aug 2006 : 22:30:09
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| Thanks for the comments on both fronts Faraer, I really appreciate it. I actually agree that the Western Heartlands, Cormyr, and the Dalelands could each easily comprise their own sourcebooks, but a) I didn't want to make TOO many demands and b) I was on a roll, and heck, even one big Heartlands sourcbook would be better than a handful of paragraphs in a "mega adventure," though as we have mentioned before, several Realms designers can do a lot with lore thrown into an adventure. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 00:55:52
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a. We don't need any more ancient evils that no one remembers. We also don't need any ancient forms of magic that everyone managed to forget about. We don't need alternate planes invading Toril. If we have to have "RSE" events, why not have more like the Threat from the Sea, where its more a matter of something that is important, but not particularly "out of the blue." Orc hordes and rampaging dragons may seem mundane, but if they are allowed to do what they have done in the past, at times they could do more to change regions of the Realms than extraplanar maurauders. And it would be more consistant with previous things we know about the Realms.
Thank you! I am SO tired of these old, ancient evils coming back out of the blue, and I'm not the only person who feels this way. |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 02:05:17
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| Having previously thrown my hand in at WOTC, I've now done the same at Paizo. |
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hammer of Moradin
Senior Scribe
USA
758 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 04:43:30
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You'll never guess what my post dealt with! |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 05:12:31
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Argh! I so want to go over there and comment on this! The thing is, if I did that, I'd be breaking my oath not to return to those forums until they apologize for wrongfully banning me! I don't know what to do...  |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 05:37:55
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*Pats Wooly.*
.. Incognito? *Cough* |
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 05:54:27
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I saw this yesterday KnightErrandJR, great initiative. The response on Wizards boards surprised me a little bit in the pleasant sense; I had expected some dissent among the posters there.
Maybe there is some hope after all. |
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Sanishiver
Senior Scribe
USA
476 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 06:26:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't know what to do...
Get over your hurt feelings, apologize to them and ask for forgiveness.
You never know.
J. Grenemyer |
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9/9/2006: Dave Mathews Band was off the hook at the Shoreline Amphitheater.
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 07:34:34
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| Woollly, I'll forward your comments if you like. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 07:43:05
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quote:
Originally posted by Sanishiver
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't know what to do...
Get over your hurt feelings, apologize to them and ask for forgiveness.
You never know.
J. Grenemyer
As I understand it, Wooly got banned for no particular reason. Why should he need to apologize? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 07:44:35
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Originally posted by Winterfox
As I understand it, Wooly got banned for no particular reason. Why should he need to apologize?
That's what I was wondering. If I was him, I'd ask them to apologize to him, not the other way around. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
3308 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 07:49:42
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| In any case, whichever WizO did it, if they're still there, has probably forgotten about it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 11:23:27
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Originally posted by Sanishiver
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I don't know what to do...
Get over your hurt feelings, apologize to them and ask for forgiveness.
You never know.
J. Grenemyer
Ask for forgiveness from someone who not only banned me without reason, but who couldn't even tell me why, despite trying to run it down twice? Ask for forgiveness for not being allowed to help people, like I do over here? Ask for forgiveness for having hundreds of useful posts ignored in a knee-jerk reaction? I think not, on all counts. *I* am owed the apology, not the other way around.
And that's enough on that topic. This is not the place to discuss it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 11:25:36
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Originally posted by Faraer
Woollly, I'll forward your comments if you like.
Thanks for the offer, but it's taken care of. It kinda pained me to do so, but I used the other login I had. I created one right after I was banned, before I knew what was going on. It's only the second post I've made with that account; I'd not even logged in with it in over a year.
So my comments are made, and I can go back to ignoring that forum. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2006 : 15:46:45
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| Sorry to tempt you into breaking your vow Wooly, but I appreciate the support. |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Conlon
Learned Scribe
Canada
132 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 04:44:57
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| Knight Errant, you have my sword AND my bow! I have added my name on the Wizards site under your excellent plea for Realms justice. |
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EytanBernstein
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 09:59:47
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Now, I have also posted a request at Paizo regarding FR articles, which has received far less attention. I know there are a lot of Realms fans that read Dungeon and Dragon Magazine, but I think Paizo's boards tend to be somewhat daunting to Realms fans given the fact that the Greyhawk and Eberron fans there have a tendancy to throw out every FR cliche whenever the setting is mentioned. I'll post my Paizo thread here as well, and if you agree, chime in, and if not, hey, throw in your own ideas as well.
http://paizo.com/paizo/messageboards/dragon/articleRequests/forgottenRealmsArticlesSomeSpecificRequests
Don't assume that the fact that they haven't openly acknowledged your requests means that the people at Paizo haven't paid attention. My relatively brief time working with/for people from WOTC/Paizo has shown me that they are very aware of what happens on the boards, even when they are too busy to respond. |
http://eytanbernstein.com - the official website of Eytan Bernstein |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 15:36:23
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Oh, I understand Eytan, I have a great deal of respect for the staff at Paizo's magazines, its the rank and file posters I don't expect to jump on the "signatory" wagon as they did on WOTC's site.
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 15:41:36
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So far the response to your thread on the Wizards board is pretty well supportive, KEJ.
Let's hope they dig it. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 15:49:04
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Originally posted by Conlon
Knight Errant, you have my sword AND my bow! I have added my name on the Wizards site under your excellent plea for Realms justice.
...And my axe (sorry, I´m eager to talk this... ).
Anyway, the same goes to me. I´m adding myself in the Wizards boards only to give more suport to your thread.  |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 15:58:10
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Thanks everyone for the support, and from Rich says, it may be a worthwhile endevor, though the Volo's Guide comment (which I knew was a longshot) doesn't appear to EVER be in the cards again.
Definately keep chiming in, and take some time to read what Rich said. I get what is being said about the regional sourcebooks, but I definately want to make sure we have some input on the formats they try.
And if Rich reads this here, thanks.
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 17:10:28
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| I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here? |
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 17:38:11
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Three things:
1. Thank you to KEJr and Rhin. I agree with the whole "ancient Evils thing! I have not been on WoTC forum for months but will go on and check it out.
2. I can not imagine the big giant space hamster doing anything that would necessitate him getting banned! Down with mindless Tyrants!
3. Rats! I forget what the third thing was... *scratches head and hurries back into the shadows* |
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Reefy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
892 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 22:32:46
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Originally posted by Faraer
I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here?
No, you're not being thick. I don't know anyone who's looked at the Volo's Guides who hasn't been impressed with them. They're packed full of useful information for players and DMs alike. I too would be interested to know what the objection is. My thinking is that they might say it has little or no crossover potential (though I think you could easily steal 'Tavern A' and place it in your homebrew world, and heck, they might even convert a few people to the Realms). |
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
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Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 22:38:57
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How well did the original Volo Guides sell?
I know they are great assets for both players and GMs, but did they actually sell all that well? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36803 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2006 : 23:18:34
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Originally posted by Reefy
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Originally posted by Faraer
I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here?
No, you're not being thick. I don't know anyone who's looked at the Volo's Guides who hasn't been impressed with them. They're packed full of useful information for players and DMs alike. I too would be interested to know what the objection is. My thinking is that they might say it has little or no crossover potential (though I think you could easily steal 'Tavern A' and place it in your homebrew world, and heck, they might even convert a few people to the Realms).
Agreed. I was a fan of the setting before I got my hands on Volo's Guide to Waterdeep, but it was this book that made the City of Splendors come to life. And by making Waterdeep come to life, it breathed life into the rest of the setting. The almost-pure flavor of those books was unlike anything before or since. And it's a shame that they're not bringing them back, because bringing a setting to life like that is how you hook people and make sure they stay hooked. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 19 Aug 2006 : 02:26:27
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Originally posted by Faraer
I hope Richard does expand on the objection to Volo's Guides -- I'm not sure Wizards ever spelled out what it is. Dungeons wouldn't be more 'useful', they're DM only. Don't adventurers visit inns and taverns and buy equipment more often than they get involved with rulers and armies? Haven't the guides been more helpful for computer game designers than high-level overviews? Don't they convey the atmosphere of regions better than other sourcebooks? Am I being thick here?
No, I think you are right about this. I loved the Volo Guides. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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