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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 08:49:37
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Well Met
Ahem, looking through some of the latest scrolls and tomes within the library, I noticed a sudden influx of "me too" style entries and such. Please try to refrain from such writings as they are generally unnecessary and distracting.
Some of you Learned Scribes should know better too 
Ouch!  Who threw that?!? 
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Alaundo
Candlekeep Forums Head Moderator
Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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Bellua Aeneus Lacerta
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 20:57:13
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I noticed that too. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 21:52:48
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| Don't look at me! I always try to have my posts contain at least enough information to justify its existance. If someone thinks otherwise, please tell me. I didn't come here to be a bore. |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2003 : 09:14:55
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Don't look at me! I always try to have my posts contain at least enough information to justify its existance. If someone thinks otherwise, please tell me. I didn't come here to be a bore.
Me too 
Hey stop throwing things.
More seriously: As Bookwyrm, tell me, maybe i've let myself write such answers.
If yes... i'll try to correct that |
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Yasraena
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2003 : 09:41:31
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| I think my only faux pas so far has been to post certain comments that would be better off on another thread (the FR movie thread comes to mind). If I've posted stuff like this, I'm with Zemd, I'll try to be more careful in the future. |
"Nindyn vel'uss malar verin z'klaen tlu kyone ulu naut doera nindel vel'bolen nind malar."
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2003 : 11:15:35
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I was just thinking that define a "me too" post is quite difficult.
Sometimes we tease each others (aren't we Bookwyrm?) is that the problem? Furthermore, it's hard to stay on-topic, because speaking about something often leads us to different subjects.
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Winthrop
Acolyte
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Posted - 26 Mar 2003 : 13:07:56
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| "Hah, seems a cobbler passed through the library, some of the scribes are putting on the proverbial shoe that fits." Winthrop winks at the scribes gathered in Alaundo's office. "A 'me too post' is typically a post which contains only a handful of words and is a quick reaction on someone else's scroll. The good natured teasing is indeed an example, and the inn is there to do most of such ehm... activities if they are in character or else simple 'private e-scrolls' are a better way to communicate these teasings." |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2003 : 21:36:54
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| Ok, i'll try to restrain myself to reply on-the-run (but i think that even if i began often my topics with teasing i also often continued with valuable or at least interesting informations... no? ) |
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 20:09:18
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well Met
Ahem, looking through some of the latest scrolls and tomes within the library, I noticed a sudden influx of "me too" style entries and such. Please try to refrain from such writings as they are generally unnecessary and distracting.
Some of you Learned Scribes should know better too
Ouch! Who threw that?!?
In my humble opinion you do not need to "apologize" for making this post for there is no excuse for spamming. Especially not the amount of spamming which characterizes some of the "learned scribes" at the moment. In fact, I would have expected you to post this a lot earlier.
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"If others had not been foolish, we should be so."
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Edited by - Echon on 27 Mar 2003 20:09:58 |
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 20:12:11
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Don't look at me! I always try to have my posts contain at least enough information to justify its existance. If someone thinks otherwise, please tell me. I didn't come here to be a bore.
Consider yourself told, Bookwyrmling! Maybe you did not come here to be a bore but you certainly did not come here to write Realms related posts, either.
-Echon |
"If others had not been foolish, we should be so."
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 20:16:20
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Originally posted by zemd
Ok, i'll try to restrain myself to reply on-the-run (but i think that even if i began often my topics with teasing i also often continued with valuable or at least interesting informations... no? )
Calling it "teasing" does not make it any more relevant no matter how cute it might sound. It is a waste of time for those who visit this site and might discourage people returning. This does not apply to you only, I can think of a couple of others, as well.
As to your question, maybe the fact that you have gained more posts during the last month than you have during the four months preceding that might provide you with an answer.
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"If others had not been foolish, we should be so."
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 20:22:02
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Originally posted by zemd
Sometimes we tease each others (aren't we Bookwyrm?) is that the problem?
It certainly is.
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"If others had not been foolish, we should be so."
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 20:51:46
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And what about four posts in a raw in the same topic?
Calm down Echon, i was warned, it's ok. |
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 20:53:30
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Originally posted by zemd
And what about four posts in a raw in the same topic?
Calm down Echon, i was warned, it's ok.
That was four replies to four different posts.
-Echon |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:00:55
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Originally posted by Echon
quote:
Originally posted by zemd
And what about four posts in a raw in the same topic?
Calm down Echon, i was warned, it's ok.
That was four replies to four different posts.
-Echon
You could have done that in one.
Example
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Originally posted by Echon
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Originally posted by zemd
Sometimes we tease each others (aren't we Bookwyrm?) is that the problem?
It certainly is.
-Echon
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Yasraena
Senior Scribe
USA
388 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:02:23
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Originally posted by Echon
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Originally posted by zemd
Ok, i'll try to restrain myself to reply on-the-run (but i think that even if i began often my topics with teasing i also often continued with valuable or at least interesting informations... no? )
Calling it "teasing" does not make it any more relevant no matter how cute it might sound. It is a waste of time for those who visit this site and might discourage people returning. This does not apply to you only, I can think of a couple of others, as well.
As to your question, maybe the fact that you have gained more posts during the last month than you have during the four months preceding that might provide you with an answer.
-Echon
Echon, come on man! Lighten up a bit huh? These forums are supposed to be fun, as well as informative, right? Everybody's an individual, and they should be able to respond in whatever form they choose, so long as it isn't mean or hurtful. Unlike your last few posts on this thread have been; and THOSE would discourage me from coming back here A LOT more than ANY of the posts that either Bookwrym or zemd have made. To me they were just downright rude.
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Elrond Half Elven
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
322 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:03:05
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Surely there would be aboslute no trouble Zemd and Bookie teasing each other if it was at the end of each post. So therefore they would be giving their input to the post but also they would be able to have their jest. Personally IMHO i don't find Zemd and Bookwyrms jests at all annoying, i think they 'liven' the place up slightly (Not that candlekeep is a boring place) & I would BEG of Alaundo to let them Post their jests at the end of their posts. And on the subject of "Me too" posts we have all done it at one point havent we? And one or two every so often doesnt hurt.
Lets see less of the "me too" posts but lets also hope to see Zemd and Bookeis Humor continue!
Hanx
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Once upon a midnight dreary, while i pondered, weak and weary,
Over many a quaint and curious volume of forgotten lore-
While i nodded, nearly napping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at my chamber door.
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:04:55
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Originally posted by zemd
You could have done that in one.
That seems to be besides the point of this discussion, if you ask me. Alaundo made a comment about the contents of the posts.
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"If others had not been foolish, we should be so."
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:11:42
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Originally posted by Yasraena
Echon, come on man! Lighten up a bit huh? These forums are supposed to be fun, as well as informative, right?
Exactly.
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Everybody's an individual, and they should be able to respond in whatever form they choose, so long as it isn't mean or hurtful.
How about relevant?
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Unlike your last few posts on this thread have been; and THOSE would discourage me from coming back here A LOT more than ANY of the posts that either Bookwyrm or zemd have made. To me they were just downright rude.
Rude? Bookwyrm encouraged people who disagree with him to say so and I did. Zemd put forth questions and I replied.
-Echon |
"If others had not been foolish, we should be so."
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
422 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:15:30
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Originally posted by Elrond Half Elven
Surely there would be aboslute no trouble Zemd and Bookie teasing each other if it was at the end of each post. So therefore they would be giving their input to the post but also they would be able to have their jest. Personally IMHO i don't find Zemd and Bookwyrms jests at all annoying, i think they 'liven' the place up slightly (Not that candlekeep is a boring place) & I would BEG of Alaundo to let them Post their jests at the end of their posts. And on the subject of "Me too" posts we have all done it at one point havent we? And one or two every so often doesnt hurt.
Lets see less of the "me too" posts but lets also hope to see Zemd and Bookeis Humor continue!
Hanx
Elrond
At the end of posts? There are so many posts which contain nothing but this. Besides, as Alaundo often has pointed, this was why they decided to create the Inn.
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
444 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:18:14
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Originally posted by Echon
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Originally posted by zemd
And what about four posts in a raw in the same topic?
Calm down Echon, i was warned, it's ok.
That was four replies to four different posts.
-Echon
I hadn't been notified that there was a change in the moderation of this forum, Echon. Congratulations on your ever so unannounced promotion. 
All kidding aside, beating on an already chastened scribe is only a further useless cluttering of the forum. Something you just complained about.
Not to mention promoting ill will here, something that none of us wants.
If someone newly joined the forum and found your post berating well meaning and actually very helpful scribes, Echon, do you think they would dare to post after the tongue lashing you are dishing out here?
I mean for Oghma's sake man, I will think twice before posting while you are around!
zemd is one of the "core" scribes and helps everyone who needs anything usually quicker than anybody.
Bookwyrm is quickly becoming a core scribe here and has contributed greatly as well.
OK, so they got off track. Alaundo straightened them out nicely and kindly.
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Yasraena
Senior Scribe
USA
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Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:26:01
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Point taken, Alaundo and Winthrop. Personally, I don't find them distracting. Unnecessary maybe, but not distracting. Some are even funny. Anyway, my point is, I personally don't think that this is a problem on the forums. I've only been here for about a week now, so maybe my ignorance of how forums work is talking here  , but I just don't see the bad side. Once it gets out of hand, then yeah. I didn't come here to just read the BS that people want to do say each other, but when it's in moderation, as I think it has been, then no big deal.
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"Nindyn vel'uss malar verin z'klaen tlu kyone ulu naut doera nindel vel'bolen nind malar."
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 21:26:36
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Originally posted by Artalis
I hadn't been notified that there was a change in the moderation of this forum, Echon. Congratulations on your ever so unannounced promotion.
Neither I had.
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All kidding aside, beating on an already chastened scribe is only a further useless cluttering of the forum. Something you just complained about.
Apparently it did not sink in the first time.
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If someone newly joined the forum and found your post berating well meaning and actually very helpful scribes, Echon, do you think they would dare to post after the tongue lashing you are dishing out here?
Well, off-topic is fine by me to a certain extend but it is worse than ever, in my opinion. It takes forever to read through threads nowadays.
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I mean for Oghma's sake man, I will think twice before posting while you are around!
I am not.
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You can put your sledgehammer away and stop being obtuse.
I am voicing my opinion, just like you are. Besides, you can stop trying to tell me what to do.
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"If others had not been foolish, we should be so."
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
444 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 02:42:33
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I agree with Yasraena. I do not find them to be a problem perhaps less than productive some times, but not really a problem.
It's your forum guys, if you say no off topic, then fine no off topic.
I also must confess to a bit of irritation as I watched certain members postcount climb into the "learned scribe" category rather quickly (jealousy no doubt). Even though I have the greatest respect for the scribes in question...
I do remember how it felt when certain members of the forum, criticized myself and another scribe for roleplaying on the boards for an extended period of time. I was upset, embarrassed and hurt (obviously I got over it).
I suppose that keeping things on topic is important to protect the integrity of the content. But there is the "fun" index too to consider. Just a thought. |
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Yasraena
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 05:39:24
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As Artalis said, it's our forum. I'm all for keeping on topic, but don't start dictating some rigid rules on what we can or can't say. Not having webmaster Simon Legree breathing down our necks the minute we get off topic is one of the things I really like about this place. If that DOES happen, I'll probably just cancel my account here. Just rememebr to act like adults, keep the off-topic stuff to a moderate level, and it'll ALL be good!  |
"Nindyn vel'uss malar verin z'klaen tlu kyone ulu naut doera nindel vel'bolen nind malar."
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Echon
Senior Scribe
Denmark
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Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 08:05:32
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Looking back at my posts it really does strike me as odd that I even bothered to get involved in this discussion when I had already decided to leave the forum. Although I normally stand by what I say, I regret coming back here and posting at all. I hereby apologize to those who might have taken offense from what I said, I am sure there are a couple of those. This is quite likely my last post at this forum so bye now and happy posting. 
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 08:29:33
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Echon, I did ask people to tell me. I did not ask for you to be rude. Thank you for your opinion, but don't take a holier-than-thou attitude.
Now here's something I also find annoying. I hate it when people post topics right in a row, when they could condense them into one topic. Unless something has changed since posting (such as someone else having posted while you were composing that post), then any "Oh, wait, I forgot this" additions can be put in with the Edit Post option.
I include your posts here in that as well. You just chastized Zemd for unnecesseary posts over the last month. Well, what about the padding you just did here?
I also do not appreciate your attack on my character. I did come here to make Realms-related posts. Yes, I make non-FR references, but the only reason mine are more noticable than those of others -- of which there are many, yourself included -- is because I deliberately draw attention to them. This is an implicit appology, and while Alaundo has responded with banter, he has not slapped me down for it.
You also say that I am a bore. Well, you are being one yourself on this thread. I don't want to be mean. I am angry, however.
Also, do not call me "Bookwyrmling." Just because my brother called me that doesn't mean I like it. I find it very insulting, especially in the tone you used it.
As to the "point" of this discussion, it is to avoid unnecessary posts. As others have mentioned, your recent posts are against the spirit of this forum.
Honestly, what's gotten into you? You used to be a lot more fun.
Just so everyone (including Artalis) knows, I refrain from excess posts simply to pad my post count. As I said, I try to make my posts justify themselves for their existance, whether through information or humor. As stated by others, the object of this forum is to have fun. Too much seriousness is the real bore. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 08:37:39
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My last post took a long time to write. So long, in fact, that I did not see Echon's last post. I don't wish to say that he is of the same vein, but he is reminding me more and more of Exilion. Our last memories of him were also not so sweet.
Goodbye, Echon. It was fun, at least before. |
Hell hath no fury like all of Candlekeep rising in defense of one of its own.
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 10:40:35
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::walks into the room after hearing the commotion from down the corridor and steps in to glare around the room::
Well Met, Scribes
Now now, I think we are all aware of the issue I mentioned earlier, and that said, lets get on with our studies.
Please try to walk away from your desk if you feel angered before you write, then maybe you'll feel much calmer and discussions wont become so heated in future.
We should all be able to get along together and 99% of the time I feel that this is a very happy community within Candlekeep and a pleasant place to be, lets try to keep it that way.
Idle banter is fine, and as a scribe mentioned earlier (I cant remember who it was exactly), so long as its tagged on to a relevant reply then ill let it pass. The only problem arises when numerous scrolls begin to pile up which are totally off-topic and contain just banter between a couple of scribes or more.
Sorry to see you go Echon, you were a highly respected and valuable scribe to Candlekeep. I for one will be sad to see you leave.
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Alaundo
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Candlekeep - The Library of Forgotten Realms Lore
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 13:07:51
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::looking thoughtful and sad::
Sorry to see you going Echon, I consider you still as a valuable addition to the forum.
I had to follow Alaundo's advice when reading through this topic, and first went to read the other new posts. Coming back to this thread after that, I have to say that it does help form a clearer picture.
I think something all scribes need to remember (and yes I include myself in this as well) is that on this forum we're missing one of the most essential parts of communication:
Non-verbal communication, facial expression, gestures, pose.
And also the intonation of the verbal part. The emoticons help a little in conveying a jest or such, but the pictures aren't always appropriate or clear. This makes it easy for people to misunderstand each other. A fact more complicated seeing that there are a lot of scribes who are not native English speakers.
This forum is a great and fun place, and I return here almost daily to enjoy one of the facets of a great hobby. Like Echon, I felt that recently the number of posts has gone up greatly, but not necessarily the quality. That's why Winthrop's reaction was posted above. This is not to say that my enjoyment of the forum has gone down, just a little disappointed in what was being written.
The good natured teasing/bantering/jesting makes the place indeed a little livelier, but it shouldn't be overdone either and - personal preference - not as the only contents of a post and not all over the place in various threads.
Echon, I hope you reconsider your decision to depart. I would like to see more of your vision on the Realms.
Okay, let's bury the hatchet, douse the flames, hoist the tankards and get those quills scribbling over the parchment again. There is still a lot to be written about the Realms and there are too many empty shelves yet which should be filled with shared Realms knowledge. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
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Posted - 29 Mar 2003 : 03:48:57
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I agree. I'd like to offer a blanket appology to all. In the past, I have stopped runs of these banter-only posts upon request. If no one complains, I assume everyone either doesn't mind or instead is suitably amused -- something I always try to do.
I'm no real humorist, but if I go a day without making someone smile, I consider it wasted. If the case is otherwise, tell me, and I will stop, at least with that subject. I can't promise to shut up for ever, but I will stop for a while.
Thank you, all, for your kind words and/or insight. Even Echon. I don't want him to be the next Exilion. |
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