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FridayThe13th
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 Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 03:47:35
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Well, as of version 3.0 FR officially has its own cosmology.
From what I have heard the new Great Tree cosmology is not in any way shape or form related to the core/greyhawk Great Wheel Pantheon. Therefore Sigil supposedly dosen't exsist either.
But there are just too many connections between FR and Greyhawk to be denied.
1. Khelben Arusun's own grandson LIVES in the Free City of Greyhawk.
2.Most of the planes are the same and the only major difference is the addition of the Godly planes(ex. Barrens of Doom and Despair) in FR and the nonexsistance of Limbo.
3. Cosmic Entities are the same: Demogorgon, Asmodeus, Graz'zt, Orcus, Big M, you name it. Although they are "supposedly" different entities.
I just wanna know the truth, are FR and Greyhawk still linked? I would be very grateful for some help.
p.S: I found this link on the Wizards Forums that had a post by Richard Baken saying that Sigil exsists in Toril cosmology http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=129535
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 04:03:40
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First off, all the prime material planes should be able to connect through the Plane of Shadows.
Without getting into the cosmology issue, there has not been any official pronouncement that Greyhawk and Toril have had not contact, or any retcons to that effect. In fact, Eric Mona, Publisher of Dungeon and Dragon Magazine, and one of the authors of the Fiendish Codex, has pretty well said he considers them still connected, and he is about the biggest Greyhawk geek going, probably the most official Greyhawk voice going right now.
On the other hand, Cam Banks has said that DragonLance has never, ever, ever, been connected to any other world according to current DragonLance "canon." Go figure. |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 04:35:26
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
First off, all the prime material planes should be able to connect through the Plane of Shadows.
Without getting into the cosmology issue, there has not been any official pronouncement that Greyhawk and Toril have had not contact, or any retcons to that effect. In fact, Eric Mona, Publisher of Dungeon and Dragon Magazine, and one of the authors of the Fiendish Codex, has pretty well said he considers them still connected, and he is about the biggest Greyhawk geek going, probably the most official Greyhawk voice going right now.
On the other hand, Cam Banks has said that DragonLance has never, ever, ever, been connected to any other world according to current DragonLance "canon." Go figure.
Ya, I brought up the subject of inersetting travel at the DL forums as well and they dubbed it as bogus.
According to 3rd edition, The three outer planes of DL:Dome of Creation, Hidden Vale, and The Abyss from kind of an anti-Planar barrier around Krynn which prevents any form of Planar travel to the setting.
Dark Sun also has something like that surrounding it as well.
Which leaves Oerth. |
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"You guys should seriously rename yourselves The Horny Society, you popularity would soar."
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 05:12:45
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Sigil does exist since there is a portal to/from it in Faiths & Pantheons and Richard Baker has said that it's the same Sigil of the Wheel/Ring. The Infinite Staircase, which is mentioned in the Player's Guide, does the same thing. So does the Shadow Plane. Limbo exists as well since it's been mentioned in Serpent Kingdoms and a novel trilogy... Lisa's novel trilogy also mentions the Outlands.
Now, supposedly, the named beings of FR planes are seperate and different from those of Greyhawk but they share the same names. I.E there is a Corellon of FR and then a different and seperate Corellon of the Wheel/Ring.
I'll also point out Sages good FR planar changes found here:
http://www.candlekeep.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5109 |
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Edited by - Kuje on 16 Jul 2006 05:13:48 |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 05:19:16
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Firstly, FridayThe13th, take a look through the Forum Code of Conduct in my sig for a section on "Planar Changes" between editions and the state of things between settings now.
Secondly, the Sigil of the Great Wheel in 3e is the same Sigil in the FR's Great Tree cosmology. So it still exists for FR as well. The Abbey of the Sword reference in F&P on pg. 161 P3-Magic Portal -- notes a one-way portal from Sigil to Toril.
The barrier in Dark Sun is called The Gray. It didn't completely prevent planar travel, though it made it extremely difficult. |
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Edited by - The Sage on 16 Jul 2006 05:20:21 |
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FridayThe13th
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 16 Jul 2006 : 13:44:56
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| k, thanks for all your help. |
"The Lady of Pain? You mean Loviatar runs this place?"
-- Torilian Prime
"You guys should seriously rename yourselves The Horny Society, you popularity would soar."
-- A miscillaneous Kender to a member of the Horned Society
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Dragon Cultist
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 11:28:38
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Necro time again!
About the planar connections of Krynn: 3.X edition can retcon all they want, but I recall Dalamar's joining Elminster and Mordenkainen for refreshments and chats ("The Wizards Three" series of articles, by Ed Greenwood in Dragon Magazine). I say this makes it clear that plane-hopping archwizards, at least, COULD reach the Earth 1990's Prime Material Plane. IMHO this also makes it a near-certainty that had he wanted, Dalamar could have hopped to Toril just as easily. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 15:28:17
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Exactly two years! 
At first, I thought this was actually a new scroll. I didn't bother to check the year... looking only to the day and month instead. Until I realised that I'd previously replied to this scroll already. 
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Hawkins
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 16:30:26
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Posted - 16 Jul 2008 : 17:05:35
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Originally posted by The Sage
Exactly two years!
At first, I thought this was actually a new scroll. I didn't bother to check the year... looking only to the day and month instead. Until I realised that I'd previously replied to this scroll already.
Yeah, I was confused, too, until I noted the year.  |
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