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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 08:41:01
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I just need a little clarification on something. What happens to male DIVINE spell casters in Rashemen who are nonclerical? Are they locked up in the mountains with the others, or are druids allowed to roam the forests, join the army, etc.
How do Favored Souls fit into this dynamic? What happens here?
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 09:03:01
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| I don't think I've read anything about male divine casters being treated in any special way in Rashemen... |
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 14:21:07
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If there are actually any male druids in Rashemen, I would think they treat them similar to those female spellcasters, who do not chose to become witch of Rashemen (ethrans).
quote from UE:
They are left alone by the Witches to practivce their magic as they see fit, so long as they do not claim the priviliges and authority of a witch.
The question though is, if Rashemen actually would bring forth such a character, as the profession of a druid is by culture reserved for the women. Who would be teaching a male if there are only female around??
Another option of course, is to change the sex of each male who has such a talent/tendency. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:32:50
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| I don't see how the profession of a druid can be reserved for a woman. Deities call worthy divine spellcasters; it isn't taught like arcane magic. None of the female deities of the Realms who have Druids seem to have a woman-only policy in their clergy. |
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Edited by - GothicDan on 05 Jul 2006 20:33:24 |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:54:30
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My best guess would be Druids and Rangers can be male and not restricted from travel, they are not clergy. The Favored Souls appear to ne Cergy and subject to the same rules as Clerics in Rashemen.
Druids and Rangers are more concerned about nature then other divine spell casters, their focus is different. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 20:56:08
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Originally posted by Kentinal
My best guess would be Druids and Rangers can be male and not restricted from travel, they are not clergy. The Favored Souls appear to ne Cergy and subject to the same rules as Clerics in Rashemen.
Druids and Rangers are more concerned about nature then other divine spell casters, their focus is different.
Druid and rangers are clergy depending on which deity they worship but I agree, I see no reason why males would be excluded. For instance, Chauntea's clergy is made up more of druids (50%) then clerics (40%) and this is straight from Faiths & Avatars. Mielikki, who is one of the three main deities worshipped in Rasheman like Chauntea is, has rangers as members of her clergy and that is also straight from Faiths & Avatars. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 05 Jul 2006 21:16:39 |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 21:00:47
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And the various Specialty Priests of many of the gods are very much concerned with nature, as much as druids. Their focus on what aspect/s of nature, however, is different.
Remember, all a Druid is is a "Priest of a Specific Mythos" (2E PHB). |
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Edited by - GothicDan on 05 Jul 2006 21:01:19 |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
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Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 21:30:11
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I don't think there is any answer for this in Rashemen canon.
If I were to state my personal non-canonical opinion it would be that the Rashemen religious system were dominated by female priest. The gods that have specific Rashemen names are female and it is specified that these gods are the highest revered. Combined with the witches I think this would more or less give females a monopoly on mysticism's and magic. The witches also has strong bonds to nature and the lines between the druids and Witches in common peoples eyes could be somewhat blurred. As there are a few hints that the religious life of Rashemen is slightly different from the Heartlands, there could be a good deal of differences between the clergies.
All in all I think its up to how you see the land, but if I were to judge by the printed material, I would find a female clergy most logical. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 22:21:57
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The clergies of Chauntea, Mielikki, Selune, and Mystra do not favor females over males - not a single one of them. Females may be more attracted to the various religions, but the deities themselves have no preference. As these are the most influential divinities in the region, there's no reason that the clergy of Rashemen should be female-dominated.
Look into F&A - there's nothing anti-male about these religions. I don't think the Witches have so much hubris as to try to enforce their rule over the clerical orders at large, especially since many of them follow the above-stated gods, so they have to follow their dogmas as well or risk their deities' (or superiors') reaction.
Clergy isn't made according to the common peoples' eyes or even the Witches'.. But rather by the deities in question, and who they do and don't choose to call and accept as their clergy. |
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"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
Edited by - GothicDan on 05 Jul 2006 22:23:17 |
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 22:26:59
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| As I said, if you look on the gods favored by the Rashemen they are all female. There is a possibility that culture in some areas can override the general clergy. Religion may vary, even within the Realms, between regions. Remember that the Rashemen know the gods by other names. And, as I said, my comments above were not canon. |
Edited by - Jorkens on 05 Jul 2006 22:29:25 |
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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 16:26:00
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The thing is, the culture of Rashemen is very problematic because of the witches and the way that people are treated within it. My game is based around this idea. There is a rogue Vremyonni. He is angry with the witches and wants to make them suffer because their culture destroys families, separates loved ones, and causes social damage because of it. His goal is to demonstrate this to the Witches no matter what the cost.
He is the father of two children. One, the girl, was recently killed in game and chose not to come back, which only demonstrates his point. The other, the boy, he smuggled out of the country and dumped at the feet of Iron Dragon Mountain. Unfortunately, that character, who was just brought in and doesn't know his father is the villain, has come back to Rashemen. Oh, yay.
He loves his country. But the culture of the Witches and their destruction of family units has filled him with anger. He believes (Rightly or wrongly) that this is one of the reasons that Rashemen is constantly invaded by Thayvians: Because family units are broken up and that protective impulse for one's loved ones isn't there. In his mind, the Durthans and the Hathrans both are monsters. His plan is as follows: Convertly assist Researcher thayvians into Rashemen to release awakened monsters and magical beasts. Sneak non-witch powerful spellcasters into the country via teleportation. Manipulate Thay into invading Rashemen in such a way that the witches will learn the price of destroying families, by attacking them in their homes and taking THEIR loved ones and family members.
HIs alignment: Lawful Neutral. :) The PC's will think he's evil to be sure, but he's not. His plan is to make sure that a group of adventurers is always there to foil the plans that he creates, and preserve his country while dealing damage to the manipulated Thayvians, evil spellcasters, monsters, and other creatures. When the final confrontation with this guy occurs, (And he'll have a ridiculous AC because he's an item crafting Vremyonni wizard, and it will be made even more ridiculous by the fact that he will have crafted many of the PC's magic items himself, and they will go "klik-off") There'll be this big "Join me, because the witches destroy families, and you are good adventurers. How can you stand by and watch as these people destroy this country?" And then, likely, the PC's will say "No" and there will be a big fight. But this is the stuff of which good plots are made... |
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 20:36:48
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| Lawful neutral is proberly to strech it ... he is nonetheless killing innocent people how is that (un)lucky to be in a familiar relationship with the wicthes .. true Neutral with tendecies towards Lawful would be better :) |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 21:47:31
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That depends on what you think Lawful Neutral means. His actions certainly aren't good. But he loves his country and is patriotic. He just doesn't love the way the government operates, and he believes that he is firmly in control of the forces arrayed against Rashemen until such time as he brings them down. If he were doing it for PERSONAL power, then he would be Lawful Evil. If he were doing it to bring about a balance between Rashemen and surrounding nations, then he would be neutral. If he were doing it to sow dissension and bring about the deaths of many innocent people, then he would be evil. But for him, the "good" end justifies the scurrilious and highly vicious and unpleasant "means." Does he torture people? No. Does he manipulate people and use them to bring about what he considers a beneficial end for his country? Yes!
There's even a good argument for him being Lawful Good, but I don't believe that one for a minute. |
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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 21:52:00
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Well, the fun thing so far is that their enemies are Bugbears led by a Malar Druid, who they haven't encountered yet, and Awakened Axe Beaks. :)
Yeah, that's right. You heard me. Awakened Axe Beaks. :) (Axe Beak Sorcerer 6. CR 7. But ridiculous.) |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 21:58:23
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*laughs at the Axe Beaks!*
And I agree with the Lawful Neutral.
Do not agree with a female-dominated Rashemaar religion. ;) |
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"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 23:12:52
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>>Another option of course, is to change the sex of each male who has such a talent/tendency.
I be telling you lad, the vremyonni are a myth. We Thayans know it. The bleeding witches done got themselves several girdles of masculinity/femininity, and they implant new memories into the children they take away from their parents. Wickedly Evil they be, and they tell you outsiders that they're fairy types prancing about in fields doing good deeds. Hell, they even enslave the spirits of their lands and call it a good act. At least we Thayans be honest with you.
quote from Targuth Agneh of Thay
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Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
11830 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 23:24:25
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>>The thing is, the culture of Rashemen is very problematic because of the witches and the >>way that people are treated within it. My game is based around this idea. There is a rogue >>Vremyonni. He is angry with the witches and wants to make them suffer because their culture >>destroys families, separates loved ones, and causes social damage because of it.
Aye, I can understand that. In me own researches, I do believe that there be many hidden agendas happening within Rashemen that folk don't speak of... primarily because the country is so insular. For instance, I do believe that there is a group of males who have secretly been training some of their gender in the invisible art (or as some would called it, mind-magery or psionics). This underground movement seeks to even the odds against the witches, but they do so clandestinely. Its even rumored that the current Iron Lord has several such individuals as his personal aides-de-camp. |
Alavairthae, may your skill prevail
Phillip aka Sleyvas |
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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 07 Jul 2006 : 08:45:10
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Well, the problem with Axe Beak Sorcerer is this:
Expeditious Retreat.
That's right. That's it. Expeditious Retreat. Axe Beak moves faster than mounted horses, runs around in a circle, and fireballs the group to death.
>>>Rawwk...Rawwk...The time of the humans is ov-er. The time of the Axe Beak is coming! I am Feather King...Rawwk...Rawwk...This is my bodyguard, Death of Enemies...Rawwk...Rawwk...<<<
Hey...they're awakened flock animals. You expect name imagination? :) |
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Male Rashemi Druids
