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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
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 Posted - 14 Apr 2003 : 18:35:25
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Maybe you think of www.rotten.com
Warning, it's not a site i recommend unless your heart is strong enough to bear the view of blood and gore |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2003 : 22:56:18
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I haven't been to church in about three years but I find the only real Christian people that fear D&D are OLD. The younger crowd doesn't care so much. I am pretty agnostic myslef I just beleive that there is some power outthere that makes the universe go round. Studying biochemistry actually convinced me of that.
Of course the power might be whatever you wnat it to be. That is why I never understood WHY religous zealots cared about what other people worship. Zeus, Thor, Earth mother, Isis. Whatever connects you, do it.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2003 : 02:06:28
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Very good, Mournblade. That's my take on things. Though I do go a little farther in my beliefs than you do. You sound like you stop at Plato's Demiurge.
But that's not the point of this topic, though it is related, since most people reject D&D because of confusing it with the anti-Christian.
Does anyone know how that got started? |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2003 : 08:53:24
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In the 90ies, began the expension of DnD on a larger public than before, it was probably the tenth try to catch really a general public -and in the whole world- but this time was a success. We could even listen radio spots in USA about DnD.
And whereas TSR was on the top, something happened that destroyed the image of the RPG for ever : a guy killed his teacher during a lesson with a kniff claming i dont remember what but something in relation with DnD.
So, rapidly, medias fell on the new compagny. U know what is the power of medias -and above all in US...-
It was the first bolt against TSR and the RPG in general. And the best of all was that the both parents of the young guy, who suicided soon after his crime- were christian integrists. Thats why.
I think we can still see the mother sometimes in great shows.
Who can convice better better than a mother losting her son ?
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 15 Apr 2003 : 10:04:22
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| There was a similar event in France. Young people digged in a grave looking for tombs. They were arrested. They also used to play RPG, so a journalist (Mireille Dumas) made an emission anti-rpg with a psychologist. It was obvious that both of them didn't know anything about RPG. Still it worked... Pityful |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 16 Apr 2003 : 21:35:29
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| Anybody ever see the movie "Mazes and Monsters"? It cashed in on the anti-roleplaying hysteria. I think it was from the late eighties, so this stuff has been around for awhile. |
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Malice
Seeker
USA
83 Posts |
Posted - 17 Apr 2003 : 21:48:28
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| *sigh* I've been living with my parents with this view for sooo long...but the reason I got into poleplaying in the first place was because I wasn't supposed to. Teenage rebelliousness, you know? (did I spell that right? I don't know! *panic panic*) But seriously, I found that (in my opinion) all the anti-rpg hype was just peopole worried that some might take it too far, into their everyday life. (like me, but not so much that I have my friends looking at me like I'm crazy) |
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Lich Lord
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 18 Apr 2003 : 07:19:00
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lol I haven't laughed so hard in a while. it never ceases to amaze me what these people can come up with. turn or burn! Satan's game! lol
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Minardil
Acolyte
Finland
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Valius
Acolyte
14 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 16:57:33
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| That first one obviosly knows nothing of what he is talking about. And lesbianism is not right under any circumstance. |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 17:36:09
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Originally posted by Valius
That first one obviosly knows nothing of what he is talking about. And lesbianism is not right under any circumstance.
OH boy...
Well for the people that ARE lesbians I am sure it is right. So there is one circumstance it would be OK. I guess Lesbianism is right if you are female and Lesbian. WHo can tell them it isn't?
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 25 Apr 2003 : 23:38:39
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Oh, lighten up, Valius. Who are you to judge?
I don't encourage homosexual behavior, but it's not my place to say that they're wrong. I don't like it, but I'm willing to look the other way if there's no real fuss and no one's getting hurt.
This isn't freedom of speech -- it's been used as an argument for it, but the US's First Amendment rights don't cover this. What does cover it is the idea (which we Americans and in fact most of the world hold as a right) that you should be free to do what you want so long as what you do does no harm to anyone else.
You're free to speak your oppinion, Valius, and in fact I encourage it. But don't state an opinion as a fact. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 03:44:26
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At this very moment, I am watching a Fox news story. It's on obsession with the game Everquest. They blame it for murder and suicide. They also compare it to crack, heroin, and "the old style Dungeons & Dragons." It's also a game where "you either love it or hate it."
Lovely how they tell me how I am either with them or against them. I don't even know anything about the game, other than what they said in the story. (I'm speaking in the past tense now, as it's over.)
They actually only mentioned one suicide and one murder. Not even any statistics. However, it looks like we might have another anti-RPG hysteria coming. I'm probably wrong (I sure hope so) but brace yourselves. Just in case. |
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Edain Shadowstar
Senior Scribe
USA
455 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 04:35:19
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Man, oh man. The way the world scapegoats. I have been watching, reading, listening to, and otherwise trying to keep a straight face while absorbing opinions such as these for a long time. D&D is evil because someone who played it committed suicide. By that logic so is golf, or bowling, or driving a car, or 90% of the other actions in the world. My son committed suicide because he got screwed in EverQuest. Could it possibly be he already had deep rooted psycological problems, and if EverQuest hadn't set him off, something else would have. No, frankly, everyone is entitled to two immutable things in my book which pertain herein, (1) there opinion, not matter how racist, mean spirited, hateful, ect. it may )actions are a different story), and (2) not having to have other people cram their opinions down their throats and/or be judged evil, or sinful, or a bad person by them. Whether or not god exists as we portray him is beyond our own ability to prove, or for that matter accurately comprehend. Therefore, one has no right to call someone else's beliefs in error just because they are in opposition to their own.
Frankly, it irritates me the way people abuse the freedoms in the United States, or any other free country. Freedoms are a privilage, and one not everyone in the world possesses, be thankful for it and do not abuse it. Now, I am not saying you can't express your opinion openly, hey I can't stop you. But to go around screaming "Sinner!" and "Evil!" is frankly, a load of garbage. Of course, in the history of humanity we have damned people for less.
Now, I have personally been involved in many so called "evil" games. Dungeons & Dragons, Everquest, Warhammer, Magic, ect. The list goes on, and on , and on , and on, ad nausia. It's irritates me to no end that I am being judged by people who have never met me. Another point that is ironic is that most Judeo-Christian faiths discourage hate, yet here are people flagrently hating int he name of God. More blood has been spilled in the history of humanity in the name of God than any other cause, and frankly, in the words of Dennis Miller, "If God saw how some people invoke his name he'd turn atheist".
Well, my fingers are now tired, and my temper enraged, so before I say something I'll regret I'll stop here, but it's people preaching things like this, that people are evil because they enjoy the fantastic, that it breeds evil, who are ruining the country, them and the Republicans, the Congress, the EPA, the last three Republican presidents, and the Government of the State of Florida. 
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 08:19:27
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Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Oh, lighten up, Valius. Who are you to judge?
I don't encourage homosexual behavior, but it's not my place to say that they're wrong. I don't like it, but I'm willing to look the other way if there's no real fuss and no one's getting hurt.
This isn't freedom of speech -- it's been used as an argument for it, but the US's First Amendment rights don't cover this. What does cover it is the idea (which we Americans and in fact most of the world hold as a right) that you should be free to do what you want so long as what you do does no harm to anyone else.
You're free to speak your oppinion, Valius, and in fact I encourage it. But don't state an opinion as a fact.
Once again Bookwyrm, you eloquently explain the issue at hand.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 09:07:39
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Originally posted by mournblade94
Once again Bookwyrm, you eloquently explain the issue at hand.
Really? It seemed more of a bable to me. I was sure someone (such as you, actually) would be pointing out some sort of logic fallacy I hadn't caught.  |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
444 Posts |
Posted - 26 Apr 2003 : 18:04:30
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Edain,
...terribly, terribly sorry. My thoughts and prayers and hopes are with you.
The rest,
Who here speaks properly of right and wrong in absolutes? Who has that insight into the mind of the greater power if there is one? And why? Because you read a book that some one wrote long ago, SUPPOSEDLY inspired by god? How do you KNOW?
Answer: No one does. We all share the same condition, humanity. Nobody knows anything. We make assumptions (read FAITH) based on flawed, human logic and incomplete knowledge because we have to, we have no other tools.
My 2cp as it were...
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Malice
Seeker
USA
83 Posts |
Posted - 28 Apr 2003 : 03:37:02
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Originally posted by Artalis
Who here speaks properly of right and wrong in absolutes? Who has that insight into the mind of the greater power if there is one? And why? Because you read a book that some one wrote long ago, SUPPOSEDLY inspired by god? How do you KNOW?
Answer: No one does. We all share the same condition, humanity. Nobody knows anything. We make assumptions (read FAITH) based on flawed, human logic and incomplete knowledge because we have to, we have no other tools.
My 2cp as it were...
::nods violently:: I agree in all the strongest terms possible to man! |
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2003 : 13:37:00
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Originally posted by mournblade94
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Originally posted by Valius
That first one obviosly knows nothing of what he is talking about. And lesbianism is not right under any circumstance.
OH boy...
Well for the people that ARE lesbians I am sure it is right. So there is one circumstance it would be OK. I guess Lesbianism is right if you are female and Lesbian. WHo can tell them it isn't?
Yep. I have to agree with that one. The only ones that do fear it are the old people. I don't know why they think that its such a big deal. 1st ed was made kind of like WW1-2. Kind of odd but I was reading an article about that. It seems kind alike it has some weight to it. In any case I know a bunch of people who play D&D that are my age and are christians. Hell dan ... is well... He likes to play evil chars lol.
You would think that they would wake up and realize that its just a game, its not devil worship. Not once when I have gone to play a game of D&D have I stated: YEAH GUYS! LETS GO SACRAFICE SOMEONE OR SOMETHING TO SATAN MAN!!!
That would just be stupid. Anyway in the long run ... the old people will be gone and soon D&D wont get the bad rap it gets from them old folks.
Sides most of the christans who play D&D normally play the most vile beings they can......  |
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Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
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Cult_Leader
Learned Scribe
USA
337 Posts |
Posted - 05 May 2003 : 13:47:50
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| And look silly me I quoted the wrong post.... Well thats normal of me since Im absent minded. However I think you all know which posts I ment to quote .... but uhh ... as long as I am fixing my mistake ( again *sighs* ) I might as well state this to ... Its their choice and no one can really say that they cant be together. Hell as long as they go to Hawaii, or however it is spelled since I don't care about it (can we sell it pretty please?), they can get married legally in the us. And since Hawaii is part of the us, the rest of the US has to take it as a legal marrage ( Has law as his major .... is so going to become a lawyer so he dose not have to be human anymore). |
"Madness you say! Do you fear me? Are you afraid of what I might do, of what I might say? What a fascinating reaction. Don't you find it somewhat encumbering?"
Piddles assumes a deep and resonant voice. "Space...the Final Frontier. These are the voyages of the starship...Garou. It's mission: to slay Wyrm creatures where they live and breed. To accumulate more Garou than the world's entire population. To produce metis like no one has before." - Piddles
"Aren't you people supposed to be doing something? Like, entertaining me, the fascist wizard?" - InleRah
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2003 : 11:29:27
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Finland looks cool, anyway... I will go there one day.
Lets go back on the topic
A lot of people don't know that i play RPG, and almost every of those who know believe that its a kind of software. But i don't want to teach them anything, we never know how they will react. Actually, im sure that their feeling with will change. I teach what PG is anly to those who want to know more.
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2003 : 21:32:01
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The first thing i say when i meet people (except hello  ) is 'i play rpg'. There're 4 ways they react
- Arg, the guys who suicide themselves
- Ha! You play magic!
- On the Internet
- Great, me too (and we spend the night talking about it)
But mostly it's the first three, so i have to explain it AGAIN!
I begin to be tired to explain, but i keep explaining cause knowledge is the best way to fight stupidity |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2003 : 19:38:03
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Don't I know it. Problem is, most stupid people (or, to be less harsh, people who seem stupid because of their actions) don't want to be educated. I just had that problem in class a few hours ago. A guy in the is writing a paper on tsunamis (the topic is something to do with "water" as a concept or as an actual physical relationship) and he mentioned during the class that he had no idea how the tsunami could possibly gain strength as it goes closer to land. I offered to explain it (it's a simple physics point, having to do with conservation of angular momentum; all that power has to go someplace, and if there's less room, the power is concentrated -- same thing as with most water faucets!) but he didn't want to hear it. No one did, except the professor.  |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2003 : 22:26:30
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Originally posted by zemd
The first thing i say when i meet people (except hello ) is 'i play rpg'. There're 4 ways they react
- Arg, the guys who suicide themselves
- Ha! You play magic!
- On the Internet
- Great, me too (and we spend the night talking about it)
But mostly it's the first three, so i have to explain it AGAIN!
I begin to be tired to explain, but i keep explaining cause knowledge is the best way to fight stupidity
Yup, I know exactly what you mean zemd. Everyone automatically assumes that "this thing that you do" is on a computer. Some sort of multi-player game!
Although the most common comments i get are "so do you dress up as wizards and goblins and run around woods then and go to conventions?"
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"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2003 : 22:37:14
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Originally posted by Rad
Yup, I know exactly what you mean zemd. Everyone automatically assumes that "this thing that you do" is on a computer. Some sort of multi-player game!
Although the most common comments i get are "so do you dress up as wizards and goblins and run around woods then and go to conventions?"
::sigh::
HAH funny thing is Everyone in REAL life thinks I am normal and well adjusted...
But I DO dress up as wizards and goblins and go to conventions.
HAH HAH! IF they only knew
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2003 : 14:04:48
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The first thing i say when i meet people (except hello ) is 'i play rpg'. There're 4 ways they react
- Arg, the guys who suicide themselves
- Ha! You play magic!
- On the Internet
- Great, me too (and we spend the night talking about it)
But mostly it's the first three, so i have to explain it AGAIN!
I begin to be tired to explain, but i keep explaining cause knowledge is the best way to fight stupidity
Thats why they sucided... too tired to explain again... |
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Malice
Seeker
USA
83 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2003 : 18:48:59
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| ::Laughs:: heh, that's the same reactions that I ususally get from people who don't really know what roleplaying is...of course, to save myself the arduous task of having to rexplaing myself to pwoplw over and over again, i usually keep my circle of friends close to stop that from happening. I mean, i NEVER let them forget what roleplaying is! |
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Mournblade
Master of Realmslore
USA
1287 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2003 : 21:59:58
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In the live action roleplaying game I am in, I play a Warlok. All that means is we are higher level wizards (though I am also a warrior) that gets their power from CHaos. Well the symbol of the Warlock is the Pentacle. This weekend my friend J.R. and I wanted to make a sheet we could just drop down for 'rituals'. Well we used red latex paint and a black sheet to lay down the pentacle.
the black sheet with the pentacle is right in the middle of the floor. I am sure no one will rob that house
My exgirlfriend used to where a pentacle all the time, and she had one hanging from her rear view miror. We were in NYC, and her car got broken into. Funny enough, her CD case was opened but nothing taken. Her glove box was open with her emergency cash still there but rumaged through. We think the Pentacle saved her against some paranoid crooks.
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 16 May 2003 : 09:19:29
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| Heh. I like that story -- both of them, actually. I'll have to remember that. Maybe the guy watched a scootch too much Charmed? |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 20 May 2003 : 15:22:32
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funny ye.
i don't have any story like that, i would however.
But i don't wear anything else than my dices on me.
I have a friend that always wear tee-shirts with "i love sucks" written on it... If u look the other side there is a vampire sucking blood... but if u don't look the other side, what do u think? |
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