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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
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 Posted - 21 Mar 2003 : 20:05:56
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Kitira Gildragon:
>My parents absolutely hate D&D. My dad used to play, but after a
>while, my step-mom convinced him that it was 'evil' and that I
>shouldn't play it. *snickersnicker* Like that worked. I stole my
>dad's Baldur's Gate games
Your dad hates D&D but he plays Baldur's Gate? Sounds like a case of "Do as I say, not as I do." |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 21 Mar 2003 : 22:34:26
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Parents, parents,...
They said the same to me, but for my parties...  |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
444 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2003 : 22:35:06
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As a parent and a long time player of every RPG I could ever get my hands on I feel I should weigh in on this topic.
We all know that RPG's are an escape, that they are fantasy and it is only a game for our enjoyment and relaxation.
Some of us take it a little farther than that and it becomes a pastime of sorts our "main hobby" if you will.
Still further down the line you have people who have little else in their lives but RPG's (I used to fall into this category.)
Like anything it can become an obsession. But so can say, Hockey, Football, Baseball or basket weaving for that matter. It depends on the individual.
I have met some people who even take it to the next level if you will and dress up in costume and act out their games (I think the rpg was Vampire the Masquerade), to me this is a little overboard but hey they aren't hurting anyone (hopefully) so what the heck.
IIRC it was a sitation like the one above which created the initial "uproar" about D&D. Some kid who had almost nothing else in his life that he enjoyed was out somewhere acting out his game and got killed doing it. This is what most parents are afraid of I think.
It's sad but it was an accident.
If he had nothing else in his life except for Ice Cream and was on his way to the local Baskin Robins ice cream parlor and was hit by a truck would we have had an outcry against Ice Cream? I think not.
Why? Because many people don't understand RPG's. They take an above average intellect and imagination to play and enjoy, therefore immediately putting the rest of the world on the defensive because they don't "get it".
Ignorance paves the way for fear and fear is the root of all evil. Not some, ALL.
Kitira
I think you and your mother need to have an honest open non-confrontational talk. If you approach her with humility and an open mind with a well thought out point of view you may find her a different kind of person. I am concerned that the animosity between the two of you could really hurt you as a person.
I just patched things up with my father and I am 30 years old. I can tell you quite seriously that I would really like to have the last wasted 15 years back. People are people period, when we label someone we remove their uniqueness and devalue them.
Your mom has a point of view and if you listen to her concerns well maybe she will stop seeming so funny and might seem more well... worried.
Just a thought
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
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Posted - 21 Mar 2003 : 22:41:24
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As i see, it's not the scribe who is speaking but the father!
I feel it's me that is talking when i made the presentation of rpg in an important oral exam at school  |
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Zacas
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 21 Mar 2003 : 23:09:12
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"Fear leads to anger... anger leads to hate... hate leads to... suffering..."
And yet another quote, tho probably incorrect, from your friendly neighborhood Zacas :) :P hehe |
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Targon Moonrise
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Mar 2003 : 00:19:09
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I might be lucky. My parents support me most of the way with my love of fantasy. I have never roleplayed Forgotten Realms but they have seen me hooked in FR and LotR. I think me parents even were into LotR when they were younger. They support me with all the fantasy ideas that run in my head and those ideas are basicly just like Forgotten Realms.
I like it's absurd that people are claiming it "satanic" but like many people have said, it's a way to ease the pressure of life a bit.I also agree with the people that said that the people that call it evil are just "misinformed" or don't understand. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Mar 2003 : 03:45:33
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Artalis, nice short-answer essay. (Ooo, that reminds me, semester resumes Monday . . . .      )
One thing -- it was Kitira's step-mom. I'm told those are . . . harder to reason with. |
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Sadonayerah Odrydin
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2003 : 05:52:57
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Zemd: Lol. Well, my drow is from a place mentioned in Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn...does that count?  
And I agree (though I've already said my 2 cents worth..I figured I should relate something to the topic here too. Lol). I think it's really silly to think that all of this fantasy stuff is "evil" or "satanic" when it's actually just a thing to widen ones imagination. The problem with most parents (and yes Bookwyrm...step mom's are pretty hard to reason with...especially mine....) is that they hear the word "magic" and absolutely freak out thinking it has something to do with witchcraft or something along those lines. (see my previous post for somewhat of an example...my dad is notorious for assuming things that aren't true). |
"What's that," asked Mogget.
"Sardines," said Sam. "I knew they were standard rations, so I got a few tins for you."
"What are sardines?" Moggest asked suspiciously. "And why is there a key? Is this some sort of Abhorsen joke?"
Abhorsen by Garth Nix
"What you made a vampire...Pomeranian?!" --Hannibal King from Blade Trinity
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 22 Mar 2003 : 13:00:20
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quote:
Originally posted by Sadonayerah Odrydin
Zemd: Lol. Well, my drow is from a place mentioned in Baldur's Gate 2: Shadows of Amn...does that count?
Well, it depends, are you from the Atkathla (sp?) hippies groups? |
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Sadonayerah Odrydin
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 22 Mar 2003 : 23:29:32
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"What's that," asked Mogget.
"Sardines," said Sam. "I knew they were standard rations, so I got a few tins for you."
"What are sardines?" Moggest asked suspiciously. "And why is there a key? Is this some sort of Abhorsen joke?"
Abhorsen by Garth Nix
"What you made a vampire...Pomeranian?!" --Hannibal King from Blade Trinity
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Lesbian Succubus
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Mar 2003 : 16:50:31
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| I did have a Jehovah's Witness friend who was hostile to spellcasting in the game, but he never bothered to turn up. |
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Lesbian Succubus
Acolyte
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Mar 2003 : 16:53:28
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| You may all be interested to know that white wolf have finally started to take the p**s. Demon: The Fallen is now out, but i'm broke. |
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Kitira Gildragon
Learned Scribe
USA
191 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2003 : 13:37:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Bookwyrm
Artalis, nice short-answer essay. (Ooo, that reminds me, semester resumes Monday . . . . )
One thing -- it was Kitira's step-mom. I'm told those are . . . harder to reason with.
<------ !~*/\EXACTLY!/\*~!
Just want to say that both Artalis and Bookwyrm are right here.
Artalis, I understand what you are saying and heed your wise words. I feel that they are the true feelings of someone who has experience and you know part of how I feel.
However, my situation is very... different? Perhaps odd? 1) She is my step-mom. Not mother. 2) She has made it quite clear that she does not care about me, ruling out the 'worry' aspect. 3) I have approached her, in the past, exactly the way you have stated. My step-mom is a very confrontational type person, so it failed miserably-
Because of our past together (there is much that I cannot or will not write out here that has happened) I cannot possibly feel that she could just be 'worried'. If it were my father (he quit a long time ago; I think he gets the idea that I'm just doing my own thing and it's not hurting anyone) it would be different and I'd understand- |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2003 : 16:29:51
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That's sad Kitira. Could you make her play a rpg session without teling her it's one. Don't use your books, create simple rules, make that like theatre, tell that you learnt that from school, ...
Maybe it could work. |
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Artalis
Senior Scribe
USA
444 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2003 : 17:36:34
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Originally posted by Kitira Gildragon
<snip>
However, my situation is very... different? Perhaps odd? 1) She is my step-mom. Not mother. 2) She has made it quite clear that she does not care about me, ruling out the 'worry' aspect. 3) I have approached her, in the past, exactly the way you have stated. My step-mom is a very confrontational type person, so it failed miserably-
Because of our past together (there is much that I cannot or will not write out here that has happened) I cannot possibly feel that she could just be 'worried'. If it were my father (he quit a long time ago; I think he gets the idea that I'm just doing my own thing and it's not hurting anyone) it would be different and I'd understand-
Kitira
I am really sorry to hear that your step-mother is so unreasonable.
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cont. in a private scroll. |
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lowtech
Learned Scribe
USA
315 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2003 : 18:12:32
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There are some interesting websites created by somebody who calls himself Li Po who actually uses Planescape RPG sessions as avenues for teaching Christian morality. (check them out on google.com). I'm an agnostic, but it seemed to me that this thread deviated from critisizing anti-rpg Christians and lumped other Christians into that category, so I feel obligated to speak up for the latter. Lets be sure to differentiate between gamers who are Christian and those idiots who want to ban Harry Potter.
Those Li Po sites really are surprisingly entertaining... |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2003 : 18:36:25
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Lesbian Succubus:
>You may all be interested to know that white wolf have finally
>started to take the p**s.
What the h**l does "take the p**s" mean? |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2003 : 20:09:57
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My friend's mother is also Catholic, but she sees nothing wrong with D&D. Even when I told her about the gods and clerics and things. My mom is just the worrying type. (Plus she was raised Presbyterian by an old-fashioned, very Southern mother.)
This other mother also told me of someone she had known that said J. K. Rowling will be "burning in Hell for all eternity" for what she's "done to children everywhere." He wasn't sure about Tolkein, but he is "probably burning too." (She didn't have the courage to ask about C. S. Lewis -- who was a theologian, by the way!)
What an idiot.
Let me tell you, if the Vatican has issued a report saying that, after careful study by many experts, no Satanic infulence was found in the Harry Potter books, then likely she's not damned for that!
Anyone know if the Vatican has investigated Tokein and D&D? |
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Alexis Merlin
Learned Scribe
USA
115 Posts |
Posted - 24 Mar 2003 : 23:04:50
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Hi all,
Being a regular Christian church-goer I just though I would chip in my 2-cents worth here....
I've actually encountered very little hostility to RPGs - but that which I have has always been D&D related - I've played other games like Call of Cthulu which portrays a far more dark and unforgiving universe removed from Christian values than anything portrayed in D&D. The fact is that D&D is a game - it's not a set of beliefs or a political theory (though one could argue that if anything it promotes common values by encouraging people to socialise more...who knows if the whole world took up RPGs it could lead to world peace? )
I also agree with what Artalis has mentioned about it being a form of escapism...after a chat with my local minister he said that it was if anything beneficial to one's spiritual development....perhaps I should get him to send a sermon on this aspect to those extremists in the Church?
Alex
P.S. I did look at that FAQ Succubus and would be more than happy to provide a 'commentary' on it...but as Zemd said this is neither the time nor the place.
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It is knowledge that influences and equalizes the social condition of man; that gives to all, however different their political position, passions which are in common, and enjoyments which are universal.
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 08:31:39
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Originally posted by branmakmuffin
Lesbian Succubus:
>You may all be interested to know that white wolf have finally
>started to take the p**s.
What the h**l does "take the p**s" mean?
Its a way of saying that they are being "out of order", "having a laugh"..... hmmmm, I guess thats not helping either It means theyre going too far, or some such. |
Lord Rad
"What? No, I wasn't reading your module. I was just looking at the pictures"
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 21:09:07
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Rad:
You're right, I still don't get it.
It is obviously of no consequence since I'm American and Lesbian Succubus and you are not.
(that's a joke) |
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Bellua Aeneus Lacerta
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2003 : 22:51:58
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Evil and satanic??
I refuse to be included with those who play ice hockey
Funny site |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2003 : 09:00:28
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quote:
Originally posted by branmakmuffin
(that's a joke)
You prevent them form putting you on trial?  (eng?) |
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branmakmuffin
Senior Scribe
USA
428 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 19:09:10
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quote:
Originally posted by zemd
quote:
Originally posted by branmakmuffin
(that's a joke)
Look, I'm using the regular quoting!
You prevent them form putting you on trial? (eng?)
Do you mean does the fact that I was joking prevent them getting angry at me? I hope so. |
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zemd
Master of Realmslore
France
1103 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2003 : 19:50:53
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| Yes it's exactly what it means |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2003 : 05:20:52
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quote:
Originally posted by branmakmuffin
Look, I'm using the regular quoting!
And thank you! I know I didn't say anything, but the way you were doing it before was slightly annoying. Kind of like how people post a URL instead of doing a hyperlinked "click here."
(To such people: don't worry, I'm not upset about it . . . I used to not know how to do it either. Just check the FAQ page or ask another scribe to find out how.) |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2003 : 13:50:27
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I've got something new here. As I mentioned on another thread, just in passing, one of my professors is both an astroohycist and Baptist deacon. (His name is Dr. Harold Williams.)
He also was a longtime Dungeons & Dragons player, back when he had the time for it. He remembers it fondly, saying he had great fun with it. "I remember when Gary Gygax was just starting out," he told me last night.
Well, he's a deacon who believes in God, the Big Bang, parallel universes, evolution, and doesn't think D&D is evil.
He's a pretty smart guy, I think. |
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
296 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2003 : 14:27:21
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Woooo
Its hard to believe that can just even exist...
I talked with some guys anti-RpG but they weren't that intolerant! Bloody hell, what did they smoke before writting?
Tactical $uicides Rules, i'll remember, fun.
But, even when im totally drunk, i don't hear voices... well, i did but i was so pissed! And i still think that someone talked to me. They say that there wasn't anybody. Hmmm
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eilinel
Learned Scribe
France
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Posted - 14 Apr 2003 : 15:49:26
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I guess these guy would be able to torture to get our redemption.
Gasp... its remembering me some pictures i saw about that kind quesionning people -i don't know if question means also torture in english, does it?
Fortunately, i forgot the site, so u won't sleep bad tonight. |
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Bookwyrm
Great Reader
USA
4740 Posts |
Posted - 14 Apr 2003 : 15:54:02
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You're probably thinking of the word "interrogate" which also has connotations of "torture." It really just means "harsh questioning" and not torture.
Now, which one exactly are you talking about? Surely not my professor . . . . |
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