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atlas689
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 Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 00:50:30
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What is the length and (wow this seems weird) texture (curly, straight, messy, spiked, etc) of Fflar's hair and what is his eye color, this is for a micro of mine please reply soon!
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Soldiers fight, thieves steal, bards sing, wizards cast, sages think, assassins kill. Good or Evil we all have a job. So tell me this. What the hell are nobles and merchants for?
From: Thoughts of an Old Sage
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atlas689
Learned Scribe
123 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 18:21:56
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Does anybody know?
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Soldiers fight, thieves steal, bards sing, wizards cast, sages think, assassins kill. Good or Evil we all have a job. So tell me this. What the hell are nobles and merchants for?
From: Thoughts of an Old Sage
by: An Old Sage (anonymous) |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 18:29:14
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I posted this in your other thread as well, but there is a picture of Fflar here:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/images/leof_gallery/86713.jpg
Its hard to see, but he has several braids running down the side of his hair in this picture. Obviously you can't quite see his eyes. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 18:34:36
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And the thing was, before the Last Mythal trilogy, no one knew what Fflar even was. His race was left specifically blank
I would have preferred it if he had been a human or half-elf. |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
895 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 19:26:42
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Oh, la. He's got the Legolas hairdo.  |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2006 : 21:20:04
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Oh, la. He's got the Legolas hairdo.
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 02:54:45
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Originally posted by GothicDan
And the thing was, before the Last Mythal trilogy, no one knew what Fflar even was. His race was left specifically blank
I would have preferred it if he had been a human or half-elf.
Wow...I'm not the only one who liked it better when Fflar was a mystery.  |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 03:30:47
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by GothicDan
And the thing was, before the Last Mythal trilogy, no one knew what Fflar even was. His race was left specifically blank
I would have preferred it if he had been a human or half-elf.
Wow...I'm not the only one who liked it better when Fflar was a mystery.
As did I actually. :( Oh well. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 03:34:26
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by GothicDan
And the thing was, before the Last Mythal trilogy, no one knew what Fflar even was. His race was left specifically blank
I would have preferred it if he had been a human or half-elf.
Wow...I'm not the only one who liked it better when Fflar was a mystery.
As did I actually. :( Oh well.
There might well be a lot of us actually... |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 03:38:13
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| One of the greatest moments in my campaign was when the party's bladesinger discovered that I had made Fflar an Eilistraeen drow disguised as a moon elf. I don't think the player spoke to me for a week, it was wonderful. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 05:33:46
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| *Laughs* I'd find even that a bit hard to take in. Unless it was someone as powerful as the Srinshee or the like that magically disguised the Drow.. And I mean more than visually. :) |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 30 Jun 2006 : 21:17:18
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| To make a really complex campaign simple: yes, it was more complex than simple magic. And I decided that he showed up just after the first sieges when anyone who was powerful enough (and there weren't many) to pierce the disguise were far too busy to screen an elf joining up with the Akh'Velahr among the thousands of others. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 02:03:12
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| Nice. :) |
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Uzzy
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
618 Posts |
Posted - 05 Jul 2006 : 10:41:46
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Wow. Im not the only one either who liked it when Fflar was a mystery. Had a kind of poetry about it, that each and every race could have their own legend about Fflar, and what he stood for. Heck, Halfings could have legends about a Hin Fflar!
*shrugs* Thats the way its staying in my campaign, at any rate.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 03:29:30
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You could always do some fancy footwork around his race: his original race is a mystery, but his valiant actions in defense of the People earned him a place in Arvandor. He came back as an elf because it was an elf who called him back, and that was what the elf expected...
Myself, I've always thought, for some reason, that he was a half-elf. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 03:39:42
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I always felt the same, Wooly. In my heart. ;)
A half-Sun Elf would have been nice, to contrast all of the manipulative Sun Elven nobility. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 03:57:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You could always do some fancy footwork around his race: his original race is a mystery, but his valiant actions in defense of the People earned him a place in Arvandor. He came back as an elf because it was an elf who called him back, and that was what the elf expected...
Myself, I've always thought, for some reason, that he was a half-elf.
I really like that explanation...although, you still have to ignore what the Last Mythals novels say about him, since the prologue of each book is seen from Fflar's point of view, and it's clearly stated he is an elf. Of course, you could do some really fancy footwork and say that the prologue is what Fflar thinks he remembers, and isn't a objective account. That can get a bit weird though. :)
I am reading Final Gate right now, and I'm still trying to figure out (based on what I remember from sourcebooks, as well as the text of the novel), whether or not "Fflar" is some fancy title, or actually just a part of Starbrow Melruth's name. In my opinion, the novel sort of suggests the latter--I can't be sure, but that's the impression I'm getting. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 04:04:42
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Originally it was a title and a pseudonym. It meant something like "Captain of Last Hope," and was the only thing known about the mysterious person who led the final days. It was given to him after he picked up Foebane and proved himself worthy of leading the remaining warriors. Fall of Myth Drannor says that he was a kerym, essentially a captain in the Akh'Velahr, and one of the highest ranking officers left at the end. A kerym was a low enough rank that he could have been of any race and his real name was forgotten.
Last Mythal's use is a bit different. Fflar is obviously his name, but he essentially has two first names since no one thinks it's strange that he calls himself Starbrow.
Personally, I'd say he took the name the people gave him and incorporated it into his personality. So he was born Starbrow Melruth and had he survived the Fall would have called himself Fflar Starbrow Melruth. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 04:05:47
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You could always do some fancy footwork around his race: his original race is a mystery, but his valiant actions in defense of the People earned him a place in Arvandor. He came back as an elf because it was an elf who called him back, and that was what the elf expected...
Myself, I've always thought, for some reason, that he was a half-elf.
I really like that explanation...although, you still have to ignore what the Last Mythals novels say about him, since the prologue of each book is seen from Fflar's point of view, and it's clearly stated he is an elf. Of course, you could do some really fancy footwork and say that the prologue is what Fflar thinks he remembers, and isn't a objective account. That can get a bit weird though. :)
I am reading Final Gate right now, and I'm still trying to figure out (based on what I remember from sourcebooks, as well as the text of the novel), whether or not "Fflar" is some fancy title, or actually just a part of Starbrow Melruth's name. In my opinion, the novel sort of suggests the latter--I can't be sure, but that's the impression I'm getting.
His perception of his memories is altered by his form, perhaps? It's not the best explanation, but it's all I've got, at the moment.
As I recall, he was originally just called Fflar -- no other name or anything was given. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 04:20:54
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| Yeah, I know that up until recently, all we had was the word "Fflar". Anyway, thanks Hoondatha and WR for the enlightening comments. |
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
USA
2449 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 05:44:53
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| No problem. I think, to a certain extent, Fflar worked better like the drow before Drizzt really took off and WotSQ: shadowy figures that everyone had heard of but no one knew. But I actually really liked how Fflar was handled in Last Mythal, so I guess I want it both ways |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jul 2006 : 05:51:25
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Well, if Fflar was killed and went on to Arvandor, when he returned, he wouldn't have any memories of his past at all. So, as far as he knew, he would have always been an Elven petitioner.. Though I hope he doesn't have memories of being an elf during the days of Myth Drannor itself..
We better all be quiet before we get told to stay on topic. :) |
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Fflar Starbrow hair and eyes?
