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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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 Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 01:19:13
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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Originally posted by khorne
What I would like very much would be for Salvatore to have some other characters than Drizzt have those long introspections in the books. At first it was nice, but after a dozen books it became quite......boring. I would love to hear Bruenor introspecting like that.
With phonetic spellings of his accent? Please no.
I really don't want to read Bruenor's introspectings, myself. I already think Drizzt indulges in it far too often--I don't need to read preachy "essays" by any of the other characters. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 01:41:09
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| I'd like an evil Drow introspection sometimes...especially Gromph or Pharaun, that'd be interesting |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 02:19:47
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Originally posted by Ethriel
I'd like an evil Drow introspection sometimes...especially Gromph or Pharaun, that'd be interesting
Wouldn't getting inside their heads take away their mystique, at least a little? |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Akukakk
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 04:00:47
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by Ethriel
I'd like an evil Drow introspection sometimes...especially Gromph or Pharaun, that'd be interesting
Wouldn't getting inside their heads take away their mystique, at least a little?
would probably depend on the char, and if they where male or female |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 04:18:40
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Originally posted by Akukakk
would probably depend on the char, and if they where male or female
Neh, I don't think gender has anything to do with it.  |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 04:25:20
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I think in the case of Drow, gender would make a big difference.
I'm less fond of female Drow even more than I am of male Drow. ;) |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 04:29:05
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| I meant in terms of mystique, not character. I don't think it's necessarily a good idea to get inside a villain's head, personally. But then again, it's late where I live and my mind isn't totally clear right now. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
1103 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 04:42:44
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| The closest I got to enjoying being in a villain's head was the Elric Saga. :) |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 04:48:05
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Originally posted by GothicDan
The closest I got to enjoying being in a villain's head was the Elric Saga. :)
Haven't read that, but I'll take your word for it.  I just like it when villain's are somewhat mysterious--if they have Drizzt-like journal entries (which I don't care for very much to begin with, even as Drizzt writes them), I feel that would intrude on their role in the story. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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1103 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 05:25:41
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| I agree, to a point. I do however enjoy the peaks into the "villains'" heads in the Song of Ice and Fire books, though. But I guess that's because, in large part, they're not fantasy "villains".. They're just people, with motives and feelings. |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 05:59:18
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Drizzt definitely does have alot of that "weepy vampire" pathos to him.. But it's not like he's the only one that gets introspective, he just has more screentime doing it.. Well, more screentime than everybody else in the book combined.. Maybe if they were all just a tad less introspective?
RF (and everybody else) - Definitely check out Moorcock's Elric saga, it's one of the classics and had a HUGE impact on the fantasy genre.. He's on par with R.E. Howard (Conan) and is kinda the anti-Tolkien writer.. On the downside, he's the Robert Jordan of his time and things can get a bit repetitive if you try to read all of the Eternal Champion stuff (just stick with Elric).. |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
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1103 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 06:13:25
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I read the first two sagas, in compilation hardback form...
They may be my favorite books. :) Though Mieville and Carey are up there, as is Elaine and Anne Bishop (if I'm feeling a bit campy). |
Planescape Fanatic
"Fiends and Undead are the peanut butter and jelly of evil." - Me
"That attitude should be stomped on, whenever and wherever it's encountered, because it makes people holding such views bad citizens, not just bad roleplayers (considering D&D was structured as a 'forced cooperation' game, and although successive editions are pointing it more and more towards a me-first, min-max game, the drift away from 'we all need each other to succeed' will at some point make it 'no longer' D&D)." - ED GREENWOOD |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 10:10:04
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Originally posted by Ethriel
I'd like an evil Drow introspection sometimes...especially Gromph or Pharaun, that'd be interesting
Personally I'd think being inside Gromph's head would be dead boring |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 10:49:57
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Originally posted by GothicDan
The closest I got to enjoying being in a villain's head was the Elric Saga. :)
Haven't read that, but I'll take your word for it. I just like it when villain's are somewhat mysterious--if they have Drizzt-like journal entries (which I don't care for very much to begin with, even as Drizzt writes them), I feel that would intrude on their role in the story.
Diary of a serial killer... scary:
"Today wasn't normal, in any meaning of the word. I happened upon this familie of picknicking halflings. When I was finished I ate their food, the pork-pie was very tasty and now I regret doing them all in, for I would've dearly liked to have that recipe. Hmmm, maybe I should try my hand at halfling-pie."
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Mace's not so gentle gamer's journal My rants were harmless compared to this, beware! |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 01 Jul 2006 : 10:58:05
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Oh sure Mace . . . start that whole "Faerun's Hannibal Lector" image in my head now . . .
But, back on the original topic, I wonder if RAS is going to specifically label this as a trilogy or what have you. He seems a bit averse to that idea if you read through the whole interveiw, as if he would rather just have a "The New Adventures of Drizzt and Company" type banner to the books. I guess if they are shooting for about one book a year for Drizzt and the gang, he has a certain point there. |
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
USA
272 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2006 : 02:07:53
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| I'd actually like to get inside Gromph's character as he's got about several thousand hints of unexplored potential in just about every bit of writing he's in, but nothing fully explored |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2006 : 03:53:50
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Originally posted by GothicDan
I agree, to a point. I do however enjoy the peaks into the "villains'" heads in the Song of Ice and Fire books, though. But I guess that's because, in large part, they're not fantasy "villains".. They're just people, with motives and feelings.
True...and somehow, I'm doubting the "villains" in those books are given "journal" entries like Drizzt is, which often get rather preachy and moralistic. These essays basically consist of Drizzt discussing his feelings about things that have happened (or are happening) to him, and then they are tied in with some greater point about the important things in life.
Which goes back to why I think it would be silly if, say, Gromph Baenre were given "journal entries". What would he say, "You know, it really is nice not to give a rothe's arse about other creatures"? I don't think it would be much better for Bruenor to get these essays either. Drizzt at least lends himself to introspection--Bruenor really isn't the type to do that...not for long, anyway. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
Edited by - Rinonalyrna Fathomlin on 02 Jul 2006 03:57:02 |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2006 : 03:56:21
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Originally posted by El Magnifico Uno
RF (and everybody else) - Definitely check out Moorcock's Elric saga, it's one of the classics and had a HUGE impact on the fantasy genre..
All right, I'll think about it. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2006 : 04:12:40
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From the Journal of Gromph Baenre, Archmage of Menzoberranzan and Firstboy of House Baenre
Today, I did something I'm not proud of. I killed an apprentice. Yes, he was plotting to assasinate me, but after having trapped him with a spell and letting him know that I had him at my mercy, so many things could have happened. In the end, I just killed him outright, cutting his throat, and letting his lifesblood flow upon my casting room floor.
Such a waste. I grow even more frustrated the more I think about it. I know spells that would have allowed me to rip his heart out and show it to him before he died. Now I'll never know what his face would have looked like then . . . and the blood! I could have scribed necromantic scrolls, summoned demons. I really have to stay focused when I decide to kill off apprentices in the future.
I was also thinking about my dear sister. After all we have been through, I realize now that blood is thicker than water. That being the case, if I could make blood THINNER than water, it wouldn't clot, and she would bleed out before she could heal herself. I'll have to ponder this some more. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 02 Jul 2006 : 04:30:25
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| Thank you, KEJR...that seems about right! |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2006 : 13:41:47
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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Originally posted by khorne
What I would like very much would be for Salvatore to have some other characters than Drizzt have those long introspections in the books. At first it was nice, but after a dozen books it became quite......boring. I would love to hear Bruenor introspecting like that.
With phonetic spellings of his accent? Please no.
We know that Salvatore is going to put someones introspections into the book. It is inevitable. So why not someone else than Drizzt? |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jul 2006 : 17:15:29
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| There's already one pretentious, melodramatic character -- Drizzt. Why turn another into the same type? |
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Arkhaedun
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 03 Jul 2006 : 21:49:55
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We are moving away from discussing the novel and its release date and moving into attacks on the author and his characters. Lets focus on the original topic or move along. Thanks.
If you have any questions or concerns, please feel free to PM me. |
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riverc0il
Acolyte
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Posted - 03 Jul 2006 : 22:05:36
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Perhaps I missed something, where was the attack on either Mr. Salvatore or his characters?
In reference to the next book, I also hope that the introspective introductions would feature other characters. Ideally, those not even related to the main heros. Personally, I have grown tired of the introspection and prefer seeing characters inner thoughts brought out by conversation and action instead of omnipotent journey entries. But it would be nice to perhaps get the bad guy's perspective on things. Perhaps Obould? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2006 : 23:12:43
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Originally posted by Arkhaedun
We are moving away from discussing the novel and its release date and moving into attacks on the author and his characters.
Where are the attacks on the author? Is criticism of an author's work considered to be, by extension, an attack on the author?
And I'm not going to discuss this via PM, because I feel that this would be helpful for everyone who posts here to know, not just those who decide to PM you about it. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 03 Jul 2006 : 23:15:58
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Originally posted by riverc0il
Perhaps I missed something, where was the attack on either Mr. Salvatore or his characters?
In reference to the next book, I also hope that the introspective introductions would feature other characters. Ideally, those not even related to the main heros. Personally, I have grown tired of the introspection and prefer seeing characters inner thoughts brought out by conversation and action instead of omnipotent journey entries. But it would be nice to perhaps get the bad guy's perspective on things. Perhaps Obould?
Or, how about the perspective of someone who is just a minor character? I rather like it when Ed Greenwood does that in his books.
I don't necessarily mean via a "journal entry" type thing, though. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
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Hoondatha
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Jul 2006 : 01:31:08
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Actually, I think the most interesting "character talking directly about their views/feelings" I've read was written by RAS: Entreri's letter in Servant of the Shard. Talk about an unreliable narrator.
But yeah, I agree with many here that I'd like to see him do something different for this next book. Let's give him credit, he's managed to find a pattern that more or less works and sells gobs of books, but he's been working from the same mould for over a decade (and even copied it over into Demonwars), and it'd be nice to see something different. Because I don't think I even bothered to read the introspections in his past three or four books. |
Doggedly converting 3e back to what D&D should be...
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Crust
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jul 2006 : 04:07:14
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I, personally, hope that Drizzt never goes away. I would hate for him to get killed. He certainly can't die before he runs into Entreri again.
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I felt somewhat cheated by the Hunters Blades Trilogy. I enjoyed it, but I felt like Breunor, Wulfgar, and Drizzt were doing everything with a -2 to their rolls (). I wanted Drizzt to pummel Obould like Steven Seagal pummeled Richie in Out for Justice. Total domination. His friends were dead, the Hunter was on deck, he had nothing more to lose... He's defeated drow weapon masters, fought several battles against Entreri, and bested a marilith demon one-on-one. I had trouble seeing Drizzt balk fighting Obould. Not that I think it was garbage. I was just irked a bit is all.
The Khazid-hea variable was awesome, and I'd love to see if that sword has a major role in the next book.
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"That's right, hurl back views that force ye to think by name-calling - 'tis the grand old tradition, let it not down! Anything to keep from having to think, or - Mystra forfend - change thy own views!"
Narnra glowered at her father. "Just how am I to learn how to think? By being taught by you?"
"Some folk in the Realms would give their lives for the chance to learn at my feet," Elminster said mildly. "Several already have."
~from Elminster's Daughter, Ed Greenwood |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
7106 Posts |
Posted - 04 Jul 2006 : 07:35:29
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| I don't want Drizzt to die, necessarily, but I would like to see something new and different done with him, for a change. |
"Instead of asking why we sleep, it might make sense to ask why we wake. Perchance we live to dream. From that perspective, the sea of troubles we navigate in the workaday world might be the price we pay for admission to another night in the world of dreams."
--Richard Greene (letter to Time) |
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Winterfox
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 04 Jul 2006 : 12:34:24
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We are moving away from discussing the novel and its release date and moving into attacks on the author and his characters.
Where is the "attacks on the author", please? |
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New Drizzt novel by R.A. Salvatore in Oct 2007
