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Bladedancer
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 14:48:20
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To give one of the dm's I game with a break I have beem commisioned to rule in his stead. There are certain gods I think I will delete from my version of the realms and add a few also. I am getting rid of Kelemvor, Cyric and Big Daddy Bane (well keeping him dead anyway). I am keeping Xvim alive (inspired by Knight Errant jr.'s thread ), the draconic pantheon and making a few elven demigods. Including an evil one to give more options than Lolth and company. So my question to you folks is what deities have you added or deleted from your pantheon of the realms?
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Mercenary For Hire
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 15:00:27
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Well, I skipped the whole Time of Trouble thing and the changes that made in the realms pantheon. There are several of the gods that have been introduced since the gray box that I usually don't consider and that I, at least to a degree, would change. I have kept the beast cults that were in the first draft of the pantheon in Dragon and a form for spirit world with religious elements in some areas of the Realms
I have made several changes to the realms religions and gods, but I usually keep the gods in one form or an other. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 15:28:11
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Well, in my *official* Realms campaign... the Time of Troubles never actually occured. So all the deities that existed prior to that RSE in the canon FR still exist in my campaign. That means, no ascended Cyric, Kelemvor or Midnight/Mystra. Bane's still the Lord of Strife... with Bhaal and Myrkul still holding their portfolios.
In fact... in terms of the deities and the pantheons in MY Realms... I really haven't deviated all that much from what was detailed in the Ol' Grey Box and what Ed's mentioned here at Candlekeep with regard to the deities in his home campaign.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 16:03:21
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Originally posted by The Sage
Well, in my *official* Realms campaign... the Time of Troubles never actually occured. So all the deities that existed prior to that RSE in the canon FR still exist in my campaign. That means, no ascended Cyric, Kelemvor or Midnight/Mystra. Bane's still the Lord of Strife... with Bhaal and Myrkul still holding their portfolios.
In fact... in terms of the deities and the pantheons in MY Realms... I really haven't deviated all that much from what was detailed in the Ol' Grey Box and what Ed's mentioned here at Candlekeep with regard to the deities in his home campaign.
Same with me but I've added some deities that I felt were lacking in mostly the elven and dark elven pantheons. Otherwise, I keep all the monstrous deities as well because I like deities and I want a lot of them and I don't feel that the monstrous races should worship the Faerun pantheon.
Otherwise, same with me and the ToT's thing, never happened and so the old deities are still there.
However, old moldy did "die" and Finder ascended but old moldy might not be as dead as people think and no Lloth doesn't have any of his portfolios. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31777 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 16:13:48
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Originally posted by Kuje
Otherwise, I keep all the monstrous deities as well because I like deities and I want a lot of them and I don't feel that the monstrous races should worship the Faerun pantheon.
That's exactly the reason why I've long supported the concept of keeping the various monstrous pantheons intact. Monsters worshipping Faerunian gods just doesn't always seem right...
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However, old moldy did "die" and Finder ascended but old moldy might not be as dead as people think and no Lloth doesn't have any of his portfolios.
Moander's a curious case in MY Realms -- not properly dead and not truly alive. Finder did ascend... but it was never a complete ascension -- so he's more like a partial power -- not truly a demigod and but not exactly mortal. It's because of this that many, in my FR, still believe Moander exists in some way... preventing Finder's complete rise as a true power.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 16:26:28
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As I always had a little trouble with one religion for all humans, I have tried to, at least partly, build different pantheons for the main human groups of the realms using pseudonyms from the three godbooks and overlapping portfolios.
Some of these pantheons are only interesting as a point of origin whilst some are still a cultural factor in some areas the gods are the same but the name and religious doctrines may vary. No culture has all the gods, but one can always find some believers. |
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Mazrim_Taim
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 18:16:04
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| Hmm, how do you guys deal with certain players? A lot of my players in my last game had read the forgotten realms novels, so it was kind of hard for me to tell them to ignore the whole Time of Troubles thing. Therefore, in my last game anyway, it happened. But I do like the idea of keeping the old dieties (i still have the 1st edition boxed set). |
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
USA
1618 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 18:50:11
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| I try to keep to current Canon realms events. If I don't like something, I may not use it as a focal point of a campaign, but my players are the main focus regardless. I like to use current events as flavor to an existing world, not have my players be a part of it really. They are busy doing their own thing. As far as Gods/ goddesses, I mainly use them for divine explainations for spells with clerics, priest, druids etc. I don't get to heavily involved with which one is doing what. A good example is that a cleric in my campaign would know which churches are allies, rivals, or enemies of his own church. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 20:30:26
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Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim
Hmm, how do you guys deal with certain players? A lot of my players in my last game had read the forgotten realms novels, so it was kind of hard for me to tell them to ignore the whole Time of Troubles thing. Therefore, in my last game anyway, it happened. But I do like the idea of keeping the old dieties (i still have the 1st edition boxed set).
Either those players come to understand that my FR isn't the same as canon, or they leave/get kicked out if they keep arguing with me about it. I have patience about it but when it gets to be a continuous arguement, then that's when I draw the line. I've had to much in game history/geography/deities/etc change due to running games in FR for over ten years ever since 2e and so my FR isn't the same as TSR's/WOTC's. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Mace Hammerhand
Great Reader
Germany
2296 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jun 2006 : 22:53:21
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| I keep very much in line with the canon gods, since I started DMing the realms well after the time of troubles...but maybe, just maybe I will let my players get involved in War of the Spider Queen, I always felt that the novels were lacking in terms of the surface elves and their pantheon really not doing anything |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 01:42:22
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Originally posted by Mazrim_Taim
Hmm, how do you guys deal with certain players? A lot of my players in my last game had read the forgotten realms novels, so it was kind of hard for me to tell them to ignore the whole Time of Troubles thing. Therefore, in my last game anyway, it happened. But I do like the idea of keeping the old dieties (i still have the 1st edition boxed set).
Which is exactly the reason why I have two FR campaigns running. One is the official one, that I outlined above and the other campaign the one in which certain canonical events have been utilised, including the ToT, and thus it follows much of what happened in the lore after the ToT in the Realms -- including the Tuigan Invasion and the Return of the Shades for example.
Those players comfortable with things as they are in my non-ToT campaign participate in that one. While those with an interest in the ToT and worshipping deities who are not otherwise recognised in my non-ToT campaign, follow this second campaign.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 01:59:14
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My divine changes
Orcus is dead, Gareth Dragonsbane destroyed the Wand of Orcus and Kiranshee finished him off. Any Clerics who continue to worship Orcus are having there spells granted by Velshoon.
Bahumut exists (Although Ive heard he will officially return to Cannon FR in DoF)
Mykrul is still lives inside his crown for now but if the crown ever comes in contact with the powdered bones of the Dracolich in Eric Boyds Eye of Mykrul module then he will be reborn as a Demigod (His divine stats will be based on the Dragon god Falazure from the Draconomicon) Mykrul will be a part of the Dragon and Faerunian Pantheon and he'll attempt to convert Cult of Dragon Worshipers, Dracolichs and Evil Dragonkind to his worship. Mykrul/Falazure will have a NE alignment so he will be able to have Dragon Clerics from all of the evil Dragon races (Unlike the LE Tiamat) |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 03:02:28
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My campaign is pretty much canon for deities, though I never "deleted" any of the gods from Monster Mythology, for example, since I agree with Sage that it seems odd that the elves and dwarves and gnomes and halfings all bring their pantheons with them, but not the other species of creatures.
There might also be a few "hidden" gods around. For example, I have a sleeping neutral orc god that has been imprisioned since the Orcgate wars because he wasn't warlike enough for Grummsh.
Oh, and I think I have finally settled on running my campaign with Xvim still alive and impersonating Bane, as I came up with in a few of my brainstorming sessions here at the keep.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 07:16:20
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Originaly posted by Mazrim Taim
Hmm, how do you guys deal with certain players? A lot of my players in my last game had read the forgotten realms novels, so it was kind of hard for me to tell them to ignore the whole Time of Troubles thing. Therefore, in my last game anyway, it happened. But I do like the idea of keeping the old dieties (i still have the 1st edition boxed set
Well, my players generally agree with me that the changes made by the Time of Trouble were unnecessary. If I plan to change important parts of cannon I generally either discuss it with my players or make sure that it is a point they don't now or care about. One important point, I have made it a point to start campaigns around 1340; this gives me time to see the effects of new products and how i want to develop the realms accordingly. In addition, I then have relative freedom for the next ten years before the heavily detailed period of the realms starts.
Now, if i were to play with players who opposed me derailing the cannon so to speak, I would respect this and play the campaign their way. As of jet, players have liked my changes and worked with me.
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 07:35:07
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| in my 'world' the only major diffence from the 3.5 FR core book is that Azuth never became wellknown south of the line between Westgate and candlekeep. and Mystra is only a somewhat distent godess... instead Servas is the main magic deity down there |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
USA
357 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 13:38:13
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I have made a number of changes to the divine structure of the realms. One of the largest being the absorption of the Mulhandori (sp?) pantheon into the “main” Realmsian one. (Well, at least the process of it; the events are still taking place.)
Almost no god ever truly dies. I use the ToT, but Myrky is hiding in his crown, Bhaal has Xvim-like plans through the Bhallspawn, Moander is biding his time (as per PoF), Leira is slowly driving Cyric more and more insane (again) and lives in his skull, etc, etc, etc.
I keep all the monster deities. I’ve added a few gods from the WoTC “races of X” line to the pantheons (some with events, some with retcons).
I’ve spent so much time trying to think of which trickster deity to import into the realms, or if I should make up a new one, that I’ve decided to turn my own indecision into a game element, but having some of the divine confusion let a few trickster deities into the realms at the same time, where they need to fight or merge to determine who gets to hold the portfolio.
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Ergdusch
Master of Realmslore
Germany
1720 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 14:13:04
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I my campaign I am using the canon FR as much as possible, even though the last events have really wracked havoc around the realms. there was hardly a place where you could walk without stumbling into war! (Orc war, dragon rage, Invation of the city of shade, chaos in the underdark...)
However, working with the gods after the ToT is somewhat troublesome as well, because they are or better have to be so much more "in touch" with their worshippers. The problem is to get that point across to my player characters (none of them are FR novel readers). For them the gods are far away and hardly interested in their adventuring carrier. I rather would like them to remember that their every action is relevant to one god or the other. Especially my dwarven cleric just does not get it down resurrecting the elfen mage that has never even worked in favor of a single dwarf ever again and again.
Maybe my fault? Should Moradin grant the prayer or refuse it? Should the "faithless" mage be lost on the Plane of Fugeeswithout a God to collect his soul? Or is it more or less irrelevant due to keeping the game flowing and fun?
Answers and opinion appreciated.
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Jorkens
Great Reader
Norway
2950 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 14:45:43
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Well, I don't know how your players would react to "punishment" from the gods, but in my opinion it is right to not give spells to a priest who forgets he is a priest. Then again, this has much to do with playing-style and difficult to answer.
You could use signs from the gods and reward the occasional prayer to the gods to show the players that the gods are watching. Dreams can also be used albeit sparingly.
As you said, fun is the most important part, so if you don't feel the religious aspect is important and your players really don't want any focus on it, just ignore it. I know I am not giving much useful advise here, so all I can say is try out some discreet ideas and if your players catch the bait increase the role of religion to the level you want. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jun 2006 : 17:12:26
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Originally posted by Jindael
I’ve spent so much time trying to think of which trickster deity to import into the realms, or if I should make up a new one, that I’ve decided to turn my own indecision into a game element, but having some of the divine confusion let a few trickster deities into the realms at the same time, where they need to fight or merge to determine who gets to hold the portfolio.
Yay for Tricksters! 
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 19:19:15
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Originally posted by Dargoth
My divine changes
Orcus is dead, Gareth Dragonsbane destroyed the Wand of Orcus and Kiranshee finished him off. Any Clerics who continue to worship Orcus are having there spells granted by Velshoon.
Bahumut exists (Although Ive heard he will officially return to Cannon FR in DoF)
Mykrul is still lives inside his crown for now but if the crown ever comes in contact with the powdered bones of the Dracolich in Eric Boyds Eye of Mykrul module then he will be reborn as a Demigod (His divine stats will be based on the Dragon god Falazure from the Draconomicon) Mykrul will be a part of the Dragon and Faerunian Pantheon and he'll attempt to convert Cult of Dragon Worshipers, Dracolichs and Evil Dragonkind to his worship. Mykrul/Falazure will have a NE alignment so he will be able to have Dragon Clerics from all of the evil Dragon races (Unlike the LE Tiamat)
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Sarephim
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 20:43:05
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In my version of FR things are pretty much the same diety wise. Except for a certian "Bhaalspawn" who's name isn't Abdel that attined godhood. My current PC is a Paladin in the sevice of said former Bhaalspawn now turned God.
Mask is a IP having gained back his Inrigue Portfolio from Cryic, but really that's the sum of all my changes. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 20:48:26
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Mask invented the internet in your Realms?
Oh, wait . . . Intermediate Power . . . got it . . . |
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Sarephim
Acolyte
USA
33 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jun 2006 : 20:50:53
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Mask invented the internet in your Realms?
Oh, wait . . . Intermediate Power . . . got it . . .
Of course he did the sneaky bugger that he is... imagine Gond's surpise |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2006 : 01:25:04
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Mask invented the internet in your Realms?
Oh, wait . . . Intermediate Power . . . got it . . .
That would be the Shadoweb
The creation of the Shadoweb quickly led to the following
Waukeen files a huge number of IPOs
Oghma creates a website for an online book store called Chultan
Sune setting up an online Dating service site
Sharess and Lliira create the first XXX site on the Shadowed www.Hotgoddess.gond.bw
A group of CN clerics of Oghma create a Spell swapping program called Spellster which allowed a Wizard to learn any spell in existence for free
Mystra and a number of prominient Spell creating Arch Mage (Including most of the Red wizards of Thay) sue the clerics of Oghma claiming theyve violated the Wizards interllectual property rights
Lolth declares that the Shadoweb should be censored and that if the other gods dont agree to this then she will create a rivial version of the Shadoweb which she dubbed the Demonweb
In Shadowdale Elminster the Sage is pleasantly suprised that hes no longer getting visits from Adventurers seeking infomation on this that Ancient ruin or spell cache. This pleasant feeling lasts a few moments when he turns around and notices that his study is covered in stacks of paper from adventurers requesting infomation from him. Gond invents GMail
A certain Thayan Zuikir founds a rivial to the Chultan he calls Szass & Tam the store sells cheap Thayan Magic items and promises to ship them anywhere in Faerun using Thays new point to point delivery service Darkenbeast Express
The Fire Knives create an Anti Goverment website called the Cormyrian Militia
Cyrics creates SPAM, Shadoweb users are flooded with a huge number of Gmails every day selling everything from Lance Enlargements to diet pills
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36805 Posts |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Sian
Senior Scribe
Denmark
596 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jun 2006 : 09:12:12
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| where do you get it :D |
what happened to the queen? she's much more hysterical than usual
She's a women, it happens once a month |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 21 Jun 2006 : 16:01:23
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| My campaign is exactly the same as cannon. All the deities are the same. If I want to have Bhaal and Myrkul and all that pre-TOT stuff, then I will set the campaign BEFORE that time. The only way to have your cake and eat it too (have cannon campaign and now dead deities not dead). Of course, I'm a big fan of Cyric so a campaign set before ToT won't be coming from me just yet :) |
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What deities didn't make the cut in your campaign?
