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Jindael
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 Posted - 08 May 2006 : 15:27:05
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Putting all talk of non-existiant planes in 3.X aside, could someone direct me to, or inform me of any information dealing with the planetouched from the Quasi and Para elemental planes. I recall looking at a page not to long ago that had Planescape stuff for 3.X, and I thought it might have had links to these races, but I have since lost the link.
On a related note: I can see where Steam, Ash, etc planetouched come from, but are there such things as Positive or Negative energy Planetouched? If so….erm…how exactly does that happen? Are there critters on these planes? And Vacuum? How does that happen?
(See how I always called them planetouched? It’s because I can’t remember how to spell Genesai.)
Now, to touch briefly on the planes themselves, or at least where they intersect the Realms; where would be the most likely places for these Quasi-Para planetouched to be in the Realms, without stepping on the toes of the already written ones. (Fire and Air in Calimshan, etc.)
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 16:12:59
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Originally posted by Jindael
Putting all talk of non-existiant planes in 3.X aside, could someone direct me to, or inform me of any information dealing with the planetouched from the Quasi and Para elemental planes. I recall looking at a page not to long ago that had Planescape stuff for 3.X, and I thought it might have had links to these races, but I have since lost the link.
You're probably thinking of "The Roaming Genasi Tavern" -- 'tis one of the PS projects I helped out on back in 2000. See here:- http://users.erols.com/aburner/planescape/
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On a related note: I can see where Steam, Ash, etc planetouched come from, but are there such things as Positive or Negative energy Planetouched? If so….erm…how exactly does that happen? Are there critters on these planes? And Vacuum? How does that happen?
(See how I always called them planetouched? It’s because I can’t remember how to spell Genesai.)
The 2e Inner Planes sourcebook might interest you here. The site I linked to above also provides some thoughts on this... taken from canon sources in 2e.
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Jindael
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 17:31:43
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Originally posted by The Sage
You're probably thinking of "The Roaming Genasi Tavern" -- 'tis one of the PS projects I helped out on back in 2000. See here:- http://users.erols.com/aburner/planescape/
That’s exactly the site I was looking at. Thanks.
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The 2e Inner Planes sourcebook might interest you here. The site I linked to above also provides some thoughts on this... taken from canon sources in 2e.
I suppose that this isn’t one of those books that is available for free on the WotC site, is it? Pique my interest here; is the book worth it if I’m mostly just curious about where P/Q-planetouched could have come from? (I’m not in the least bit concerned about the environs, just the inhabitants.)
And would you be the person to talk to about the mechanics of the race?
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Kuje
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 19:31:48
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Jindael
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 20:15:23
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Originally posted by Kuje
Issue #293 and #297 of Dragon has some 3e stats for Genasi.
That’s good to know. Could you give me an overview of what the articles are about? Is it all primary elemental planetouched, or does it deal with the Para/Quasi type? Is it just feats and prestige classes? Is it FR specific, or general?
Or, rather, is there a Dragon Magazine Index that will give me this information?
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Kuje
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Posted - 08 May 2006 : 20:20:36
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Originally posted by Jindael
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Originally posted by Kuje
Issue #293 and #297 of Dragon has some 3e stats for Genasi.
That’s good to know. Could you give me an overview of what the articles are about? Is it all primary elemental planetouched, or does it deal with the Para/Quasi type? Is it just feats and prestige classes? Is it FR specific, or general?
Or, rather, is there a Dragon Magazine Index that will give me this information?
They discuss the Genasi from the various elemental planes. :) No, it's not FR specific and so it's general info on the races. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 09 May 2006 : 01:37:24
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Originally posted by Jindael
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Originally posted by Kuje
Issue #293 and #297 of Dragon has some 3e stats for Genasi.
That’s good to know. Could you give me an overview of what the articles are about? Is it all primary elemental planetouched, or does it deal with the Para/Quasi type? Is it just feats and prestige classes? Is it FR specific, or general?
Specifically, the #293 article discusses genasi from the Earth, Air, Fire and Water planes. The #297 article covers para-genasi:- Dust, Ice, Magma, Ooze, Smoke and Steam.
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Or, rather, is there a Dragon Magazine Index that will give me this information?
There is a DRAGON Magazine index -- but it provides only article, author and issue details. See here:- http://www.aeolia.net/dragondex/
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The Sage
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Posted - 09 May 2006 : 01:39:50
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Originally posted by Jindael
I suppose that this isn’t one of those books that is available for free on the WotC site, is it? Pique my interest here; is the book worth it if I’m mostly just curious about where P/Q-planetouched could have come from? (I’m not in the least bit concerned about the environs, just the inhabitants.)
It doesn't provide a whole lot on inhabitants... just a few sentences to a paragraph for each elemental plane.
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And would you be the person to talk to about the mechanics of the race?
No. 3e Mechanics and rules aren't my thing... 'tis the lore I love  . Sorry.
You're likely better off discussing the mechanics-side of the genasi with either Arivia or Warlockco.
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scererar
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 May 2006 : 02:15:09
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Jindael
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Posted - 09 May 2006 : 13:45:11
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Originally posted by The Sage
Specifically, the #293 article discusses genasi from the Earth, Air, Fire and Water planes. The #297 article covers para-genasi:- Dust, Ice, Magma, Ooze, Smoke and Steam.
Figures. The one’s I’m mostly interested in are Positive, Negative and Void. But I think that I’ll try and find a way to pick that one up.
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It doesn't provide a whole lot on inhabitants... just a few sentences to a paragraph for each elemental plane.
Ah, well. Not quite what I’m looking for. I just want info on…what do you planewalkers call them? Primes?
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No. 3e Mechanics and rules aren't my thing... 'tis the lore I love . Sorry.
You're likely better off discussing the mechanics-side of the genasi with either Arivia or Warlockco.
Fair enough. So I’ll throw the question out there. For those who are familiar with the stats provided on http://users.erols.com/aburner/planescape/ (or want to go and take a look) do you find that the balance is right if you remove the native outsider trait and bring them down to LA0 (As per the Players Guide to Faerun. )
Also, do you think that the Negative and Positive planetouched are balanced to start with? Seems to me that the Positive people got a little shafted.
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unearthed arcana does have quite a bit of info on different bloodlines and such, it might get you close to what you are looking for
The bloodline options are very interesting, and I’m planning on working them into my game soon enough. The bloodlines are great for Fey or Giantblooded (etc…) creatures, but they don’t have a lot of options for the more exotic planetouched. Thanks though. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 09 May 2006 : 15:08:23
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Originally posted by Jindael
Figures. The one’s I’m mostly interested in are Positive, Negative and Void. But I think that I’ll try and find a way to pick that one up.
Well, the work-ups for the Positive and Negative Genasi provided at the Roaming Genasi have both had "unofficial" approval from game designers as I recall, both on the planewalker.com forums and the DEITIES section at WotC.
I know that doesn't mean much, but until we've seen a more official working, you should consider those just as applicable.
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Ah, well. Not quite what I’m looking for. I just want info on…what do you planewalkers call them? Primes?
Planars. Primes are inhabitants of Material Planes  .
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Jindael
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Posted - 09 May 2006 : 17:18:47
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Jindael
Figures. The one’s I’m mostly interested in are Positive, Negative and Void. But I think that I’ll try and find a way to pick that one up.
Well, the work-ups for the Positive and Negative Genasi provided at the Roaming Genasi have both had "unofficial" approval from game designers as I recall, both on the planewalker.com forums and the DEITIES section at WotC.
I know that doesn't mean much, but until we've seen a more official working, you should consider those just as applicable.
I find the explanations for the Planetouched at Roaming Genasi to be exceptionally well done, except for a niggling balance issue with the stats, and I’m more than willing to accept them as “close enough to cannon to be true” without difficulty. It’s just that there isn’t a lot of detail available for the genasi that I want to explore more in depth.
But a blank slate is just as good tons of lore for me, just more work. ;)
Unfortunately, it has the side effect of making me more interested in Planescape (at least Sigil, I still don’t want to bother with hopping around to the other planes casually) than I ever have been. Like I didn’t have enough lack of time already to read Realms stuff.
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Para/Quasi elemental Planetouched.
