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Aaron L
Acolyte

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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 :  04:56:38  Show Profile  Visit Aaron L's Homepage Send Aaron L a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Have there been any elven noble titles beyond Coronal revealed? I was wondering what the equivalent to, say, knights, barons, dukes, etc, would be in elven realms, modern or ancient. Additionally, are there any formal rules to elven heraldry? The established insignia of various elven houses (from Cormanthyr:EoE and such) dont seem to follow much of a standard. And how do the Heralds handle elven titles and arms> Do trhey recognize them?


I was going with the idea that the Heralds (since they were once Harpers) recognized elven arms in a sort of "grandfather clause" arrangement, exempting them from standard rules.


I hope this isnt a silly question :) I have a character who is descended from a noble house of Shantel Orthreier, his family having declined in importance over the millenia, and just would like any background in this area.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 :  05:11:31  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Im pretty sure theres some of this stuff in the various Myth Drannor 2ed Books

I remember the name for an Elven Knight is given in LEOF (Its awarded to a Halfling who is eventually bumped off by one of he Elven houses)

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Aaron L
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 :  05:13:43  Show Profile  Visit Aaron L's Homepage Send Aaron L a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That would be Armathor, I'm just not sure if thats a generic term for knight or specific to Myth Drannor.

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George Krashos
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 :  06:36:59  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Ed told Eric and I once that the term "laranlor" (female: "laranla") is used for an elven ruler of a realm that isn't big enough to warrant the use of the term "coronal". I'm thinking that Iliphar Nelnueve, the ruler of "Cormyr" (before it was Cormyr) would have been a laranlor.

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Aaron L
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 :  06:39:21  Show Profile  Visit Aaron L's Homepage Send Aaron L a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Nifty, thanks!

As an asie, my characters name is Rhaethiir Iliphar Vytheryl N'Vyn. Named (in part) after that very same Iliphar :)

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Zireael
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Posted - 27 Oct 2010 :  20:06:41  Show Profile  Visit Zireael's Homepage Send Zireael a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Scroll necromancy xD

I like to think that Iliphar had a dragon as his "insignia" after the Feint of Honor, and that is why modern-day Cormyr has it too.
And yeah, he does not qualify for a coronal, he most probably was a laranlor.
Speaking of which, I'm looking for info on him.

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