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Charles Phipps
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Dargoth
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 Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 07:39:51
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Interesting question for you all. How does one go about courting a Princess in FR?
Depends on the Princess if your talking about Alusair SHE probably courts YOU |
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silvermage
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 08:07:19
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Interesting question for you all. How does one go about courting a Princess in FR?
Depends on the Princess if your talking about Alusair SHE probably courts YOU
Alusair favors her boys who ride with her regularly and given thatshe had such a fiery temper and hard-to-tame shrew, I can recommend that it would be more worthwhile to court other princesses than Alusair. Alusair is simply not worth the effort, and neither is she the type to sit down and go through the beuracratic stuff unlike Queen Filfaeril.
As to the original question, can I ask what kind of character is courting the fair lady's hand. Is he a prince or commoner?
Is he from an exotic and ancient background like the 12 lonely Princes of Shade or from established kingdoms like Tethyr and Evermeet?
Whatever it is, I am sure princesses seldom favor the walk-in smiling sweet-talking suitors, rather I think an accident or stumbling into an adventure of some sort that allows the meeting of the royal lady and the would-be suitor would be more appropriate as it would be easier for the suitor to court the lady through demonstration and testing of his character and principles in real-life situations that will better prove the suitor's qualities than just empty flattery and sweet words. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 17:20:10
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Interesting question for you all. How does one go about courting a Princess in FR?
First you show up in your pimped-out carriage, with the audible glamer spells blasting out some excellent tunes by her favorite bard...   |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 17:39:47
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Well you could just Charm her as well, or at least try.
There is no direct answer to the question, a lot depends on the target and a lot depends on the suitor.
A visiting King will have a much better chance then the stable boy does of winning the heart of a princess. In the end perhaps a commonor will be more sucessful then a noble or hero of the realm. |
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Charles Phipps
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Chataro
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 18:25:19
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| I think u should just try to charm her father instead. IIRC, royal marriages were usually decided by the king and not by the princess |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 18:39:43
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Well marriage is one thing, some royals were married at very young ages (I see to recall a case of one prince being 3 years old), coutship is another.
Marriage can be purchased, forced by treaty etc.
Wining affection of such enforced marriage requires courting, just in this case it happens after marriage.
It also though is a valid point that often to court a priness you need parental consent to even get close to her. The stable boy might not be noticed as servents are often unseen. However the stable boy would need to handle the princesses mount or have other reasons to speak to her. |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 18:51:52
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| One way that worked was to help her flee from some ghazneths. With a bit of luck you won't need parental acceptance even if you're a Cormaeril |
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Kuje
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Posted - 02 Apr 2006 : 19:04:59
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Of course, in FR, it would vary by land to land and city to city. As would marriages, which would vary from deity to deity, etc. Further, parents selecting marriage for thier daughter would as well.
I'm going to say it again: Don't base FR material on RL material from our history, because our history doesn't always match up to what can be found in FR.
So, as usual, there's no hard and fast answer to this. Now if you narrow it down, then it might be easier to answer. |
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The Sage
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Posted - 03 Apr 2006 : 02:21:40
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Originally posted by Kuje
Of course, in FR, it would vary by land to land and city to city. As would marriages, which would vary from deity to deity, etc. Further, parents selecting marriage for thier daughter would as well.
That's pretty much what I would've said.
Each individual devotion and/or clergy likely handles elements relating to marriage rights and observes certain strictures on relationships between partners both before and after marriage, especially if the courting individuals are both members of the same church or their parents are for example. Dominate or "state" religions that hold sway over a large concentration of people in a village, town or city also likely have certain "established" agreements on how one would go about courting a noble or personage of royal blood.
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I'm going to say it again: Don't base FR material on RL material from our history, because our history doesn't always match up to what can be found in FR.
Always good advice to keep in mind when thinking about these types of questions.
And more importantly... since we no "hard and fast answer" to this as Kuje said... I'd add that you work up something for you own campaign that suits your individual tastes and the "tone" of your own FR and go with that.
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Charles Phipps
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sleyvas
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Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 18:03:28
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Courting a princess?
If its Alusair - little known 2nd lvl spell "selective enlargement"
If its Queen Sambryl (she ain't married, so she's looking <g>) - show up in some snazzy clothes and tell her she shouldn't let the council keep her so tied up. She needs to live life more.
If its King Gareth Dragonsbane's daughter - bring him some wine, wear your best armor, shower the peasants with gold, and never let the old man see you staring at his daughter's cleavage (your life depends on it).
If its Lhaeo's daughter - dude, she's probably only 2 years old, don't be a perv
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GungHo
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Posted - 04 Apr 2006 : 18:43:28
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Let's assume your stereotypical...
"No land necessarily but potentially hugely wealthy and saved your kingdom adventurers."
I would assume the stereotypical,
"There's no way I would give my daughter to uncouth, unlanded, unblooded, unruly adventurerers."
If the adventurer was an adventurer the way Azoun was (i.e. away from the kingdom, but a high noble in his own right), that'd be one thing. Money filling the treasury would be a possible selling point, but in that case, the adventurers are better off buying a large chunk of land and establishing it as a realm with themselves as the nobles (complete with dealing with the heralds, etc) BEFORE attempting to wed (and not just bed) a princess. Granted, this isn't like the real medieval/Rennaisance world where marriage was usually a way to seal alliances, but still... I don't see a royal agreeing to send his daughter off with some commoner whose only graces are sword swinging and grog swilling, especially if there are noble suitors waiting in the wings.
The princess might dally with you (see Alusair), but marriage is a different deal.
ETA: I do agree with everyone above, though, in that the general "this sounds good/this doesn't" would differ in the various realms. Sembian merchant lords, for example, may not have a problem selling their daughters to anyone with the right coin. Cause they're dirty Sembians. ;) |
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Shadovar
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Posted - 05 Apr 2006 : 01:42:41
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Let's assume your stereotypical...
"No land necessarily but potentially hugely wealthy and saved your kingdom adventurers."
Even if the adventurer is a commoner or some foreign noble, I think a cautious approach would be best when dealing with this adventurer who had your daughter's attention. Even if the adventurer is fabulously rich, powerful, even influential and won fame by defeating the foes of the kingodm(who knows he purposely engineered the events so that he can easily gain the trust of the besieged kingdom), I doubt the wisest lord/king/noble would allow his daughter to wed the adventurer. For the adventurer may appear heroic at one point in front of the lord/king/noble, but away from the lord/king/noble, the heroic adventurer turns into a monstrous alcoholic and violent man.
I doubt the sterotypical adventurer are the sort of to settle down on the realm then wed the lady for I am certain they will again wander around the world and seek more pretty faces to dally with while heroically dealing the next threat, they are not the kind to really commit to a single lasting relationship, afterall such relationships between adventurers and royal princesses always end up in tragedy. |
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Charles Phipps
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sleyvas
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Posted - 06 Apr 2006 : 15:33:22
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| Many adventurer's may gain titles and border baronies, but few would gain true noble standing just because they are powerful. A king is wise to give titles and such to adventurers to occupy their time, gather the fruit of their work, and turn a possible enemy into a friend..... but that wouldn't mean he would want the man spilling seed into his daughter. In a similar idea.... a millionaire in our world may appreciate a skilled carpenter, lawnkeeper, or auto mechanic for the work that they do (and may even reward them for an especially good job)... but few millionaires would welcome those same individuals into their family. |
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GungHo
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Posted - 06 Apr 2006 : 17:51:08
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Well I don't necessarily assume "adventurer" equals "mercenary" either.
For me, adventurers tend to be nobles and great wizards.
Well, that's for you. For the king/royal court, that may be different, depending on how many different adventurers rampagedtravelled through their realm or neighboring realms. |
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Reefy
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Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 15:26:38
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Originally posted by GungHo
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Well I don't necessarily assume "adventurer" equals "mercenary" either.
For me, adventurers tend to be nobles and great wizards.
Well, that's for you. For the king/royal court, that may be different, depending on how many different adventurers rampagedtravelled through their realm or neighboring realms.
And whether they distinguish between different groups. |
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silvermage
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Posted - 08 Apr 2006 : 02:50:45
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Originally posted by GungHo
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Originally posted by Charles Phipps
Well I don't necessarily assume "adventurer" equals "mercenary" either.
For me, adventurers tend to be nobles and great wizards.
Well, that's for you. For the king/royal court, that may be different, depending on how many different adventurers rampagedtravelled through their realm or neighboring realms.
I think in my opinion, the most common adventurers are the arrogant, reckless, carefree, foolhardy type of newbies who are just out of the academies and very new to adventuring and yet they believe they know everything about the realms and believing themselves capable of handling anything that comes their way. Such kind of adventurers are commonly found in mass graves or in some Kings' dungeon for their dallying with the royal ladies and noblewomen.
The other type of adventurer-which is also common- Kings and courts would reject would the pompous, imposing, swashbuckling, treasure-looters who seek to pillage and loot any ancient tombs of Kings and Royal Families or famous sites with no respect for the authorities in the lands and highly regard themselves as above the law and society that they would seek to bed the royal ladies just for the fun and pleasure it would bring and just abandon them and move on to the next state for more fun.
These two adventurers definitely won't buy themselves into any King's graces and more likely end up dead or experimental subjects. |
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