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Kentinal
Great Reader
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 Posted - 13 Apr 2006 : 21:08:37
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| Yes it is confusing on Drow ages, Ed posted recently that any elf 33 years old could adventure, having the reached near full growth, but had not reached maturity (in game terms I suspect there would be youth penality adjustments, to at least Dex and Wisdom, perhaps other stats as well). The standard Drow community does not have the time to grow up and mature, they start fighting to survive at age 0. They need to mature quicker in order to live at all. Even using 3.X sources it still appears Drow start fighting, adventuring at young ages even if they mature at the same rate as the fair elves. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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Feanor
Learned Scribe
100 Posts |
Posted - 13 Apr 2006 : 21:27:52
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Originally posted by Vainelus
Feanor it depends on what manual you read. Some scribes are operating under 2ed rules, others are operating under 3ed, or the novels and everyone is using different sources. According to the Player's Guide to Faerun pg 31,In 3.5 all elves(in Forgotten Realms) reach adulthood at 110. In 2ed edition drow had a shorter life spanned, I do not have the Drow of the Underdark with me at the moment to give an exact page number but 50 or 60 being adulthood sounds correct.
For instance, RotW is not necessarily the best source to look for information about the lives of elves in Faerun since the Greyhawk/Eberron elves are very different than the Elves in Realms. And Realms has several sources that are specific made for Realms that cover and contradict some information presented in RotW. It is entirely up to your group to decide which set of rules works best for your game.
When elves reach maturity in your game is really dependant on what source you choose to use novels, old realms products, new realms products, or DnD core books.
When I said drow reach complete adulthood at 50-60, I was relying on Cormanthyr age tables (which are in accord with the novels, BTW).
About Races of the Wild, you don't have to tell me to avoid that one, since I already dislike that book profoundly.
And I generally prefer to use the information which is more logical and more accurate, not the one which I like the best (that's why I pestered Ed to specify the age of adulthood for elves  )
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Yes it is confusing on Drow ages, Ed posted recently that any elf 33 years old could adventure, having the reached near full growth, but had not reached maturity (in game terms I suspect there would be youth penality adjustments, to at least Dex and Wisdom, perhaps other stats as well).
Ed said a 33 years old elf could adventure in quite the same manner a 12 years old kid could drive a truck.  |
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Vainelus
Seeker
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 04:48:33
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Well a 12 year old can kind of drive a truck....I mean it takes a lot to stop one so he would at least inflict a lot of damage before coming to a stop.
Ed's responses are the way to go. I generally like to stick with the novels and what Ed says as well.
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Feanor
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 14 Apr 2006 : 13:05:50
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Originally posted by Vainelus
Well a 12 year old can kind of drive a truck....I mean it takes a lot to stop one so he would at least inflict a lot of damage before coming to a stop.
Well, KIND OF... |
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Aquanova
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 19 Apr 2006 : 21:22:05
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Originally posted by Kentinal
Yes it is confusing on Drow ages, Ed posted recently that any elf 33 years old could adventure, having the reached near full growth, but had not reached maturity (in game terms I suspect there would be youth penality adjustments, to at least Dex and Wisdom, perhaps other stats as well).
Well, I guess since Ed hath spoken it is settled. 
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The standard Drow community does not have the time to grow up and mature, they start fighting to survive at age 0. They need to mature quicker in order to live at all. Even using 3.X sources it still appears Drow start fighting, adventuring at young ages even if they mature at the same rate as the fair elves.
Yet, this is odd too. If they've been fighting and struggling for survival since conception for all of these eons, wouldn't you think they'd evolve in their maturity rate would hasten, at least until "adulthood?" Hence my duergar/dwarf age proposal... but 'tis irrelevant. If Ed says it is so, then it is so. |
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Hunter In Darkness
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 08:39:44
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ok guys my frist post at the keep so overlook me if this has been posted in this scroll it is late and all but p.37 in CBOE 2e does have ages for childhood adolescence and adulthood now i know FR elves r diffent but that being said they decended from the prime elven races so ages should be close and the do seem better suited to the lifespane also elven pregnacys last for roughly 2 years which also seems correct.
ch adl adult
Aquatic 1-59 60-99 100-159
drow 1-49 50-79 80-100
grey{gold] 1-79 80-109 110-174
HIGH{moon} 1-74 75-109 110-174
sylvan 1-69 70-104 105-169
now in the PHB all elves start at 110 so high and grey seem to be the norm this being said a elf of 32 would be a child so the would look as a child round 9 or 10 mayhap 12 some skills they would lack however u could still play it would make fun rp after all a young confused elf trying to understand what that means humm sounds fun really now while there have been some young elves brought up in this scroll that for one dritz {sp} was a tenager when he left and his age would suport that the elf captain in myth dronnor also would be a teen ager but in a time of war so yeah i can also see that
thats my take on this ... oh and sorry for the necromancy i just pulled on this scroll |
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GothicDan
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 08:53:43
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Note that the Complete Book of Elves says that Elves do not mature at the same rate as humans, physically, so that 50 year old Elven lass could very well look like, well, a 12 year old girl. I think this is a little more in line with Ed's concept of demihuman aging as previously stated.
I think that a lot of people tend to "pretend" like Elves mature a lot quicker because they can't understand a childhood 100+ years long (as previously pointed out, despite the fact that an Elven childhood is more like a Human adulthood in many ways), and because then they have to actually think about 100 years of backstory.
I love doing this, myself. I once wrote 300 years of backstory for an Elven character; and 1,500 years for a Vampire character in VtM, with a lot of historical research included.
Ah, backstory and research. :) |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 13:12:51
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Originally posted by GothicDan
Note that the Complete Book of Elves says that Elves do not mature at the same rate as humans, physically, so that 50 year old Elven lass could very well look like, well, a 12 year old girl. I think this is a little more in line with Ed's concept of demihuman aging as previously stated.
I think that a lot of people tend to "pretend" like Elves mature a lot quicker because they can't understand a childhood 100+ years long (as previously pointed out, despite the fact that an Elven childhood is more like a Human adulthood in many ways), and because then they have to actually think about 100 years of backstory.
I love doing this, myself. I once wrote 300 years of backstory for an Elven character; and 1,500 years for a Vampire character in VtM, with a lot of historical research included.
Ah, backstory and research. :)
Yup! I fully agree with you!
And itīs very funny when you take a book like A Grand History of the Realms, or the regional sourcebooks, and start to tie the past of the character with the past of her home region.  |
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Salius Kai
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 23 Aug 2006 : 21:06:37
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This seems to have pretty much been figured out, but I thought I'd throw my two cents in anyways.
I agree with those saying that Elves physacaly mature at a slower rate than Humans. Even if the Elf had grown up in human lands, it might have been mentaly mature, he woudl still have the body of a ten year old (which sounds like a bad idea for adventuring). In fact, if the same Elf had grown up in Elven lands, he would probably even have the mentality of a ten year old.
So mentality wise your Elf might work, Feanor. But he would still be simply too physicaly young to do the required tasks of adventuring (like killing trolls), unless he was blessed with God powers, or something. |
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too young for an elf?
