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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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 Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 11:33:41
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So, I have no group to play with where I live, and too little experience to dare DM even in a PBEM-game, yet. But I hope one day , and one thing I do is try to anticipate questions I might get that one day.
Now, one I came up with recently was: If someone asks about the FR-equivalent to the gods mentioned in the religion-paragraph in the various new "base" classes, in particular the ones mentioned in the write-up of the Swashbuckler. One of the deities mentioned is the Core god of thieves (name escapes me atm), since he's renowned as being lucky. Now this obviously make it hard to translate it directly, and instead I'd mention Tymora, however, she's also big on valour - much like the next Core deity mentioned in the text... Now, if you were me, would you substitute both those deities with Tymora, or come up with another deity for either luck or valour?
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Fletcher
Learned Scribe
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 16:39:53
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Yes to all of the above. Of course my decision would be based on the situation at the time. I usually try to stick with gods that already exist, rather than come up with others.
If a player really wants to worship a deity that is not in any of the books I'll go with their wishes. The down side is simply that most people with never have heard of that particular deity.
If the player wanting to work outside the box is at least decent at role playing characters, a new deity could lead to some very entertaining situations. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 21:40:14
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| Okay, I expressed myself poorly. What I mean wasn't, "Do I invent another deity?" but rather, "Is there a second deity in the Faerūnian pantheon that fits one of those descriptions that I can name?" |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
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Fletcher
Learned Scribe
USA
299 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 23:03:10
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Lliira, Mask, Milil could be thought of as swashbuckler.
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jan 2006 : 23:38:21
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| I have to admit I have a problem with Mask and swashbucklers. At least the archetypal brash, high-profiled, "once more into the breach, my friends," swashbuckler. It just doesn't seem to go well with the deity of skulking in shadows and subtle intrigue (I deny you, Cyric!! You're an amateur!). |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Bluenose
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 15:49:12
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The Greyhawk/Core deity who's name you can't remember is Olidammara, though I'm not sure about that spelling. From the langer pantheon of Greyhawk deities I'd go with Rudd the Duellist, who seems perfect for a swashbuckler and who I think is mentioned in Complete Divine.
However, as for which deity a swashbuckler would favour in the Realms, I'd be inclined to say either Tymora or Tempus. It would depend whether they favour luck or skill to a degree.
In Tymora's favour, there's a general attitude that swashbucklers are lucky, it's one of their class abilities if I remember correctly, and the image they present of fighting in light or no armour and depending on agility seems quite appropriate.
For Tempus, there's the war god approach. While it's a bit different from the normal Tempan image, there doesn't seem any reason to say that he'd reject someone because they fight using agility. Certainly valour is a Tempan virtue, and chance is something that plays a part in wars, so it's not a stretch to suggest a swashbuckler who fights honourably could be a follower of Tempus.
A more evil swashbucklers could be a follower of Loviatar. I could imagine a swashbuckler, knowing his/her enemy was outclassed, repeatedly scarring an opponents face. Mask is also a reasonable choice, though it doesn't seem quite his style.
For non-human characters there are some fairly good options. Elves could follow Corellon with no problem, or possibly one of the other Elven gods interested in stealth. A swashbuckler gnome isn't too implausible, possible dual-classed with bard/illusionist and using magic to enhance their mystery - think Zorro with magic rather than devices. Brandobaris who seems like a good choice for halflings. |
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The hour when earth's foundations fled,
Followed their mercenary calling
And took their wages and are dead.
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They stood, and earth's foundations stay;
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 15:55:45
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I guess I'm not understanding what the problem would be with Tymora?
When I think Swashbucklers I think Tymora or Sune for some reason. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 16:45:45
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
I guess I'm not understanding what the problem would be with Tymora?
When I think Swashbucklers I think Tymora or Sune for some reason.
As do I for Tymora..... and Valkur. :) |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 16:48:05
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I guess I just throw Sune in there because I can see a Swashbuckling pretty boy with rapier asking for the guidance of Sune while fighting for the honor of a damsel in distress.
But Tymora makes the most sense in my opinion. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 17:09:48
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I forgot! Finder would work as well and I agree that Sune could work. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 18:24:59
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I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris“ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
If I had a halfling mother and a human father, would I be a half-halfling or a threequarterling? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jan 2006 : 21:05:37
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
I guess I'm not understanding what the problem would be with Tymora?
When I think Swashbucklers I think Tymora or Sune for some reason.
No problem with Tymora, I just didn't want to substitute two deities with one. So we'd be two in not understanding that. |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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Thauramarth
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
729 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jan 2006 : 22:27:54
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Originally posted by Kajehase
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
I guess I'm not understanding what the problem would be with Tymora?
When I think Swashbucklers I think Tymora or Sune for some reason.
No problem with Tymora, I just didn't want to substitute two deities with one. So we'd be two in not understanding that.
I think Tymora will be just fine - after all "luck favours the bold". Valour and luck, all in one, thankyouverymuch  |
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Volo
Seeker
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Posted - 31 Jan 2006 : 13:30:43
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| There's at least one more deity that comes to mind, at least for me, when thinking of swashbucklers, although it may sound odd at first. The Red Knight. I know what you're thinking. "The Red Knight? Has Volo lost it?" No. Consider. The Red Knight is the goddess of tactics, no? And there is NOTHING more tactical than a fencing match, take it from a fencer! It's chess in motion. And what is a swashbuckler but a fencer? That's EXACTLY the kind of person the Red Knight would love to have serving her. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 31 Jan 2006 : 14:06:47
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Originally posted by Volo
There's at least one more deity that comes to mind, at least for me, when thinking of swashbucklers, although it may sound odd at first. The Red Knight. I know what you're thinking. "The Red Knight? Has Volo lost it?" No. Consider. The Red Knight is the goddess of tactics, no? And there is NOTHING more tactical than a fencing match, take it from a fencer! It's chess in motion. And what is a swashbuckler but a fencer? That's EXACTLY the kind of person the Red Knight would love to have serving her.
I don't know. I always see the Red Knight as being more in lined with tactics in large scale battles. Like moving large troop formations into specific positions, more like being a General than a soldier. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2006 : 08:28:12
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| *g* Battles is strategy, not tactics |
There is a rumour going around that I have found god. I think is unlikely because I have enough difficulty finding my keys, and there is empirical evidence that they exist.
Terry Pratchett |
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