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Dargoth
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 Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 05:11:19
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Question: Can you apply the Fiendish Template to a Rat swarm?
From SRD under the "Fiendish" entry:quote:
“Fiendish” is an inherited template that can be added to any corporeal aberration, animal, dragon, fey, giant, humanoid, magical beast, monstrous humanoid, ooze, plant, or vermin of nongood alignment (referred to
hereafter as the base creature).
Also from SRD under creature type for a swarm (of Bats actually but it's essentially the same thing)...
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Diminutive Animal (Swarm)
So, since animal is listed as the type under swarm I would say that you can indeed add the fiendish template to a swarm of rats.
Yeah I read that but then I thought a Swarm is more than one creature
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Arivia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 05:11:55
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Question: Can you apply the Fiendish Template to a Rat swarm?
Yes. Note, however, that there's a very weird rules case there about the interaction between smite and swarm damage. |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 05:21:47
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Originally posted by Arivia
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Question: Can you apply the Fiendish Template to a Rat swarm?
Yes. Note, however, that there's a very weird rules case there about the interaction between smite and swarm damage.
You mean whether a Fiendish Rat swarm can Smite good and deal damage in the same round when therir sharing a square with their target? |
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Arivia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 05:24:19
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Yes. Note, however, that there's a very weird rules case there about the interaction between smite and swarm damage.
You mean whether a Fiendish Rat swarm can Smite good and deal damage in the same round when therir sharing a square with their target?
Yes. Essentially, swarms are the only creatures in the game that don't have an attack form that includes an attack roll, but the smite ability uses an attack roll in it. |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 05:31:41
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Hmm I might just give Yurtus a Fiendish Dire Rat then
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Arivia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 05:34:16
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Hmm I might just give Yurtus a Fiendish Dire Rat then
I'd highly suggest it. |
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Chosen of Bane
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 05:53:19
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I really can't wait to see this list of "Divine Allies".
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Dargoth
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 06:04:48
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Does anyone know if the Moon Horse was converted to 3ed/35? or if theres a horse closely associated with elves (Outside of Pegasus and Unicorns)
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Arivia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 06:26:57
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Does anyone know if the Moon Horse was converted to 3ed/35? or if theres a horse closely associated with elves (Outside of Pegasus and Unicorns)
Why not just use a celestial cooshee(updated in Races of the Wild)? |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 07:06:41
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SENT
You should all have mail |
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Edited by - Dargoth on 27 Dec 2005 07:13:45 |
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Arivia
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 08:39:55
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There are massive problems with the Divine Allies list.
First off-why are they not all outsiders or elementals? |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 27 Dec 2005 : 09:01:03
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Originally posted by Arivia
There are massive problems with the Divine Allies list.
First off-why are they not all outsiders or elementals?
The orgional idea was to assign them either Axiomatic/Anachic/Fiendish or Celestial however this fell down for True neutral which doesnt have an alignment template. I also found some other +1 Templates in some other source books
I was aiming for around a CR 3 or 4 for each Divine Ally (The orgional idea was for a heavy warhorse (CR2)plus the Template (+1 to CR)
However after having a look in Deities Does and Donts I found that most deities had an animal or associated monster so if it was around CR4 I went with it.
Some of them may need tinkering or replacing (The Aurils winter wolf and the Drow god of slimes Divine ally spring to mind)
One thing I am thinking of doing is making the Diivine Ally abit more flexiable in when you get it (for example a Champion of Auril may have to wait until there 10th level or so in order to get the Winter Wolf)
Edit: Ok I see what your talking about a mount has to be a minimum of 3 Challenge rating lower than the Crusader (as per the alternate mount rules in DMG) |
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Edited by - Dargoth on 27 Dec 2005 09:05:48 |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 04 Jan 2006 : 01:44:48
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Ok gone back to templates instead of specfic creatures and Ive got something for around 95% of the gods
However Oghma is proving to be a problem
As hes TN I cant use any of the alignment based templates
The closest thing I can think of is a Giant Owl which will have the same CR as a Heavy warhorse with a +1 template. The Oghma Divine ally would be a flat Giant Owl with no template. The Problem is the Giant Owl flies and the DMG says that a flying mount should have a CR 4 less than the Paladin/Crusaders level non flying mounts only have to be 3 less. This would mean that the a Crusader of Oghma wouldnt be able to get the Giant Owl until they where 7th level (everyone else gets theirs at 6th)
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