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warlockco
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Posted - 08 Dec 2005 :  07:50:11  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Not to be critical or anything, especially since I never had the fortune of playing or owning the original adventure.

But the Blackrazor seems a bit watered down from the storied I heard about it.

Anyone able to comment on this?

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Dargoth
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Posted - 08 Dec 2005 :  07:52:41  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco

Not to be critical or anything, especially since I never had the fortune of playing or owning the original adventure.

But the Blackrazor seems a bit watered down from the storied I heard about it.

Anyone able to comment on this?



Theres a write up for Black Rzaor in the Arms and Equipment guide

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Bocklin
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Posted - 08 Dec 2005 :  10:04:50  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by warlockco

Not to be critical or anything, especially since I never had the fortune of playing or owning the original adventure.

But the Blackrazor seems a bit watered down from the storied I heard about it.

Anyone able to comment on this?



I did not check it yet, but isn't supposed to be a "Legacy Weapon" that improves with the character (through rituals, etc.)?

So it might be weak when they find it, but gets better as time passes and the player goes through the various steps to unleash its powers...

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Edited by - Bocklin on 08 Dec 2005 10:05:33
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warlockco
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Posted - 09 Dec 2005 :  02:04:49  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
From the stories that I was told of it from 1st Edition, it was a weapon that any and all characters should fear facing.

Anyone have the original stats for Blackrazor?

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Brother Ezra
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Posted - 09 Dec 2005 :  04:29:40  Show Profile  Visit Brother Ezra's Homepage Send Brother Ezra a Private Message  Reply with Quote
"Blackrazor, a +3 chaotic neutral sword, intelligence 17, Ego 16. Purpose: To suck souls. It is a black sword that shines like a piece of night sky filled with stars, and it is sheathed in a black scabbard decorated with pieces of cut obsidian. On a killing stroke, Blackrazor temporarily adds the number of levels of the dead foe to its bearer’s levels (in terms of fighting ability). The bearer also temporarily gains the full hit points of the victim. All subsequent damage to the sword’s wielder is removed from the added hit points first. The extra levels and hit points last a number of turns equal to the number of levels received. The souls of all entities killed by Blackrazor are sucked out and devoured; those killed by the black sword cannot be raised.

For every three days the sword remains “unfed” its ego increases by one point, until it can compel its bearer to kill a human or humanoid being. Upon feeding, its ego returns to 16."

White Plume Mountain, p. 9

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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 09 Dec 2005 :  04:31:38  Show Profile  Visit KnightErrantJR's Homepage Send KnightErrantJR a Private Message  Reply with Quote
And the sword was Chaotic neutral?!?
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George Krashos
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Yeah, it took any souls that came its way - good or evil: it was just hungry, is all.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 09 Dec 2005 :  06:37:44  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
You forgot the other down side

If Black razor ever strikes an undead then it drains the life energy of the WIELDER as Undead dont have souls

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warlockco
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Posted - 09 Dec 2005 :  07:30:35  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Thanks, no wonder why the group I was with, said they had it encased in a lead block hidden away.

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Faraer
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  02:05:21  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
In White Plume Mountain the PCs are supposed to return the three weapons to their owners, not keep them, so it's not very important what it does in game terms. Tales of Monty Haul parties holding on to these have obfuscated this, I fear.
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warlockco
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quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

In White Plume Mountain the PCs are supposed to return the three weapons to their owners, not keep them, so it's not very important what it does in game terms. Tales of Monty Haul parties holding on to these have obfuscated this, I fear.



No clue of how the Original was supposed to run, but with the 3E remake, the party is sent to recover 1 of the 3 weapons, and allowed to keep the other 2.

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Dargoth
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When we played through it Wave the trident was destroyed by the party mage when he cast lightning bolt at the Giant crab.

Black Razor was claimed by the partys bard (Yes he was a first edition Bard)

I believe we returned Whelm as it was only useful to Dwarves and we didnt have one in the party

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