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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 07 Dec 2005 : 22:56:32
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To all you gaming gurus,
What are the best damaging/disabling spells for wizards from levels 5-8 in the game? Oh yeah, it's better if they don't allow a saving throw. Nasty, aint I?  I'd prefer spells that are from the PH or the new Spell Compendium if possible. Also, I don't want metamagicked spells - just plain ones thank-you.
Thanks in advance for your help.
-- George Krashos
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 07 Dec 2005 : 23:16:52
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| George, if we help you with your diabolical plans, you must promise to "re-Realmsify" any spells that come out of that neutered Spell Compendium, okay? |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 07 Dec 2005 : 23:18:28
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Enervation is a great spell that fits your criteria...
Waves of Fatigue and Waves of Exhaustion
Don't forget Powerword Stun
I'll think of more, give me a minute
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 07 Dec 2005 : 23:40:09
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After seeing the results of your last round of questions, I'm really curious as to where this one is going...  |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 13:16:59
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| It's not within your level range, but I've found GREASE to be the most underestimated and underused spell ever. Been using it since 1st edition and always found it very useful for preventing pursuit and/or disabling foes without necessarily killing them. (That's why you drop fireballs on them while they're prone ...) |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 19:57:08
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| Well, I know you said not meta-magicked, not 9th lvl, and no save.... BUT, my favorite is a Thayan necromancer who uses his circle to heighten Wail of the Banshee to 20th lvl. Throw in spell focus (necromancy) and a healthy int (say 26) and you have DC (10 + 20 + 2 + 8 = 40). Useful on parties that don't get some kind of death spell protection and not as expensive as trap the soul. |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
2965 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 20:34:18
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Dream, the Bigby's Hand spells, Telekinesis using violent thrust to throw an object at someone, Acid Fog, Waves of Fatigue, Waves of Exhaustion, Greater Dispel Magic, Forcecage, Mordenkainen's Sword, Reverse Gravity, the Power Word spells, Otto's Irresistable Dance, Maze, Polar Ray, Scintillating Pattern.
Those are the ones from the PHB, and I don't have the Spell Compendium yet, so I can't check that, sorry.
EDIT: I can't believe I didn't catch that error-or that no one else did! |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 23:04:18
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Thank you muchly. And a recent HD crash erased a solid week's work on my 'secret project'. Thankfully it's not lost totally and still fresh in my head, so hopefully I can re-write it. As for where this is going ... well, it's all about bringing together lots of disparate realmslore, adding some game mechanics and letting wizards do their thing. If DRAGON's not interested, it might shape up into a decent Compendium piece. We'll wait and see - it won't be finfished till Jan/Feb next year. And it'll be Realmsy and crunchy all in the one.
-- George Krashos
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 08 Dec 2005 : 23:48:43
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One of my players runs a Sorcerer whose quite fond of a spell called Arc of Lightning.
Its a 5th level wizard spell and basicly you choose 2 enemies and an arch of lightning passes between the 2 of them, both they and anyone standing between them take 1d6 per level (up to a maximum of 15d6)They do get a reflex save but Arch of Lightning ignores spell resistence (Needless to say this spell has seen much use in City of the Spider queen)
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2005 : 06:39:39
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Originally posted by warlockco
Orb of Force from Complete Arcane.
4th level wiz/sor spell, requires a ranged touch attack to hit.
No save, no Spell Resistance.
Does 1d6 per level to a max of 10d6.
Basically a Super Magic Missile that requires an attack roll.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2005 : 07:31:50
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by warlockco
Orb of Force from Complete Arcane.
4th level wiz/sor spell, requires a ranged touch attack to hit.
No save, no Spell Resistance.
Does 1d6 per level to a max of 10d6.
Basically a Super Magic Missile that requires an attack roll.
Thats the other one he likes to use
My Cleric prepares it with Anyspell  |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
1715 Posts |
Posted - 09 Dec 2005 : 12:23:00
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| Otiluke's Resilient Sphere is a very handy nonlethal spell....unless you use it like they did in the AD&D comic and roll people off cliffs while inside of them. |
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Icewolf
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 13 Dec 2005 : 10:08:44
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A spell that I found highly interesting, is Chain Missile, out of the new Spell Compendium. I don't have the book with me at the moment, but I'll see if I can remember enough to get you to take a look...
Disclaimer: I reserve the right to be totally incorrect, but the gist of the spell will be accurate.
It creates up to 10 magic missiles, all of which are on crack. Each missile, after hitting the initial target (No attack roll, no saving throw, though spell resistance does apply.) BOUNCES to a random enemy, up to a number of consecutive targets equal to your caster level. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 02:13:13
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Otiluke's Resilient Sphere is a very handy nonlethal spell....unless you use it like they did in the AD&D comic and roll people off cliffs while inside of them.
People always tend to take nonlethal ideas and turn them horribly violent. I think that is the way of all things.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 15 Dec 2005 : 06:29:52
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
Otiluke's Resilient Sphere is a very handy nonlethal spell....unless you use it like they did in the AD&D comic and roll people off cliffs while inside of them.
People always tend to take nonlethal ideas and turn them horribly violent. I think that is the way of all things.
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Volo
Seeker
Canada
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Posted - 01 Feb 2006 : 23:23:25
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| For example, FEAR MY BREAD!!! (I used scatterstone to detonate a pile of four-week-old rolls on a platter a couple of weeks back. Ended up killing the enemy mage standing next to them.) |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 02 Feb 2006 : 02:18:41
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Originally posted by Volo
For example, FEAR MY BREAD!!! (I used scatterstone to detonate a pile of four-week-old rolls on a platter a couple of weeks back. Ended up killing the enemy mage standing next to them.)
Bread is deadly and here is proof:
Bread Kills!
1. More than 98 percent of convicted felons are bread users.
2. Fully HALF of all children who grow up in bread-consuming households score below average on standardized tests.
3. In the 18th century, when virtually all bread was baked in the home, the average life expectancy was less than 50 years; infant mortality rates were unacceptably high; many women died in childbirth; and diseases such as typhoid, yellow fever, and influenza ravaged whole nations.
4. Every piece of bread you eat brings you nearer to death.
5. Bread is associated with all the major diseases of the body. For example, nearly all sick people have eaten bread. The effects are obviously cumulative:
• • 99.9% of all people who die from cancer have eaten bread.
• • 100% of all soldiers have eaten bread.
• • 96.9% of all Communist sympathizers have eaten bread.
• • 99.7% of the people involved in air and auto accidents ate bread within 6 months preceding the accident.
• • 93.1% of juvenile delinquents came from homes where bread is served frequently.
6. Evidence points to the long-term effects of bread eating: Of all the people born since 1839 who later dined on bread, there has been a 100% mortality rate.
7. Bread is made from a substance called “dough.” It has been proven that as little as a teaspoon of dough can be used to suffocate a lab rat. The average American eats more bread than that in one day!
8. Primitive tribal societies that have no bread exhibit a low incidence of cancer, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s disease, and osteoporosis.
9. Bread has been proven to be addictive. Subjects deprived of bread and given only water to eat begged for bread after as little as two days.
10. Bread is often a “gateway” food item, leading the user to “harder” items such as butter, jelly, peanut butter, and even cold cuts.
11. Bread has been proven to absorb water. Since the human body is more than 90 percent water, it follows that eating bread could lead to your body being taken over by this absorptive food product, turning you into a soggy, gooey bread-pudding person.
12. Newborn babies can choke on bread.
13. Bread is baked at temperatures as high as 400 degrees Fahrenheit! That kind of heat can kill an adult in less than one minute.
14. Most bread eaters are utterly unable to distinguish between significant scientific fact and meaningless statistical babbling.
In light of these frightening statistics, we propose the following bread restrictions:
1. No sale of bread to minors.
2. A nationwide “Just Say No To Toast” campaign, complete celebrity TV spots and bumper stickers.
3. A 300 percent federal tax on all bread to pay for all the societal ills we might associate with bread.
4. No animal or human images, nor any primary colors (which may appeal to children) may be used to promote bread usage.
5. The establishment of “Bread-free” zones around schools.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 02 Feb 2006 : 03:17:24
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That is hilarious! Seriously off-topic, but hilarious... 
Perhaps we could find our way back to the topic, now? |
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Arivia
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 02 Feb 2006 : 03:22:42
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That is hilarious! Seriously off-topic, but hilarious...
Perhaps we could find our way back to the topic, now?
Indeed.
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warlockco
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