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Mask
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 12:25:54
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I have to disagree with you ArionElenim. Bane is cool because he's a troublemaker. And he didn't battle a god way beyond his own strenght. If you mean Torm anyway. Fisrt of all, Bane was a greater power, Torm only a puny, little, good-for-nothing lesser power. Intermediate power at his prime maybe. Secondly, Torm sacrificed his own worshippers to gain the strength to battle Bane. What kind of god sacrifices the lives of his own worshippers? In my oppinion, Torm was the evil one. Third of all, Bane also killed Torm, that at least means they were equal in power, at that moment.
The Seldarin sucks (elven pantheon). All goody-two-shoes. What's the fun in that? I like intrique and betrayal. Much more fun to read. By the way, Cyric is no longer mad. He was mad for only one year or something. And I don't like you comparing Bane with Gruumsh. And if you think Corellon could defeat Bane you're mistaken. If I remember correctly (and I could be wrong) Corellon defeated Gruumsh only barely. If Bane is an overgrown Gruumsh, doesn't it make him more powerful? If he's way more powerful than Gruumsh, than he could easily defeat Corellon. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 19:30:00
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| Order can not exist with out evil. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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kahonen
Senior Scribe
United Kingdom
358 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 21:03:23
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| Why not? |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 14 Sep 2002 : 21:52:03
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| Without a foe order would break down and the world would need to better, it is the way of humans, they can never let things be, the need more. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Rudolf_Weathermay
Acolyte
Belgium
5 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2002 : 21:50:01
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What do you guys think of Sharess? The godess of lust and cats. I'm sure I'm gonna worship that one *naughty grin*
Lolth and Malar are also very good. Sorry but I love the evil ones.
My character (a paladin) worship Tyr - The god of justice :) |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 17 Sep 2002 : 20:09:10
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| My charateer is an Ogmar kinda guy. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Mahonar
Acolyte
Italy
9 Posts |
Posted - 18 Sep 2002 : 14:46:08
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Hi all ;)
i've read of your previous discussion about Waukeen and her missing state in 2ed...just after the time of troubles.
Her story is described in the tsr module "For Duty and Deity", an adventure in which the characters have to rescue her from the hands of the Demonlord Grazzt (i'm not sure if he's baatezu or a tanar'ri, just forgotten :P). I think that her state in actual FR is the same than before, with all the limitations imposed on the gods from the overgod Ao :).
Pls correct me if i'm wrong, and excuse me for my poor english. :)
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2002 : 07:24:43
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| Why cant I be a GOD? Oh well back to my regular DROW PC's! |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 19 Sep 2002 : 20:45:41
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| You a god, lol, only great heros make gods, like Tiax. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2002 : 03:18:52
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.....LOL, Tiax, who the hell is he, Some "knee-biter" or a soccerball perhaps, when you can wade out of all the deep **** you talk, or at least back it up, then we will talk, "Waela darthiir".
-Drow for foolish dwarf
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"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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Mask
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2002 : 16:40:50
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| What makes you think only heroes can become gods Tiax??? Cyric wasn't a heroe and he became a god. Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal weren't heroes either and they too became gods, so you're just wrong. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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Thanatos
Acolyte
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Posted - 20 Sep 2002 : 19:13:39
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Bane, Myrkul and Bhaal used to be mortal? Where the hell do you people get this information 'cause I wan't a piece of it!
And isn't Tiax a psychotic, insane, evil, cyricist gnome? |
"Those the gods wish to destroy, they first make mad! Mad! MAD!" ~ Xzar
"What part of I'm a loner do ye not understand!?" ~ Montaron
"We're all doomed" ~ Xan |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 20 Sep 2002 : 19:23:51
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No but he was a known Farunian.
Well Drizzt, thats the black hole calling the peice of chalk black, your so infacuated with Molgrint (Drow excretion) that you could sink blatherdrake with one days supply of what comes out your mouth. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2002 : 06:15:27
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LOL, The black hole calling the chalk black?.....where the ____ did you get that from, some more of your "brilliant" Dwarven literature.
Anyways, so I'm not sure who the best god is, but I guess it just depends on the person, their mentality, and the PC.
The Great Drizzt
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"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2002 : 20:24:52
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| Each god goes through an eara, a chance to prove there prowess to outshine the rest. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2002 : 08:17:44
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True, very true, whos your favorite god tiax? is it dwarven or another god?
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2002 : 14:03:48
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| I can't remember any Dwarvish gods, I Would like him though, I can tell. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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The Great Drizzt
Learned Scribe
USA
280 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2002 : 07:43:06
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LOL, I bet, I know of at least 4, but I cant think of them off the top of my head.
The Great Drizzt |
"Don't poke Drizzt, 'tis highly unsociable!" Drizzt Do'Urden -BG1 |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2002 : 17:03:58
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| I found afew, they ROCK. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 28 Sep 2002 : 10:52:16
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Originally posted by Mask
... Secondly, Torm sacrificed his own worshippers to gain the strength to battle Bane. What kind of god sacrifices the lives of his own worshippers? In my oppinion, Torm was the evil one. Third of all, Bane also killed Torm, that at least means they were equal in power, at that moment.
I can see why Mask wants to be the master of intrigue. He tries to put the words in slightly a different order and somewhat removed from the truth... 
Torm's worshippers sacrificed themselves for their god, Torm did not sacrifice them. The worshippers perceived it as their duty to help their patron to defend against Bane. They were acting according to their moral beliefs (i.e. Torm's portfolio).
The fact that one entity is able to defeat another doesn't mean they're equal in power btw... |
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Mask
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2002 : 16:41:31
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| Ok, so the worshippers did sacrifice themselves, but not after Torm asked them to. I think it is quite a big thing to ask of your worshippers, even if it is their duty. Bane never asked his faithful to do so. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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king-tiax
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
327 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2002 : 19:22:22
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| Torm is weak, He could never haved lived with himself if he hadn't of stoped them. Bane is strong, he can bear any burden. |
My name is Tiax, I would ask yours but I don't care to become aquainted with the dead.
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Mask
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 29 Sep 2002 : 22:01:27
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| Now that's what I want to hear, Tiax. You're ok, for a dwarf. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Sep 2002 : 09:52:18
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Originally posted by Mask
Ok, so the worshippers did sacrifice themselves, but not after Torm asked them to. I think it is quite a big thing to ask of your worshippers, even if it is their duty. Bane never asked his faithful to do so.
Yes, I agree. That's a big thing to do. Yet the worshippers were given a choice, they could have refused. As opposed to Bane, who just takes and doesn't ask; no choice there...
*hmmm... a Bane worshipping dwarf... interesting opponent, a bit misguided, but who cares...* |
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Mask
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2002 : 10:24:06
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| Would you dare to refuse a request made by a god? I think many worshippers were to awestruck to refuse it. Still, I think Bane made one mistake. I think he didn't expect Torm, being a lawful-good god, would demand such a sacrifice. So it was Torm's duty to stop Bane, but not at this cost. I say Torm should be forced to undergo an alignment-change and suffer immensely for it. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Sep 2002 : 10:31:19
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Originally posted by Mask
Would you dare to refuse a request made by a god? I think many worshippers were to awestruck to refuse it. Still, I think Bane made one mistake. I think he didn't expect Torm, being a lawful-good god, would demand such a sacrifice. So it was Torm's duty to stop Bane, but not at this cost. I say Torm should be forced to undergo an alignment-change and suffer immensely for it.
Try to think from the perspective of the worshippers and the deity (a personification of a way of life) they're worshipping. If their deity had made a request which opposed that way of life then the worshippers would not have sacrificed themselves. There is more to the relationship between deity and worshippers in the Realms then master and subjects. Both are interdependent within the portfolio which the deity stands for.
Besides a sacrifice is not inherently evil: It’s the purpose for which the sacrifice is made. In the case of Torm’s worshippers the greater good of protection against a rampant evil deity.
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Ghost
Acolyte
Netherlands
38 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2002 : 11:27:33
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Each deity is the strongest power in their portfolio. I guess that's why they are gods. 
It seems a lot of people think evil is more cool than good. I wonder if they would still feel the same if they, or their family, became the victims of that evil.  |
The way of a superior man are three-fold;
virtuous, he is free from anxieties;
wise, he is free from perplexities;
bold, he is free from fear. ~ Confucius
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Mask
Learned Scribe
104 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2002 : 12:21:46
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| But if the worshippers of Torm sacrifice themselves, they would not be able to perform their duties any longer. After all, they'd be dead. And it's only because of Ao they didn't go to the City of Strife, or where-ever they'd go when they died. If Ao hadn't ressurrected Torm, his worshippers would've the worst afterlife they could ever immagine. Torm should've also considered this when he put everything on the line. But hey, I'm not complaining though. This action weakened Torm very much and made me (Mask that is) more powerful. |
Nothing is impossible! |
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Ghost
Acolyte
Netherlands
38 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2002 : 12:32:09
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I don't think they would go to The City of Strive. After all, they lived and died according to the teachings of Torm. Even if Torm had stayed dead, another god would have gotten his portfolio's, and the worshippers would have gone to that deity's plane.
*to Mask*
If you think Bane is the 'coolest', why do you take Mask as a nick? Why indeed take any known Realms name as a nick? |
The way of a superior man are three-fold;
virtuous, he is free from anxieties;
wise, he is free from perplexities;
bold, he is free from fear. ~ Confucius
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 30 Sep 2002 : 12:37:50
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Originally posted by Mask
But if the worshippers of Torm sacrifice themselves, they would not be able to perform their duties any longer. After all, they'd be dead. And it's only because of Ao they didn't go to the City of Strife, or where-ever they'd go when they died. If Ao hadn't resurrected Torm, his worshippers would've the worst afterlife they could ever imagine. Torm should've also considered this when he put everything on the line. But hey, I'm not complaining though. This action weakened Torm very much and made me (Mask that is) more powerful.
Like Ghost said, the worshipers wouldn’t have gone there. These worshippers are neither False, nor Faithless… only those would go to the city of the damned or be merged into the wall. Just because their deity would have been killed does not put them in one of those categories. Most likely Tyr, Ilmater or Helm would have taken these souls in. The first two are the most likely as they form the Triad.
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