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Dennis
Great Reader
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 Posted - 30 Apr 2010 : 17:35:20
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
nice info sage, as allways. Is it a novel or book of facts. I have never heard of it before!
It's a collection of the first 3 books of Elminster series. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 30 Apr 2010 : 19:15:15
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| What... I've read the Elmister series, and yes she is dipicted as extremely powerful, but how does this become evident to a point where one would say that she was lvl 46+? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2010 : 01:38:22
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Originally posted by dennis
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
nice info sage, as allways. Is it a novel or book of facts. I have never heard of it before!
It's a collection of the first 3 books of Elminster series.
It's actually more than just that. It's also a collection of Ed-lore which focus specifically on the characters, settings, and background lore of the three collected books. Plus, Ed's valuable annotations as well.
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Zireael
Master of Realmslore
Poland
1190 Posts |
Posted - 01 May 2010 : 11:07:38
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Originally posted by Alystra Illianniis
Don't know much about Larloch, but I definitely agree with the other three. The Srinshee would be tops on my list, because of the notes Ed put into "The annotated Elminster". It gave some stats on her- 46th lvl?! Plus Chosen status, and High Magic. She ended up with something like a lvl 59 or 60 stats. That's POWER.... And this was even when she was teaching El. No telling what she is now.
46th level in AD&D or 3rd edition? I'm thinking about statting her for 3 ed. and I was curious... |
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Tren of Twilight Tower
Seeker
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Posted - 01 May 2010 : 19:32:28
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Intriguing question that hardly can have a precise answer. I like to think about Elminster as the "best", but that does not make him so. Obviously, it is matter of a personal opinion and can be argued endlessly.
In my not so humble opinion, and as some scribes have already pointed it out, the offered poll choices are very limiting and exclude some of the greatest mages (i.e. The Shadow King, Gromph, etc.). On the other hand, included are mages that are certainly better than most, yet not the top of magic pyramid (i.e. Wangerdahast and Manshoon).
Only my 101¢.
Tren
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 01 May 2010 : 19:41:24
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Well it is a personal feel. But there are still some that are clearly better or more succesful than others!
Larloch, Iouloum, Srinshee, Elminster, Simbul so on and so forth.
Funny to think that for all the Simbul's power, she is a mageling compared to the pinnacle of magic provess in Fearūn! |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 04:39:14
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Would have been difficult for me to choose just one since I loved El ever since reading El series. But Telamont has fascinated me more.  |
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 May 2010 : 04:58:07
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Originally posted by Tren of Twilight Tower
Intriguing question that hardly can have a precise answer. I like to think about Elminster as the "best", but that does not make him so. Obviously, it is matter of a personal opinion and can be argued endlessly.
In my not so humble opinion, and as some scribes have already pointed it out, the offered poll choices are very limiting and exclude some of the greatest mages (i.e. The Shadow King, Gromph, etc.). On the other hand, included are mages that are certainly better than most, yet not the top of magic pyramid (i.e. Wangerdahast and Manshoon).
Only my 101ļæ½.
Tren
I wonder too why Gromph was not in the list...The drow race should at least have a representive, and who else is more fitting than the archmage himself. Dyrr might be another, but then Gromph killed him.
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
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Posted - 06 May 2010 : 21:41:25
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Manshoon, was a dush... And a pathetic mage, no power at all!
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
377 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 22:43:25
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Manshoon, was a dush... And a pathetic mage, no power at all!
Hmm, actually i daresay he is quite proficient in his art, and i do believe this is a common belief? So this 'no power at all' might have been an understatement if i ever saw one :) |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 06 May 2010 : 22:53:44
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He he... I know! Thats why I said it. Thou I do daresay that he does not seen to anything special compared to some of the top-mages!
On I side note, I killed one of his clones in less than 10 rounds without it having a chance! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 01:21:00
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
He he... I know! Thats why I said it. Thou I do daresay that he does not seen to anything special compared to some of the top-mages!
Eh. Even though the Manshoon Wars plot wasn't followed through, that's enough for me to see that Manshoon himself was anything but a "regular mage." |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 13:21:41
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I look back now at the votes and see that Karsus is only second to Elminster???
How dare that old geezer get more votes than the allmighty Karsus. I highly suggest you all change your votes to Karsus, lest he punish you upon his re-ascension to godhood. |
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
377 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 14:00:11
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Karsus was a moron. Get over it. His failed and futile attempt at grasping for divinity got him served and then some. Why did he go after the one deity that could hold the weave together? Why not, when he had achieved that immense spell, go after some lesser deity and build his way up from there? Karsus is vastly overrated by way too many. In my opinion  |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 15:49:07
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Originally posted by Elfinblade
Karsus was a moron. Get over it. His failed and futile attempt at grasping for divinity got him served and then some. Why did he go after the one deity that could hold the weave together? Why not, when he had achieved that immense spell, go after some lesser deity and build his way up from there? Karsus is vastly overrated by way too many. In my opinion
He knew what was going to happen. It's all part of his master scheme which only his vast intelligence can comprehend. Even his most faithful such as I have difficulty in understanding the why, but we most certainly understand the what, which is his return that is to come. That is what makes him the best. Overrated?? Underrated is more like it!!  |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 16:02:24
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Ha... Karsus would fall to the Lord of Spells; namely Melcar Silverdragon! Manshoon fell, Dendar the Nightserpent, The Tarasque, all have fallen to the power that he wields!!!!
I have said this before and im gonna say it again! He would fall just like Larloch and Iouloum would fall!!!! |
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Elfinblade
Senior Scribe
Norway
377 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 16:07:06
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 16:09:55
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| ha ha... because its fun! |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 16:51:06
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Originally posted by Elfinblade
I honestly don't know why i am getting myself involved in these kinds of discussions
Because deep down inside you truly believe that Karsus is the allmighty one!  |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 16:52:08
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
Ha... Karsus would fall to the Lord of Spells; namely Melcar Silverdragon! Manshoon fell, Dendar the Nightserpent, The Tarasque, all have fallen to the power that he wields!!!!
I have said this before and im gonna say it again! He would fall just like Larloch and Iouloum would fall!!!!
Nay. It is they who will tremble before the might of the great Lord Karsus. Even Kezef the Chaos hound whimpers at the mere thought of Karsus. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 17:45:37
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| HA... The mageling Karsus bores me.!!! |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
3054 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 17:49:19
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
HA... The mageling Karsus bores me.!!!
Karsus is no mere mageling knave. He was perhaps such when he was but a babe, but his powers have far surpassed mortal understanding  |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 07 May 2010 : 17:59:34
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| so you say... tell me again.. Is he alive? Melcar is, that alone makes him more powerful! |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 07 May 2010 : 18:00:06
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
so you say... tell me again.. Is he alive? Melcar is, that alone makes him more powerful!
Will be - and will be a god |
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Sill Alias
Senior Scribe
Kazakhstan
588 Posts |
Posted - 08 May 2010 : 02:33:02
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If he is so great, why is he dead?
An old joke.
Mordenkainen and Halaster for me. Until Karsus rises, I will assume that his cult is the same by it's value as cult of Ao. |
You can hear many tales from many mouths. The most difficult is to know which of them are not lies. - Sill Alias
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Dennis
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 00:50:06
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Originally posted by Sill Alias
If he is so great, why is he dead?
An old joke.
Mordenkainen and Halaster for me. Until Karsus rises, I will assume that his cult is the same by it's value as cult of Ao.
Mystra died, but that didn't make her any less powerful than her fellow greater deities...I might not be as fanatic as Allistair, but I like Karsus too. I just voted for Telamont since he's the living emblem of the reborn Netheril, and though not as great as Karsus was/is, he's still powerful! |
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jordanz
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 02:10:09
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Some comments. I think Elminster is slightly underated. Elminster doesn't use magic for show. He usually uses the minimum amount of power to get the job done and he often chooses subtlety over flash.A polar opposit to someone like the Simbul who will usually go into most situations with guns blazing.
I also think we often underestimate wisdom when it comes to mages. Knowing when to (or not) cast a spell is sometimes more important than the spell itself. I think Elminster is perhaps the wisest of them all.
I think Szass Tam is someone to look out for. Anyone who read the last novel of the Undead trilogy might speculate how invincible Tam really is. The minute Larloch slips up, I expect Tam to be right there to take his place. Lets not forget how close Szass Tam came to achieving total power and domination ...
The second tier of archmages: Manshoon, Gromph, Emelyn the Gray, Vanderghast, Pharaun are actually more interesting to me. Still very -extremely powerful but not necessarily ALL powerful. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 04:19:35
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The best spellcaster in the realms...
I'd have to say Halaster off hand...though Elminster is far more "with it" than the Blackcloak.
Though, my favorite spellcaster might be either Manshoon or the Simbul. One for cunning and patience, the other for flash and style...or both with both. |
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Nicolai Withander
Master of Realmslore
Denmark
1093 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2010 : 14:29:34
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| How can anyone choose anyone who is below the srinshee's level. Especially when Ed states she is the best spellcaster in fearun!!????? |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 10 May 2010 : 15:09:55
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Originally posted by Nicolai Withander
How can anyone choose anyone who is below the srinshee's level. Especially when Ed states she is the best spellcaster in fearun!!?????
Somewhat true. She comes close to Karsus in power, but not quite there yet. |
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