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Kentinal
Great Reader
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 Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 01:14:15
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Originally posted by David Lázaro
Doesn't it mean that one can substitute gargoyles for references of Dragonkin? That is, if you don't have Monsters of Faerűn available. Dragonkin is a kind of monster described in that book.
Yes that is one posible explaination in this case. I can even acept it, as valid. I had did a quick search of summeriers before and saw those two linked. IAE Kobold and other lizard creatures aparently are listed as related to Dragons somehow.
Gargoyles make much more sense then Kobolds being related to Dragons to me. Gargoyles have wings, fly, use claw and tail attacks. Kobolds hide under rocks, fight with weapons when either desperate or an overwhelming mob and can not fly. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 01:16:24
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| But ever since 3rd edition, they have been playing up that kobolds are reptillian, and intimating that somewhere a LONG time ago some dragon was REALLY hard up. |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 02:13:33
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
But ever since 3rd edition, they have been playing up that kobolds are reptillian, and intimating that somewhere a LONG time ago some dragon was REALLY hard up.
Well I did post some various Edition descprictions of them s to their evolotion. Scaly skin, redish skin, humanoid form. However I was shocked to discover a 3.0 Kobold being Dragonkin shortly after the product came out.
Anyway we are wandering from Elfkin and really should be talking about Lightning anyway on this scroll. I Still expect some type of NPC to either cause the storms or be effected by some. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 02:16:44
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Maybe a lot of kobold will be struck by lightning (sorry, just providing a segway) |
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Steven Schend
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
USA
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 02:58:54
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Originally posted by David Lázaro
What could we get if we mix lightnings, storms and Khelben?
Bad hair days. For everyone. Across the entire Sword Coast. And the North. Maybe even in the Moonsea region, just to be thorough.   |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 03:04:04
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by David Lázaro
What could we get if we mix lightnings, storms and Khelben?
Bad hair days. For everyone. Across the entire Sword Coast. And the North. Maybe even in the Moonsea region, just to be thorough.
It's hard to imagine either Laeral or Alustriel having a "bad hair day"...  .
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 03:08:15
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
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Originally posted by David Lázaro
What could we get if we mix lightnings, storms and Khelben?
Bad hair days. For everyone. Across the entire Sword Coast. And the North. Maybe even in the Moonsea region, just to be thorough.
It's hard to imagine either Laeral or Alustriel having a "bad hair day"... .
I can think of only one of the Seven having a bad hair day, and no one would dare mention that to the Simbul. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 04:25:03
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Originally posted by Kentinal
OK I searched Elfkin on WotC site and got no hit, that does not mean WotC and/or never used the term as the seach engine is not that robust (seach sometimes does not find pages I know are online at that site) and not all WotC/TSR material is online.
I didn't say WotC has never used the term, it's just that elves (pure elves) are usually refered to as elves--just elves. "Elfkin" would seem to apply to creatures that aren't true elves, but related to them.
And yes, I'm aware that Year names can mean any number of things, and those things need not be significant to all Faerun, I am just speculating. |
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David Lázaro
Acolyte
Spain
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 09:05:43
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The most similar term to Elfkin that I remember used is the Cloak of Elvenkind. Those, according to Races of Faerűn are common magic items made by the Moon Elves.
And if not elves proper, what other races are spawned from them? Only the elven subraces, half-elves and Fey'ri come to my mind now. Are there others? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 10:06:23
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Originally posted by David Lázaro
The most similar term to Elfkin that I remember used is the Cloak of Elvenkind. Those, according to Races of Faerűn are common magic items made by the Moon Elves.
And if not elves proper, what other races are spawned from them? Only the elven subraces, half-elves and Fey'ri come to my mind now. Are there others?
Off the top of my head
Fey'ri
Half Elves (all types)
Lythari
It could be argued that Drow and Drageloths are "Elfkin" |
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Mr. Wilson
Seeker
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Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 10:55:01
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| I'm hoping Talos has some sort of role in this year's events, given his connection with Lightning. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 10 Oct 2005 : 16:23:11
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Originally posted by Dargoth
quote:
Originally posted by David Lázaro
The most similar term to Elfkin that I remember used is the Cloak of Elvenkind. Those, according to Races of Faerűn are common magic items made by the Moon Elves.
And if not elves proper, what other races are spawned from them? Only the elven subraces, half-elves and Fey'ri come to my mind now. Are there others?
Off the top of my head
Fey'ri
Half Elves (all types)
Lythari
It could be argued that Drow and Drageloths are "Elfkin"
Actually, I think lythari are true elves, not elfkin. Ditto for drow. |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 : 23:42:23
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** SPOILER ** (kinda)
I'd hazard a guess that y'all might be reaching a bit too far with the "Elfkin" thing... My guess is that it relates to the ressurected Fflar of Myth Drannor fame who undoutedly will have some dramaticly heroic deed to perform in 1375 DR at the end of the Last Mythal series... He's "risen", he's "elfkin", and he's actually been introduced in the FR timeline as oppossed to "out-of-the-blue"... Kinda along that whole Occam's Razor philosophy... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 11 Oct 2005 : 23:59:35
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Originally posted by El Magnifico Uno
** SPOILER ** (kinda)
I'd hazard a guess that y'all might be reaching a bit too far with the "Elfkin" thing... My guess is that it relates to the ressurected Fflar of Myth Drannor fame who undoutedly will have some dramaticly heroic deed to perform in 1375 DR at the end of the Last Mythal series... He's "risen", he's "elfkin", and he's actually been introduced in the FR timeline as oppossed to "out-of-the-blue"... Kinda along that whole Occam's Razor philosophy...
I doubt its Fflar as hes only one person
Its more likely to be Fey'ri who are part elven (Which is a closer definition of Elfkin) also the Fey'ri where sealed underground and only escaped when the Daemonfey released them (Which ties in with the Risen part of the year) |
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El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 00:55:37
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| Sure, in which case 1374 would probably be a great year for Risen Elfkin... However odds are the fey'ri won't be "rising" terrbily high come 1375, elfkin or not... In fact, I'd be willing to wager a small sum that their fortunes will be sinking rather dramaticly, the fantasy genre being what it is... Hence, my guess that it's not the fey'ri... 'Course it's all debatable, and open to whatever interpretation a particular DM desires... |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 04:18:11
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Not all the year names are necessarily tied into 'major' events. The Year of Risen Elfkin may allude to the raising from the dead of the half-elf warrior Thildras "Sunflail" Morlindrar, leader of the Braveblades Brandished adventuring company out of Milvarune. Why is that event important enough to warrant a "Year name" from Alaundo/Auguthra and co.? Well, the future holds great things in store for young Thildras ...
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 04:24:05
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All in all, I would have like to live in some of the years past then - I mean all those Year of the Tankards and Year of Good Beer and Year of Fine Ale... those must have been great years!
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El Magnifico Uno
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 09:01:47
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| Yeah right George!.. Next you're gonna be telling us that the Year of the Leaping Frog wasn't tied into some secret, as yet unrevealed, cataclysmic event where the Knights of Myth Drannor, Fzoul, Elminster, and Zsass Tam all banded together to battle this really mean voracious frog that would leap at people until they died, and thus threatened the entire existence of Faerun!... Whatever! Everybody knows that's what happened... Last time I'll listen to one of your ideas!.. Pfft... |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 09:43:54
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Originally posted by El Magnifico Uno
Yeah right George!.. Next you're gonna be telling us that the Year of the Leaping Frog wasn't tied into some secret, as yet unrevealed, cataclysmic event where the Knights of Myth Drannor, Fzoul, Elminster, and Zsass Tam all banded together to battle this really mean voracious frog that would leap at people until they died, and thus threatened the entire existence of Faerun!... Whatever! Everybody knows that's what happened... Last time I'll listen to one of your ideas!.. Pfft...
Yeah but the "Leaping Frogs" names was Bazim-Garag |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 13:54:26
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maybe I'm wrong but isn't there a novel about a priest of Talos due out? Maybe that's where lightning storms might come in.... or when was the year that the Shadovar started mucking with weather to melt the ice?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 12 Oct 2005 : 17:25:48
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by El Magnifico Uno
Yeah right George!.. Next you're gonna be telling us that the Year of the Leaping Frog wasn't tied into some secret, as yet unrevealed, cataclysmic event where the Knights of Myth Drannor, Fzoul, Elminster, and Zsass Tam all banded together to battle this really mean voracious frog that would leap at people until they died, and thus threatened the entire existence of Faerun!... Whatever! Everybody knows that's what happened... Last time I'll listen to one of your ideas!.. Pfft...
Yeah but the "Leaping Frogs" names was Bazim-Garag
Are you sure it wasn't the Mexican Staring Frog of Southern Sri Lanka?  |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 13 Oct 2005 : 00:37:30
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quote:
Originally posted by El Magnifico Uno
Yeah right George!.. Next you're gonna be telling us that the Year of the Leaping Frog wasn't tied into some secret, as yet unrevealed, cataclysmic event where the Knights of Myth Drannor, Fzoul, Elminster, and Zsass Tam all banded together to battle this really mean voracious frog that would leap at people until they died, and thus threatened the entire existence of Faerun!... Whatever! Everybody knows that's what happened... Last time I'll listen to one of your ideas!.. Pfft...
But it's true I tell you! The Year of Risen Elfkin has got absolutely nothing to do with any RSEs or other major happenings in the Realms ... *cast obscuring mist* ... see!
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Oct 2005 : 04:53:38
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Not all the year names are necessarily tied into 'major' events. The Year of Risen Elfkin may allude to the raising from the dead of the half-elf warrior Thildras "Sunflail" Morlindrar, leader of the Braveblades Brandished adventuring company out of Milvarune. Why is that event important enough to warrant a "Year name" from Alaundo/Auguthra and co.? Well, the future holds great things in store for young Thildras ...
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The Year of Lightning storms?
