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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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 Posted - 21 Sep 2005 : 07:49:12
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My step son's lythari has always been a little . . . off. He does not act evil per se, but he is facinated by it, and is constantly trying to angle for getting his sorcerer the ability to use magic from, for example, the Book of Vile Darkness. He also has always described himself as having black hair instead of silver.
I am thinking of introducing a little dark family secret, by making his grandmother a full blown werewolf that mated with a lythari, having thought that she had "tamed" her dark side. Anyone have any thoughts on this particular plot thread?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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ShadowJack
Senior Scribe
USA
350 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2005 : 12:45:50
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KEJr, I do not see a Lythari and a werewolf ever producing offspring... How about a distant union between the PC's ancestors and what the ancestor thought was a reformed Drow? Only to find that it was a dark elf plot to gain access to Lythari secrets/magic/bloodlines? Imagine a Lythari Drow Clan, I shudder at the thought... Anyway, this is highly unlikely, but, in the end, it is your campaign... |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 21 Sep 2005 : 12:58:22
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Yes, I concur with the other scribes... a lithari and a werewolf will be a very dificult plot. In other side, a tiefling or a dopelganger would be very suited for a dark plot, especially the dopelganger...
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Sep 2005 : 13:47:54
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Well instead of marriage, perhaps a rape might work.
This could introduce an evil tendentcy for evil gene (not that I personally care for concept of evil gene).
OTOH perhaps a genectic CE werewolf could perhaps believe self to be in control of self and did marry a silverwolf.
The one problem I see is that werewolf posesses the Curse of Lycanthropy and Lythari do not. If grandmother (or grandfather) was werewolf it should follow that the Curse would have showed up in child and grandchild. Perhaps evil gene ressesive might work as well.
As both werewolf and Lythari can mate the interbreeding in and of itself should not pose too much of a problem of cross fertility (pending any official rules about what races and monsters are and are no interfertile).
The evil gene and the curse are two broblems I see with RAW, but there certenly is room for modification in home game. After all I fully supported the succubus Paladin as a redeemed demon. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2005 : 14:22:44
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I thought there were werewolves that were born werewolves and those that were turned into Lycanthropes. Like the young boy in the WOTSQ that Ryld meets - wasn't he born into being a werewolf and wasn't he also more of neutral type character than being straight chaotic evil?
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 21 Sep 2005 : 15:03:57
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Yes both shapeshifters can be natural (or born as one), both can make others into shapeshifters. The way they do it is difference.
A werewolf base creature has the Evil Gene and the Curse.
The lythari can not have the Evil gene and does not have the Curse.
RAW (Rules As Written) requires both Evil Gene and the Curse to be passed on the to natural wrewolves. An afflicted (one caused by bite) werewolf does not appear to get evil gene however still has the Curse in most ways. This might be away arround the evil gene problem, but not around the Curse problem presented by having ansestor being a werewolf.
It is something like Elven blood that gets passed to even half-elven and certainly to full elves.
As for novels they are not constrained to RAW so many things can happen there that can not occur with core rules. Treat as author using house rules.
It does though bring up an interest question as to if a natural werewolf can have the Curse removed as it is a Su ability.
" Supernatural abilities are magical and go away in an antimagic field but are not subject to spell resistance, counterspells, or to being dispelled by dispel magic."
An afflicted werewolf can be cured by magic however a natrual one can not be. Also only a natrual lycanthrope can pass on the Curse by bite, afflicted can not do so. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2005 : 01:20:20
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Oh, I fully understand that Lythari and werewolves are at odds. The whole point would be that this was a werewolf that considered themselves in control of their lycanthropy, and had even convinced the community that she was no longer afflicted.
It was just a though at any rate. |
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Kaladorm
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 02:30:09
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| Or even a werewolf that 'was' in control, so much so that his/her partner didn't suspect they were a werewolf at all:) |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 02:39:56
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This is what I am thinking, based on my original idea and by suggestion from my fellow scribes. The lythari's grandmother was an afflicted werewolf who gained control over her werewolf abilities. She was originally drawn to a tribe of lythari, and felt her ire rising until she had spent time with them and fell in love with one of them. After they had spent time together, she never revealed what she was, though the lythari could sense something different about her. Eventually he offered the gift to her, and she accepted it, though it did not accually pass on to her, and she never used her abilities except in extreem conditions.
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 23 Sep 2005 : 03:51:26
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Two problems.
Afflicted were can not pass gene or Curse.
lythari can only give gift to elves. (hmm though an elf can become afflicted).
At least based on RAW. House rule it that some asspect of the Su ability tainted blood slightly, giving a tendency to be Choatic or perhaps even Evil passed down though the generation. Not something I would do, but there again I dislike RAW that has an Evil gene in the first place. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 23 Sep 2005 03:52:23 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2005 : 03:57:29
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| I'm probably dropping this particular plot thread at any rate . . . |
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Nefarious Background for Player's Lythari
