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Darth_Azalin
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 Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 02:37:27
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Ok I'm a little upset with the upcoming release of Promise of the Witch-King (book 2 of the sellsword series)
Ok heres the gripe the first book of that series is Servant of the Shard (which is in the Path of Darkness series book 3)
So with this book are they saying that you read Spine of World, Servant of the Shard, Promise of the Witch-King and then all the other books of this series then finish off with Sea of Swords?
They pulled the same with Elaine Cumminghams series Songs and Swords. The following books : Elfshadow, Elfsong and thornhold were all in the harper series... do we read the harper series out of content then since Thornhold is like the 16th book in the harper series.
Which for ElaineCummingham if your reading this your not getting credit for some of your work on the wizards site (http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=books/frng) So to the Songs and Swords section click on Thornhold it shows the author as R.A. Salvatore. And when you go to http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/dlgiftset/950607600 which is the Elven nations trilogy which is actual Dragonlance, they have the image of your (ElaineCummingham) Starlight and Shadows.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 03:40:42
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Drizzt and Enteri part company after the novel where Enteri tricks the Companion of the Halls into giving them the Shard.
You can safely read Servant of the Shard or Sea of Fallen stars without spoiling the other as the events inthe 2 novels do not affect each other |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 04:11:14
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| The Harpers novels weren't intended to be read in any particular order. They are stand-alone novels. It was only later, after the Harpers series ended, that they put Elaine's books into the Songs & Swords series. |
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Darth_Azalin
Acolyte
26 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 04:40:15
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Drizzt and Enteri part company after the novel where Enteri tricks the Companion of the Halls into giving them the Shard.
You can safely read Servant of the Shard or Sea of Fallen stars without spoiling the other as the events inthe 2 novels do not affect each other
Yes thank you but the question was if they pulled the Servant of the Shard and made it book 1 of the Sellsword series does that mean Promise of the Witch-King and the rest of the sellsword happen before the end of the Paths of Darkness?
Or are you saying that it take off with when he has the shard? and not envolve future storylines?
I'm almost finishing up with the last of the Hunter's Blades Trilogy. I have to admit the R.A. Salvatore is my favorite author. But with that said I was dissappointed with the Attack of the Clones edition of his writing (only comparing it too Terry Brooks' ESP 1)
On a side note I do realize that P. N. Elrod isn't a FR Novelist but any talk about doing another Strahd or Azalin book? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 04:50:21
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The Sell sword series should be viewed as a seperate branch of the "Drizzt tree" of novels it no longer includes Drizzts and the events in the Sell sword series will have no affect on the Core Drizzt novels that are already out (By Core I mean books with Drizzt in them)
Promise of the Witch king is set in Damara/Vaasa which is a long way from where Drizzt currently is. Inc\fact the distance between the 2 is probably the equivelant of the width of the United states |
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Darth_Azalin
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 04:54:32
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Thank you for your posting. I would probably enjoy another Artemis book more so then Drizzt story. I mean for the most part Drizzt isn't getting challenged all that much unless hes fighting huge numbers. I don't even think hes 100 years old yet.
And I much would like to read Artemis trying to deal with getting older. |
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Darth_Azalin
Acolyte
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 05:36:06
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Promise of the Witch king is set in Damara/Vaasa which is a long way from where Drizzt currently is. Inc\fact the distance between the 2 is probably the equivelant of the width of the United states
Ok I read page 124 Of dragon #336 and it talks about the 2 swords book with it being in the North.
Then go to page 123 of said magazine and it says about the promise that it is in the forzen north?
So are there 2 Norths? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 05:48:37
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Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
On a side note I do realize that P. N. Elrod isn't a FR Novelist but any talk about doing another Strahd or Azalin book?
Elrod has said on numerous occasions that she would love to right more fiction focusing on both Strahd and Azalin. However, with the demise of the RAVENLOFT novel line (both in 2e and the "proposed" 3e line) and the recent ending of White Wolf's handling of 3e RL material... it looks very unlikely.
We should refrain from discussing any more about RL however, since this would take this scroll off-topic. Let us continue with the discussion at hand...  .
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 05:55:13
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quote:
Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
Ok I read page 124 Of dragon #336 and it talks about the 2 swords book with it being in the North.
Then go to page 123 of said magazine and it says about the promise that it is in the forzen north?
So are there 2 Norths?
Drizzt's adventures primarily focus on the region of the Realms known as the Savage Frontier... or simply, the North. It is the vast area of land usually considered to extend north from Neverwinter and adjacent coastal cities/towns and east to Anauroch.
The Damara/Vassa region that will be the setting for PotWK is another region of the northern Realms... but not "The North". It lies on the eastern side of the Great Desert called Anauroch. It is otherwise referred to as the Bloodstone Lands.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 05:59:00
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Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
Thank you for your posting. I would probably enjoy another Artemis book more so then Drizzt story. I mean for the most part Drizzt isn't getting challenged all that much unless hes fighting huge numbers. I don't even think hes 100 years old yet.
And I much would like to read Artemis trying to deal with getting older.
I, too, would prefer to read more about Jarlaxle and Entreri, and less about Drizzt... |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 05:59:45
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In Ed's "home" Realms campaign, "The North" is defined in three ways.
THO explains -
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..."the North" (collective everywhere in Faerun north of the Inner Sea and north of Waterdeep, respectively); "the Sword Coast North," and "the Moonsea North."
TSR and WotC, over the years, have gone all over the place on their usage, but Ed has always stuck to the above.
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Darth_Azalin
Acolyte
26 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 06:37:18
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
On a side note I do realize that P. N. Elrod isn't a FR Novelist but any talk about doing another Strahd or Azalin book?
Elrod has said on numerous occasions that she would love to right more fiction focusing on both Strahd and Azalin. However, with the demise of the RAVENLOFT novel line (both in 2e and the "proposed" 3e line) and the recent ending of White Wolf's handling of 3e RL material... it looks very unlikely.
We should refrain from discussing any more about RL however, since this would take this scroll off-topic. Let us continue with the discussion at hand... .
Sorry about mentioning non-fr stuff but I take half of my forum name from my favorite character. And to be honest I never did like White Wolf/Black Dog/S&S anyways. |
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Darth_Azalin
Acolyte
26 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 06:40:37
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
Ok I read page 124 Of dragon #336 and it talks about the 2 swords book with it being in the North.
Then go to page 123 of said magazine and it says about the promise that it is in the forzen north?
So are there 2 Norths?
Drizzt's adventures primarily focus on the region of the Realms known as the Savage Frontier... or simply, the North. It is the vast area of land usually considered to extend north from Neverwinter and adjacent coastal cities/towns and east to Anauroch.
The Damara/Vassa region that will be the setting for PotWK is another region of the northern Realms... but not "The North". It lies on the eastern side of the Great Desert called Anauroch. It is otherwise referred to as the Bloodstone Lands.
Much easier to quote this way... Don't know how to do a multiple post quote. Okay you mention in the above the Bloodstone Lands.. Are these the same lands in the H1-H4 series of ages ago... (Would love to see Artemis and Jaraxle do H4 Throne of Bloodstone Pass)
Speaking of Jaraxle do you think he stays around Artemis because for one the Bald Head Drow is curious about us humans or does he believe that althou Artemis is a human he might be more than his fighting prowess equal. Since Jaraxle couldn't even spare with Drizzt and Artemis can duel him for a long time. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 07:49:15
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Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
Sorry about mentioning non-fr stuff but I take half of my forum name from my favorite character.
There's no need to apologise . It's just that Candlekeep is a forum dedicated to discussion of the FORGOTTEN REALMS rather than other campaign settings.
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Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
Are these the same lands in the H1-H4 series of ages ago...
Indeed they are -- those adventures directly relate to the events in the Bloodstone Lands during that period of Realms history.
Additionally, there was a 1e FR sourcebook by RA Salvatore that provided a complete detailing of the region. 'Tis called The Bloodstone Lands.
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Darth_Azalin
Acolyte
26 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 09:04:45
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Ok just for people don't get confused you mention that the 1e FR sourcebook "The Bloodstone Lands" is actually 2nd edition d&d rules.
Modules FR1 to FR6 were written for 1st Edition AD&D; FR7 to FR16 for 2nd Edition.
Ok a couple of questions for you, Does it actually take place in Realms Time when that piece was written? Second just for more background material does Accursed Tower help as well?
Ok next is like another topic... But same thinking. With the upcoming/recent printing of "The Icewind Dale Trilogy" I noticed that "Streams of Silver" is book 5 of Legend of Drizzt.. Ok what gives? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 09:39:08
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Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
Ok just for people don't get confused you mention that the 1e FR sourcebook "The Bloodstone Lands" is actually 2nd edition d&d rules.
Modules FR1 to FR6 were written for 1st Edition AD&D; FR7 to FR16 for 2nd Edition.
Ok a couple of questions for you, Does it actually take place in Realms Time when that piece was written? Second just for more background material does Accursed Tower help as well?
Ok next is like another topic... But same thinking. With the upcoming/recent printing of "The Icewind Dale Trilogy" I noticed that "Streams of Silver" is book 5 of Legend of Drizzt.. Ok what gives?
In the H series of modules theres a bunch of prestated characters. Official Realms history records that those Characters completed the H series and one of the characters becomes King Of Damara
Drizzt novels
RAS did a presequel thing with the Drizzt story
In chronological order the books are
Homeland
Exile
Sojurn
The Crystal Shard
Streams of Silver
The Halflings Gem
Homeland starts in the year of Drizzts birth and the 3 books cover Drizzts adventures in Menzoberranzan, the underdark and the events leading up him arriving in Icewindale |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 10:41:33
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Well met
This is an interesting topic indeed and I have also wondered the actual timeline for Promise of the Witch-King. I suppose time will tell, but it would be interesting to know if the events follow on directly from Servant of the Shard or if there has been a break and the novel is set in the current timeline.
It may also be that the Sons of Gruumsh module is tied in with the events of the novel. I would expect so.
Oh, and i'm a little disgruntled at Servant being in paperback whilst Promise is in hardcover  |
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Darth_Azalin
Acolyte
26 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 11:16:34
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I'm sorry for posting a lot on this topic but I have a real need for information.
Sons of Gruumsh actually is about orcs of Thar and Moonsea area... how would that be tied into the new novel... |
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 11:58:00
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Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
I'm sorry for posting a lot on this topic but I have a real need for information.
Sons of Gruumsh actually is about orcs of Thar and Moonsea area... how would that be tied into the new novel...
Well met
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Darth_Azalin
Acolyte
26 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 12:10:51
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quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth
quote:
Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
Ok just for people don't get confused you mention that the 1e FR sourcebook "The Bloodstone Lands" is actually 2nd edition d&d rules.
Modules FR1 to FR6 were written for 1st Edition AD&D; FR7 to FR16 for 2nd Edition.
Ok a couple of questions for you, Does it actually take place in Realms Time when that piece was written? Second just for more background material does Accursed Tower help as well?
Ok next is like another topic... But same thinking. With the upcoming/recent printing of "The Icewind Dale Trilogy" I noticed that "Streams of Silver" is book 5 of Legend of Drizzt.. Ok what gives?
In the H series of modules theres a bunch of prestated characters. Official Realms history records that those Characters completed the H series and one of the characters becomes King Of Damara
Drizzt novels
RAS did a presequel thing with the Drizzt story
In chronological order the books are
Homeland
Exile
Sojurn
The Crystal Shard
Streams of Silver
The Halflings Gem
Homeland starts in the year of Drizzts birth and the 3 books cover Drizzts adventures in Menzoberranzan, the underdark and the events leading up him arriving in Icewindale
Well I didn't need all of that quoted.. How do I just quote a certain section without going manually and doing it?
Well so it looks like they took The Dark Elf Trilogy and Icewind Dales trilogy and put all 6 in the Legend of Drizzt? If I understand you correctly. |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 12:19:40
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| What would be even more interesting is whether theres a link between promise of the Witch King and Richard Lee Byers Year of Rogue Dragon novels |
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Drakul
Senior Scribe
USA
367 Posts |
Posted - 16 Sep 2005 : 05:37:57
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Drizzt and Enteri part company after the novel where Enteri tricks the Companion of the Halls into giving them the Shard.
You can safely read Servant of the Shard or Sea of Fallen stars without spoiling the other as the events inthe 2 novels do not affect each other
Actually, it was Bregan D'Aerthe that tricked Drizzt into giving them the Shard when one of them was disguised as Cadderly. And that happened in The Silent Blade. |
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Sep 2005 : 06:25:33
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Originally posted by Dargoth
What would be even more interesting is whether theres a link between promise of the Witch King and Richard Lee Byers Year of Rogue Dragon novels
I'm not sure they will coincide: do we have any idea when "Promise of the Witch-King" will be dated? RA Salvatore hasn't dated many of his novels - although it appears to be the trend these days that all FR novels have the month and year clearly stated. RA got out of this for some reason with his Hunter's Blade Trilogy, but I hope to heck that the novel is firmly dated. If it does take place at around the same time as RLB's work, you would think that there would have to be some synergy between the two. Wouldn't you?
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 16 Sep 2005 : 10:53:00
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If I remember correctly when the short stories take place where Jarlaxe and Artemis first arrive in Damara, and this novel takes place shortly thereafter, then this would still be a few years behind the Year of Rogue Dragons, but I can't remember specifics.
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 16 Sep 2005 : 12:18:02
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| The short story in realms of shadows occurs in 1367. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 16 Sep 2005 : 17:48:51
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Originally posted by Darth_Azalin
Well I didn't need all of that quoted.. How do I just quote a certain section without going manually and doing it?
You have to manually cut out the stuff you don't want... If you want to double-check the formatting after cutting the excess, you can hit the Preview button and make sure all the formatting is still correct. But after you've done it a few times, it's a piece of cake. |
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