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Dargoth
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 Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 01:16:19
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Just read the plot recap for the RPGA Legacy of the Green Regent module in Cold Blood
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/frgr/20050908a
Correct me if Im wrong
1) No Dragons in Waterdeep without the approval of Maaril
2) No vampires in Waterdeep thanks to Artor Morlin
3) No mention of a Lady Arus Eltorchul either in Elaine Cunninghams novel Dreamspheres or the FR Source book City of Splendors
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The Sage
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 02:00:58
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Lady Arus Eltorchul is mentioned in Steven's City of Splendors boxed set -- she is the consort of Thesp Eltorchul. The Eltorchul family are listed as part of the noblility in Waterdeep.
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Kuje
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 02:03:06
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| I thought the Maaril thing was also true since it's discussed in the new sourcebook...... |
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Melfius
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 03:06:52
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| Nope - check Wyrms of the North. There's two dragons (Eldenser, Jalanvaoss) living within the city with no mention of Maaril. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 03:34:10
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Originally posted by Melfius
Nope - check Wyrms of the North. There's two dragons (Eldenser, Jalanvaoss) living within the city with no mention of Maaril.
Yes but those were written in 2e and then updated in early 3e, which was long before the new Waterdeep sourcebook came out with the info about Maaril. Page 20 of the new Waterdeep sourcebook makes it clear that he can control how many dragons are in the city since they have to touch his staff to get past the ward. |
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Edited by - Kuje on 09 Sep 2005 03:37:14 |
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Melfius
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 03:42:11
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| Yet another reason I need to get that book. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 03:45:40
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Originally posted by Melfius
Yet another reason I need to get that book.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 06:07:42
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Originally posted by Kuje
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Originally posted by Melfius
Nope - check Wyrms of the North. There's two dragons (Eldenser, Jalanvaoss) living within the city with no mention of Maaril.
Yes but those were written in 2e and then updated in early 3e, which was long before the new Waterdeep sourcebook came out with the info about Maaril. Page 20 of the new Waterdeep sourcebook makes it clear that he can control how many dragons are in the city since they have to touch his staff to get past the ward.
That also doesn't mean they didn't make some deal with Maaril... |
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warlockco
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 09:28:59
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Correct me if Im wrong
1) No Dragons in Waterdeep without the approval of Maaril
Or just need to make a DC 41 Will save to resist the Antipathy effect of the Dragonward.
Some how I dont think a Small White Dragons going to be able to beat DC41 will save |
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khorne
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 13:27:32
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Shadovar
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 13:52:36
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Who is Maaril?
Maaril is known as the Dragon Mage, famed for his dragon shaped tower. If you have the CoS: Waterdeep manual, check page 32, and you will find it. |
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 00:25:19
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
That also doesn't mean they didn't make some deal with Maaril...
Wooly is indeed correct. All of the dragons that have resided in Waterdeep or been allowed to 'visit' have made individual arrangements with Maaril or had a dragon go-between arrange it for them - see Ed's short story in "Realms of the Dragon I" for an idea re such go-betweens.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 00:49:12
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Given Maarils involvement with Dragons it makes me wonder why Maaril hasnt got a visit from Sammaster (Whether to try and recruit him or kill him)
And speaking of Cult of the Dragon wasnt there a Dracolich hiding out in Waterdeep in the blue Waterdeep and the North booklet? |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 02:10:42
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Originally posted by The Sage
The dracolich is part of the "Temple War" adventure detailed in the book. 'Tis on page 62.
I wonder if the Maarils Dragon ward isnt effective on Dracolichs (much in the same way Dracolichs arent effected by the Dragon Rage) |
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 02:51:34
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Given Maarils involvement with Dragons it makes me wonder why Maaril hasnt got a visit from Sammaster (Whether to try and recruit him or kill him)
And speaking of Cult of the Dragon wasnt there a Dracolich hiding out in Waterdeep in the blue Waterdeep and the North booklet?
A) Maaril rarely leaves the City of Splendors (so far as I recall or know).
B) Sammaster rightly figures that he's unable to come within a day's ride of the city without the following figures knowing about it and doing something to him/about him: Khelben, Laeral, Harper-friends or some personal agents of the Blackstaff, Force Grey/Grey Hands, the Guard, Maskar Wands and all affiliated mages of his House, etc. Given the wide number and power of those arrayed against such as he, Sammaster wisely stays away from Waterdeep.
C) If all the above in B weren't enough, Halaster would know as well. And he's not half as kind to people encroaching on his turf as they are.  |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 03:36:02
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Still Sammaster could have popped in when his enemies were busy else where such as durinf the Shaughin invasion of Waterdeep or while Laeral and Blackstaff were off with their armies helping out the Elves.
It also wouldnt stop Sammaster from using Cult of the Dragon agents to rty and contact or kill Maaril.
I imagine the Cult would be quite keen to get a hold of Maarils Dragon Staff. The Cult may also view Maaril as vile Blasphemor as they views Dragons as near divine and Maarils Dragon ward restricts the movement of their "Gods"
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Kuje
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 03:41:25
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Okay,
Just to clear up something. Maaril didn't make the ward, he just uses it. It was created by Ahgharion, who is long dead. :) |
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warlockco
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 07:28:06
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Still Sammaster could have popped in when his enemies were busy else where such as durinf the Shaughin invasion of Waterdeep or while Laeral and Blackstaff were off with their armies helping out the Elves.
It also wouldnt stop Sammaster from using Cult of the Dragon agents to rty and contact or kill Maaril.
I imagine the Cult would be quite keen to get a hold of Maarils Dragon Staff. The Cult may also view Maaril as vile Blasphemor as they views Dragons as near divine and Maarils Dragon ward restricts the movement of their "Gods"
It all depends on when Sammaster "Came Back" to the world also, so to say. |
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Asgetrion
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 14:15:45
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| This may be a bit off topic, but I would like to ask Sage Schend about the former Force Grey - why change the name to Grey Hand? |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 14:22:43
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
This may be a bit off topic, but I would like to ask Sage Schend about the former Force Grey - why change the name to Grey Hand?
Sage Schend had nothing to do with that change. 'Twas Eric Boyd who did that. It was because "Force Grey" sounds more like something out of a comic book. "Grey Hands" has more of a Realms-feel to it. |
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Kajehase
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 14:23:07
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| I believe Eric L Boyd (who was the designer on CoS:W, and therefore a better person to ask this question) has answered this question in another thread. As far as I can recall, the reason was that Force Gray didn't sound very fantasyish. |
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Kuje
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 16:29:57
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On June 21, 2005 Eric Boyd said: WoTC decided that Force Grey felt inappropriate as a group name in the Realms and that Gray Hands was a more appropriate.
My bias is always towards consistency (to a fault), but if I was starting from scratch I would have definitely picked "Gray Hands."
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I'm not sure I understand the question, so correct me if I'm headed the wrong way here.
Ignoring 2e->3e mechanics and updates resulting from the passage of time, the change of the name from "Force Grey" to "Gray Hands" is the only deviation from canon that we made consciously (at least as far as I can remember). The feat I called "Hand of Tyr" didn't end up quite the way I envisioned (it started out as a way to explain that one-handed paladin of Tyr found in 2e CoS), but I think its a useful and well-balanced feat as written.
IMO, the name change isn't that big a deal ... lots of groups (like the Moonstars, for example) have lots of variant names. I'd simply treat Force Grey and Gray Hands as variant names for the same group.
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DDH_101
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Posted - 13 Sep 2005 : 01:43:12
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| 2) No vampires? Hmm... I was just reading Best of the Realms Book 1 yesterday and there was a story in there about Jander Sunstar (sp?) that takes place in Waterdeep. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 13 Sep 2005 : 04:00:48
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Originally posted by DDH_101
2) No vampires? Hmm... I was just reading Best of the Realms Book 1 yesterday and there was a story in there about Jander Sunstar (sp?) that takes place in Waterdeep.
Jander's been gone from Waterdeep (and the Realms) for a long, long time. Besides, he didn't actually reside in Waterdeep -- he only came there when the need to feed was too strong to be slaked by animal blood. |
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KnightErrantJR
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Posted - 13 Sep 2005 : 04:03:25
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| And I took the information on Artor to mean that if a vampire comes into Waterdeep and settles there or makes themselves known, thats when there is trouble. One just passing through, or perhaps even one that manages to lay VERY low for a long period of time could still be in Waterdeep. |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 13 Sep 2005 : 04:14:25
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| I vaguely recall that Jander was drinking the blood of the lunatics in the Insane Assylum (not draining them though) |
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In Cold Blood riddled with Realmslore Errors?
