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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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 Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 08:34:39
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Originally posted by Steven Schend
No, I didn't leave her body to be found, but her unique necklace (which would only come undone with her death) was found, IIRC....
Perhaps some crooked swindler is trying to pass of a fake! 
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Tifus Artwin
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 07 Sep 2005 : 20:05:28
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My take on all this,
El, or any other Chosen, has no more value to me then anyother High Level person thats keeping all the other High Levels in check, basicaly, my Dog will keep your Dog out of my yard.
As a Sage, and a Learned Man of the Realms however, Id seek him out every chance I got to do so.
I personaly see the Chosen as those that have been given a Medal of Valor/Distinction(sp?), yes that makes them important to someone, and places them on a pedestal of a sort, but if you compare them to commoners, in every day life, then the Chosen are useless, (atleast most of them are from what I can recall.)
Example: Look at a Large City, and lets say that 10% of the population takes care of the day to day task that are required to feed that city, what would happen if they all was inslaved by Fzoul, and lets say EL had to take thier place and keep everything from falling appart. What would happen to the City?
(Not counting on the fact that the City could import food stuffs, thats not a long term solution.)
Now say that El had prevented Fzoul from taking even one of those people, do they know about that fact? Has El just become more important then those farmers? or has El merely done what he has been doing for decades?
You really cant put importants on a person based on thier class levels, you have to judge them on a day to day bases, yes, that lvl-1 Commoner wouldnt stand one hit from El, but then any Orc could drop a commoner just as easy. All those Commoners are keeping the world running, without them, none of the Chosen of any Deity would have time for anything but finding there next meals, and then those like El would be conserned about others as well, while Fzoul and his breed would be worried about others eating thier future meals, and would likely kill them.
To go off Topic, Immagine the real world. Who makes a bigger daily Impact on your life? Is it the garbage men, the local clerc at the Dairy mart, or is it the Ambassador of the USA that hasnt set foot on US soil in the last 5 years, how about all those soldiers thats 5000 miles away fighting for other peoples rights?
Back on topic, The same can be taken to FR, you know El, the Sisters, and the Gods themselfs take interest in the world, but unless things get out of hand, Billy Bob down on the corner, John Doe over at Smith's Smithery, will never even see them in action, that doesnt make them less important, just means they are not as important to everyone else in the world.
So I guess Im saying that the Chosen, or anyother High Powered person in the Realms is Important, but only as Important as the World itself needs them to be. While the commoner that just walked by carring a basket of apples serves a daily function, and is therefore more important becuase of thier daily impact on everyone around them.
Before you laugh at that think on this as I leave you now, the noble that wants an Apple for breakfast will be impacted by that girl carring that apple basket, as will the guy down the road thats selling older apples, he will not make a sell becuase this girl has fresher apples then he does, the Nobles servant(s) will also be impacted becuase of this, she was able to get better apples for her Lord, she does not get beat that day, and gets home earlier becuase she wasnt bruised, and could finish her work sooner, the young apple seller makes enough money to feed her family that day, the old merchant with the apple stall has to leave town becuase he has gone to long without selling enough apples, and cant aford to live in the city anylonger.
It goes on and on, Every time something happens in a day to day situation ripples go out, and each ripple changes the World, but thats another dicussion, and I have taken more of your time then my fair share, and so now I pass the Torch to another.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2005 : 20:13:49
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Tifus,
Exactly. Now someone else needs to say the same thing over on the wotc boards because that's what I've been saying for 2 pages and people are still telling me that Elminster is MORE important then any 1 commoner/laborer |
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Tifus Artwin
Acolyte
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2005 : 21:28:09
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Glad that we are on the same page and of the same mind of the subject Kuje, Ive been playing DnD since about '94, been playing off and on in the Realms since about '96 and El and anyothers above about 18th lvl have never really been apart of those games Ive ran, or played in, doesnt make them any less Important, just means that they are other wise busy, and or otherwise indisposed.
However when it comes down to it, if I had to choise who was more important I would have to say the average commoner that provides the power behind everyone else, consider them the grease that keeps everything running, without it/them everything falls apart.
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Tifus Artwin
Acolyte
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2005 : 21:58:22
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By the Way Kuje, where is this thread at? Id love to go over there and say what I have said here and to see what else is going on, but I cant seem to be able to find it anywhere over there.
Mind tossing out the link to the Thread here?
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 00:48:17
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| It's in the FR board in the People and Places forum. The thread is Who hates Elminster. The commoner/laborer discussion are on pages 3 to 5 or 6 now. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 02:53:35
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Kuje, are you still battling those morons over there? You should know by now they are stuck in their semi-ignorant ways. 
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 03:24:23
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Kuje, are you still battling those morons over there? You should know by now they are stuck in their semi-ignorant ways.
C-Fb
Yeah..... :) But I stopped for a few days and it's time to stop again. |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Tifus Artwin
Acolyte
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 09:34:17
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| I went over and looked at it, didnt think it was really worth the time to hit the reply button to be honest. Ive seen to many of those threads over there lately and Ive just started to ignore them, let them be stupid all they want. |
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Tifus Artwin
Acolyte
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 09:36:43
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Back on Topic However, does anyone know what the Basic templet for a Chosen is? I know it has it for Mystra in one of the books I have somewhere around here, but what about the other Deitys? Do they all follow the same templet, or are each one custamized to the Deity it came from?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 11:23:16
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Originally posted by Tifus Artwin
Back on Topic However, does anyone know what the Basic templet for a Chosen is? I know it has it for Mystra in one of the books I have somewhere around here, but what about the other Deitys? Do they all follow the same templet, or are each one custamized to the Deity it came from?
~Tifus
There is no single, over-all "Chosen" template that applies to all deities. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 14:38:53
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
There is no single, over-all "Chosen" template that applies to all deities.
Nor should there be. The Chosen (and I'm only really referring to Mystra's Chosen here) are more useful in campaigns as extended plot devices -- or at the very least... as references that get dropped here and there in the adventurers path.
For me, Mystra's Chosen are like moonblades, the deities themselves, and the Lady of Pain -- campaign elements that should never be used in an adventure simply because they are "cool". I need more to justify their inclusion in my campaigns. To put it simply, having a "Chosen" template that is generic enough to apply to nearly every Chosen ever mentioned in the canon would de-value their roles in the Realms.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 14:43:48
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You mean I shouldn't use Storm Silverhand as a possible love interest for one of my PCs? I've also used Qilue in the past as well. They are great for that whole unrequited love arc.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31799 Posts |
Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 15:04:28
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
You mean I shouldn't use Storm Silverhand as a possible love interest for one of my PCs? I've also used Qilue in the past as well. They are great for that whole unrequited love arc.
C-Fb
Not necessarily. I'm always willing to allow such situations for creative players who can generate a detailed and "plausible" reason for why such a scenario exists. If a player was to suggest to me something like you're saying here... I'd look to understand why the player wants to do this (other than because it is "cool") and ask that they first put some work into supporting that plot element for their PC.
Sometimes, situations like this yield surprising adventure hooks... and so long as they're interesting, I'll always consider following them up.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 17:13:57
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Originally posted by The Sage
I'm always willing to allow such situations for creative players who can generate a detailed and "plausible" reason for why such a scenario exists.
Creative, detailed, and plausible...three characteristics I rarely see featured in online threads that have a topic like "My Character is a Chosen Of the Fluffy Bunny God" or "My half-orc/moon elf ranger's Moonblade." |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 19:28:36
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
You mean I shouldn't use Storm Silverhand as a possible love interest for one of my PCs? I've also used Qilue in the past as well. They are great for that whole unrequited love arc.
C-Fb
I'm reminded of a dwarf thief (2nd level) in one of my campaigns who attempted (thanks to his grand 9 charisma) to seduce then-Princess Alusair. It can happen -- and lead to amusing misadventures.
When the Seven show up in my campaigns as romantic interest objects, they tend to do what they do in the novels -- charm the pants off an adventurer, then disappear and get back to the real work that chosen do. 
Happy hunting!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
Edited by - Erik Scott de Bie on 08 Sep 2005 19:30:05 |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 08 Sep 2005 : 19:32:49
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| After the Simbul blasted the party into the Astral Plane none of my PCs want anything to do with any females with silver hair, no matter what they look like. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 02:28:43
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And seriously, what's up with the Dwarf with the Charisma of 9? Even rude dwarves need to get theirs!
C-Fb |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 04:00:28
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tsk tsk . . . haven't been reading my campaign journal, lol.
In my campaign, the way the rift opened above Shadowdale, as seen in Elminster in Hell, was due to the Shadovar finding a way to drop a ward that El had up. A Shadovar ambassador had made contact with Nergal to open up the rift, and one of my PCs was an unwitting pawn, bringing a shadow weave artifact into the wards area, thus negating it.
When the Simbul showed up to see what was happening, every other member of the party dropped their weapons to show that they meant no harm, but the lythari sorcerer fired a magic missle at her. It failed . . .
The Simbul, furious but still wanting to keep them alive in case she needed to find out more information, blasted the party into the Astral plane.
Oh, the artifact was a ring . . . the lythari is now known as Mourn Nine-fingers. You do the math. The druid wanted the whole hand taken off, but the cleric figured just the finger with the ring would do . . . |
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Tifus Artwin
Acolyte
USA
40 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 11:14:34
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| Hmmmm Ouch, is all you can really say to that. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 14:29:20
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Well, some people just have to learn than when an amazon-sized babe in tattered clothes appears out of no where and is radiating power (and has a locket with El's pic), that you just don't ever, ever ever, magic missile them. 
C-Fb |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 17:12:36
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| My thread got highjacked. :) |
For some of us, books are as important as almost anything else on earth. What a miracle it is that out of these small, flat, rigid squares of paper unfolds world after world, worlds that sing to you, comfort and quiet and excite you... Books are full of the things that you don't get in real life - wonderful, lyrical language, for instance, right off the bat. - Anne Lamott, Bird by Bird
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 18:10:26
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Not exactly, Master Kuje!
Our comrades here was only discussing the behaviour of an lithari adventurer that think of himself more important that the Chosen...
So, they are talking about the topic, yet... 
Chosen of Moradin, proclaiming that all goblinoids are equal, in the ligth of my Waraxe.... |
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Forge
Learned Scribe
USA
218 Posts |
Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 18:17:06
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Methinks that The Chosen of Mystra ARE more important than 10,000 commoners. This solely because they are repository for the power of the Weave and without that balance, the whole of Faerun goes kablooey.
Now, are they personally, intrinsically worth more? Nah, beyond being cool and fun. They get written about because they DO things tho. (Or DO things because they are written about... hard to phrase that right when you are talking about characters in a novel.) No one wants to hear about Goodsir Galen the Mole-slayer out hoeing again. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 20:00:40
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| I dunno Forge, what kind of moles is it he's slaying? Could be a spy-novel. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
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Posted - 09 Sep 2005 : 20:52:38
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
And seriously, what's up with the Dwarf with the Charisma of 9? Even rude dwarves need to get theirs!
C-Fb
Well, you see, that depends. . .
On whether he's a Chosen or not.
And allow me just to add, Kuje, before your thread returns to your control, that Vorpal swords tend to take care of those kind of debates. . .
And not in the way you'd expect. 
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 16:36:56
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Hey, no brandishing of the vorpal swords here. None needed.
I think we've determined that the Chosen is some aspects are more important, but should never overshadow the importance of those normal people who take up arms and defend or fight for their causes (the PCs).
And thanks to Erik Scott de Bie and KEJR - we know not to mess with the Chosen on anything romantic or spell-like!
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Thelonius
Senior Scribe
Spain
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Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 18:31:23
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I think we've determined that the Chosen is some aspects are more important, but should never overshadow the importance of those normal people who take up arms and defend or fight for their causes (the PCs).
::Nodding his head:: Completely agree. |
"If you are to truly understand, then you will need the contrast, not adherence to a single ideal." - Kreia
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
USA
326 Posts |
Posted - 10 Sep 2005 : 18:44:06
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Originally posted by Thelonius
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I think we've determined that the Chosen is some aspects are more important, but should never overshadow the importance of those normal people who take up arms and defend or fight for their causes (the PCs).
::Nodding his head:: Completely agree.
As do I |
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The Chosen of the deities
