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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
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 Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 21:07:10
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Originally posted by DDH_101
You don't think so?
Well, just look at the influence of USA compared to a country like Thailand. Sure, in the hierachy of politics they may be the same, but since America is a much larger and powerful country compared to Thailand, the US ambassador would have more influence in a discussion.
Well of course USA is much more important than other smaller countries. Im just saying its not just where you were born or how rich your daddy was. What matters most is if you use your talents in the most productive way or just sit on your gluteus maximus all day chatting with other people (like I do  ) |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
143 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 21:15:34
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| even smaller countries can influence the foreign policy of USA or England, they just got to to have better diplomats (and be better at behind kissing). |
I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 02 Sep 2005 : 21:48:54
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| Folks, we have strayed awfully far from the original topic. Let us return to the discussion of Chosen and their relative importance, okay? |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 16:06:36
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Lol. Okay. To stay on-topic, we'll use FR examples. I'll continue with the ones I had before.
Talanfir, do you think an ambassador from Archendale would have as much power and influence than an ambassador from Zhentil Keep? I don't think so, not when Zhentil Keep is the strongest power in the Moonsea region and with so many weak neighbours now. |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 16:40:12
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lol. Okay. To stay on-topic, we'll use FR examples. I'll continue with the ones I had before.
Talanfir, do you think an ambassador from Archendale would have as much power and influence than an ambassador from Zhentil Keep? I don't think so, not when Zhentil Keep is the strongest power in the Moonsea region and with so many weak neighbours now.
Even though your question is still a litle bit off topic i'll try to answer.
Now if the Archen ambassador has +15 on his diplomacy and the Zenth ambassador has +5 and also there comes the carisma to play. then sure the Archen ambassador would have more influence than tha Zenth.
The Archen ambassador also has much more influence in the dale area (and most of the other countries, because Archenfolk are much less likely to screw you over than the Zenths). The Zenth ambassador is more influential in Moonsea area.
You see what i'm saying. If you have good stats then you are influential. |
I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 16:50:19
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Check it - just ask yourself where the Simbul's power comes from? Is it because she is the chosen? Or is it because she has taken a political position? I tend to favor the latter. Same goes for Alustriel.
In my opinion, The Chosen are like the IMF or the World Bank. You only bother them when the <blank> hits the fan. Look at all the stuff they do when there is not a attack/plot/treachery happening. The just chill, and Storm seduces Harpers. And El seduces all women (don't know how, but...).
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 17:28:31
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Check it - just ask yourself where the Simbul's power comes from? Is it because she is the chosen? Or is it because she has taken a political position? I tend to favor the latter. Same goes for Alustriel.
Yeah, but if they weren't chosen would they have that political position? No. they would be just ordinary farmers daughters. Elminster would be just an orphan thief in Athlantar and Khelben would be despised mudblooded outcast in Myth Drannor. |
I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
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Thelonius
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 18:01:33
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| Indeed, it depends of the one who sees it. Who is most important to you, your son or the king of your country? It's a very subjective thing. Of course the chosen ones are importrant and powerful, but who is the one that helps the old farmer with his duties? I can't imagine Khelben or Laeral doing it. But they can save the Realms with one single action. It's hard but the both groups have the same weight, in their own ways. |
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Talanfir Swiftfeet
Learned Scribe
Finland
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 18:17:10
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| also it's easy for the chosen to just go and kill a despot. It's harder to help the former slaves/subjects of that despot (and keep other despots from filling the power vacuum) |
I am Talanfir Swiftfeet. (In)famous across the Swoardcoast as "Tal the Swift", Brandobaris´ seraph of mischief. If ye find yer shoelaces tied together while trying to catch a thief or meet a king who is angry because somebody switched the places of his chamberpot and his crown, ye can usually (try to) find me near.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 18:27:03
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Originally posted by DDH_101
Lol. Okay. To stay on-topic, we'll use FR examples. I'll continue with the ones I had before.
Talanfir, do you think an ambassador from Archendale would have as much power and influence than an ambassador from Zhentil Keep? I don't think so, not when Zhentil Keep is the strongest power in the Moonsea region and with so many weak neighbours now.
You're missing my point. :) Neither of these are more important then the other. We aren't discussing who has more power or influence, we are discussing which one is "more" important and the answer is neither of them. Both of them are just as important as the other, which is the same with a Chosen vs. a commoner. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 20:34:43
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Kuje is just saying that even though some people are blessed with power doesn't mean they are more important. It's just like the real world - people are people. We all put on our pants the same way, no matter who we are (Some 4-star General told me when I was in the Army).
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 21:23:11
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I think it cuts deeper than that.
For the most part, the Chosen should never be considered "normal"... and this is excluding their cases for "insanity". They are not normal in the regard that they are above what is considered the usual for most mortal humans in the Realms. They've been touched by a goddess, which indeed does set them apart from the rest of humanity -- but it doesn't in any way make them more important. Special yes, but not important. The Chosen are a "necessary" element in Faerun, in that they are a *part* of the game -- not the game itself. No, the game of FR is about the commoners, laborers, and rulers... those who will become PCs.
The basic fact is, that neither Chosen nor commoner are important enough to be considered above the other. They are, quite simply, just different parts of the world, with their roles determined by designers, writers, and DMs.
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 21:45:39
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Well put, Sage. I agree with your assessment of the situation, which leads me to another question - where is the free will in Faerun? If we have godchilds running around all the damn time, the common people never get to handle their business.
And I have a short, off-topic question - who are all 12 chosen? I have the Seven, Khelben, El.... Is Fzoul up there? How about Drizzt? And Szass Tam?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 22:16:41
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
And I have a short, off-topic question - who are all 12 chosen? I have the Seven, Khelben, El.... Is Fzoul up there? How about Drizzt? And Szass Tam?
C-Fb
Quoting a list Kuje posted...
Canon Chosen’s
Mystra
Elminster
Storm Silverhand
Laeral Silverhand
Alustrial Silverhand
Qilue Veladorn
Sylune Silverhand
Khelben Arunson
Dove Falconhand
Noumea Drathchuld (the last current magister, before the current magister Talatha Vaerovree of Innarlith was raised to the office.)
Alvaerele Tasundrym (She was the Magister back in 576 to 592DR. She's called the Silent Chosen and most have no idea she exists. She guards things the old Mystra wanted to keep secret, like where the Srinshee sleeps. She also makes sure to keep human, half-elven, and elven family trees up to date so they don’t become lost.)
Symrustar Auglamyr
The Srinshee
Embrae Aloevan of Ardeep
Sammaster (Past Chosen.)
Nadrathen, the Rebel Chosen (deceased).
Bane
Fzoul Chembryl
Cyric
Malik
Deneir
Cadderly Bonaduce
Eilistraee
Qilue Veladorn
Eldath
Ashenford Torinbow
Lady Shadowmoon Crystalembers
Shinthala Deepcrest
Gilgleam
Shuruppak (no longer a chosen since Gilgleam's death)
Mask
Kesson Rel
Avner of Hartsvale
Erevis Cale
Drasek Riven
Mielikki:
Jeryth Phaulkon
Ashenford Torinbow
Lady Shadowmoon Crystalembers
Shinthala Deepcrest
Oghma
Sephris Dwendon (appeared in Twilight Falling, deceased)
Shar
Underdark said she has one, but name and race wasn't given.
Silvanus
Ashenford Torinbow
Lady Shadowmoon Crystalembers
Shinthala Deepcrest
Talona
The Rotting man (Unapproachable East)
Ubtao
The six Baras of Mezro
•Alisandra Rayburton
•Dhlamass Rayburton
•Ras Ni
•Fipya
•Kwalu
•Mainu
•Ossaw I.
Umberlee
Slarkrathel
Malar
Has one but I can't recall the 3e Dungeon adventure where he is listed.
Lolth
Liriel Baenre (possibly but might be a exchosen now)
Another but I don't want to spoil a certain set of novels. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 22:16:56
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
And I have a short, off-topic question - who are all 12 chosen? I have the Seven, Khelben, El.... Is Fzoul up there? How about Drizzt? And Szass Tam?
C-Fb
Canon Chosens
Mystra
Elminster
Storm Silverhand
Laeral Silverhand
Alustrial Silverhand
Qilue Veladorn
Sylune Silverhand
Khelben Arunson
Dove Falconhand
The Simbul
Noumea Drathchuld (the last current magister, before the current magister Talatha Vaerovree of Innarlith was raised to the office)
Alvaerele Tasundrym (She was the Magister back in 576 to 592DR. She's called the Silent Chosen and most have no idea she exists. She guards things the old Mystra wanted to keep secret, like where the Srinshee sleeps. She also makes sure to keep human, half-elven, and elven family trees up to date so they don’t become lost)
Symrustar Auglamyr
The Srinshee
Embrae Aloevan of Ardeep
Sammaster (ExChosen)
Nadrathen, the Rebel Chosen (deceased)
Bane
Fzoul Chembryl
Cyric
Malik el Sami yn Nasser
Deneir
Cadderly Bonaduce
Eilistraee
Qilue Veladorn
Eldath
Ashenford Torinbow
Lady Shadowmoon Crystalembers
Shinthala Deepcrest
Gilgleam
Shuruppak (ExChosen since Gilgleam's death)
Mask
Kesson Rel
Avner of Hartsvale
Erevis Cale
Drasek Riven
Mielikki
Jeryth Phaulkon
Ashenford Torinbow
Lady Shadowmoon Crystalembers
Shinthala Deepcrest
Oghma
Sephris Dwendon (appeared in Twilight Falling, deceased)
Shar
Underdark said she has one, but name and race wasn't given.
Silvanus
Ashenford Torinbow
Lady Shadowmoon Crystalembers
Shinthala Deepcrest
Talona
The Rotting man (Unapproachable East)
Ubtao
Alisandra Rayburton
Dhlamass Rayburton
Ras Ni
Fipya
Kwalu
Mainu
Ossaw I
Umberlee
Slarkrathel
Malar
Anth-Malar
Lolth
Liriel Baenre (possibly but might be a ExChosen)
Another but I don't want to spoil a certain set of novels
Merrshaulk/Sseth
Pil'it'ith (ExChosen)
Sehanine Moonbow
Embrae Aloevan of Ardeep
Labelas Enoreth
Vartan Hai Sylver
The Seldarine (elven pantheon)
Queen Amlaruil of Evermeet
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 22:18:49
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Originally posted by The Sage
I think it cuts deeper than that.
For the most part, the Chosen should never be considered "normal"... and this is excluding their cases for "insanity". They are not normal in the regard that they are above what is considered the usual for most mortal humans in the Realms. They've been touched by a goddess, which indeed does set them apart from the rest of humanity -- but it doesn't in any way make them more important. Special yes, but not important. The Chosen are a "necessary" element in Faerun, in that they are a *part* of the game -- not the game itself. No, the game of FR is about the commoners, laborers, and rulers... those who will become PCs.
The basic fact is, that neither Chosen nor commoner are important enough to be considered above the other. They are, quite simply, just different parts of the world, with their roles determined by designers, writers, and DMs.
Exactly my point. :) Now if I could just get the WOTC posters to realize this. Some of them seem to believe that Elminster is on par as a president of the USA or another country. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 03 Sep 2005 : 23:51:53
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Thanks, Kuje - that cleared some stuff up - except that chick who is the chosen of like six gods! What's up with that?
Seriously, though, are the chosen basically like the Pope, then?
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 00:39:15
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I wouldn't equate them to the pope. The church of Oghma and Helm have at times had a high patriarch, and they are usually clerics trained and brought up through the heirarchy, and they can make grand pronouncements on the faith. Chosen are usually like special agents, and only a few seem to have a specific rank in the church, Fzoul being the main (evil) pope like Chosen that I can think of (and if you think of it, having your Chosen be the head of your whole religeon is much more likely with a Lawful Evil god of Tyrants than a Neutral Good goddess of Magic).
I would say most High Priests would take the word of a Chosen very seriously, but they are still going to put some weight into their own advisors, and their own power to commune with their god and its servants more directly than to just take orders from the various Chosen.
Heck, think about it. Elminster and Khelbun would likely issue VERY different directives, and both are Chosen of Mystra. |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 00:41:05
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Thanks, Kuje - that cleared some stuff up - except that chick who is the chosen of like six gods! What's up with that?
Seriously, though, are the chosen basically like the Pope, then?
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Which chic? The Queen of Evermeet or her daughter?
I'd say the Chosen are no where near the pope. They are just different beings of the deities. |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 03:03:14
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Kuje - I was talking about Lady Shadowmoon Crystalembers. What books or references is she from? Because she had obviously impressed some pretty high up deities to get the title of Chosen of all of those. Thanks again for the list.
Ok, so the Chosen aren't pope-like, that is true. Fzoul (not my dog, but the NPC) I can see being like an evil pope, except he has a mace that he will kill people with (and Manshoon on a leash). Oh well, I guess the Chosen are like a conglomerate and have no exact real world equivalent. Except they are all hot... or at least that's the general gist I get from reading about them.
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Sep 2005 : 03:21:26
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
Kuje - I was talking about Lady Shadowmoon Crystalembers. What books or references is she from? Because she had obviously impressed some pretty high up deities to get the title of Chosen of all of those. Thanks again for the list.
C-Fb
Vilhon Reach, which I believe is a free download on the WOTC site.
The three leaders of the Emerald Enclave are Chosens of Mielikki, Silvanus, and Eldath all at the same time. So, in otherwords, the three of them have 3 Chosen templates. :) |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 04:00:37
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You know, its funny, becuase sometimes I ponder what other fellow scribes here mean by this or that, and from time to time I disagree with them, but for the most part, everything that comes up has been a discussion, i.e. two or more people presenting their ideas, no matter how different, and either they come to consensus or they drift apart after making their points.
After finding the thread that I think Kuje was referring to on the "Other Boards" I have to say thank you to all of my fellow scribes once again that we actually tend to argue about the "higher functions" of the setting, and not about weather Elminster can be compared to Brittany Spears.
I think the consensus that those of us actually using more than a few spare brain cells have come up with here is that no one Chosen is the be all end all of the setting. Elminster may be the poster boy, but if he were to disappear, as he has over the centuries, much of Faerun would be largely unchanged for a good period of time. He is well known among the powerful, well known regionally, and recognized regionally, but Elminster's Daughter even proved that he could walk around Waterdeep without anyone really knowing who he was.
Anyone that thinks they understand the depths of the misunderstanding of the Chosen that Kuje was talking about should really take a peek (only a peek, don't upset Alaundo), at the WOTC boards, and you will find that you feel far more . . . er . . . functional when it comes to having a grasp on Realmslore. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 04:15:37
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Anyone that thinks they understand the depths of the misunderstanding of the Chosen that Kuje was talking about should really take a peek (only a peek, don't upset Alaundo), at the WOTC boards, and you will find that you feel far more . . . er . . . functional when it comes to having a grasp on Realmslore.
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Kes_Alanadel
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 04:49:59
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Heh heh . . . they may not like me for much longer after I came up with some alternate PrCs for Drizzt . . .
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=345843&goto=lastpost
Had to go take a gander.........
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 05:00:46
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KEJR - Are you trying to cause problems over there?
Troublemaker!
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Kes_Alanadel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 05:59:32
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Anyone that thinks they understand the depths of the misunderstanding of the Chosen that Kuje was talking about should really take a peek (only a peek, don't upset Alaundo), at the WOTC boards, and you will find that you feel far more . . . er . . . functional when it comes to having a grasp on Realmslore.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 06:56:43
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Originally posted by Kes_Alanadel
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Anyone that thinks they understand the depths of the misunderstanding of the Chosen that Kuje was talking about should really take a peek (only a peek, don't upset Alaundo), at the WOTC boards, and you will find that you feel far more . . . er . . . functional when it comes to having a grasp on Realmslore.
Can't be done. They don't like me over there.
Were you the one who left all the shavings around????
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Steven Schend
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Posted - 05 Sep 2005 : 07:25:52
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FYI, Symrustar Auglamyr is, alas, in the deceased column.
No, I didn't leave her body to be found, but her unique necklace (which would only come undone with her death) was found, IIRC....
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The Chosen of the deities
