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Originally posted by Goldforge

There's no one single concept of Nature. Talos himself doesn't likely think of his powers as the forces of Nature at all. We can say that it is Nature as we are a third and neutral party and can look at the bigger picture. Talos can only see things from his crazed and maniacal perspective.

However, my question still stands. Why can't they wear metal?

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I think if we're honest with ourselves, the real issue is simply game mechanics. Opening up metal weapons and armor would push druids way over on the point scale for class creation. They get an average BAB, D8 hit die, spells, medium armor and shields, a powerful animal companion, several cool class abilities, etc. To offset that, there is an alignment restriction, armor restriction, and the druidic weapons restrictions.

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Originally posted by Sir Luther Cromwell

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I think if we're honest with ourselves, the real issue is simply game mechanics. Opening up metal weapons and armor would push druids way over on the point scale for class creation. They get an average BAB, D8 hit die, spells, medium armor and shields, a powerful animal companion, several cool class abilities, etc. To offset that, there is an alignment restriction, armor restriction, and the druidic weapons restrictions.

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That, and, in many regards the use of metal armour in itself is seen as very unnatural by druids. The use of a scimitar is allowed because the scimitar is seen as a weapon that is less 'civilized' than the long sword or bastard sword. Not to mention, curved blades just seem to have a druidic feel to them. Armour is civilized, as well as straight swords.

On the issues of talos and thunder storms in nature. People think nature and they often think: happy trees, fairies, unicorns and fey that dance around and grow flowers everywhere. When really, yes this is an aspect of nature, but nature is to be both respected AND feared. Lighting storms, forest fires, volcanos, sand storms, earth quakes, heck even meterors, are all natural disasters, and part of nature itself. NE druids represent the nasty sides of nature, and CN druids represent its ever changing atmosphere. Catastrophies happen in nature ever day, and the tallassan druids are representatives of nature's destructive forces. However, never ever are the destructive forces more powerful than the constructive ones, hence Talos can never totally over power Silvanus.

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That, and, in many regards the use of metal armour in itself is seen as very unnatural by druids. The use of a scimitar is allowed because the scimitar is seen as a weapon that is less 'civilized' than the long sword or bastard sword. Not to mention, curved blades just seem to have a druidic feel to them. Armour is civilized, as well as straight swords.

On the issues of talos and thunder storms in nature. People think nature and they often think: happy trees, fairies, unicorns and fey that dance around and grow flowers everywhere. When really, yes this is an aspect of nature, but nature is to be both respected AND feared. Lighting storms, forest fires, volcanos, sand storms, earth quakes, heck even meterors, are all natural disasters, and part of nature itself. NE druids represent the nasty sides of nature, and CN druids represent its ever changing atmosphere. Catastrophies happen in nature ever day, and the tallassan druids are representatives of nature's destructive forces. However, never ever are the destructive forces more powerful than the constructive ones, hence Talos can never totally over power Silvanus.

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Originally posted by Goldforge
That's the question. What is 'unnatural' to a Talassan? Certainly not a bit of Armour. Unnatural to a Talassan would be something that is very hard, if not impossible to destroy. Why would Talos stop his Druids from using Metal Armour when he himself wears a Breastplate of it. His Clerics can use it too. What's so special about Druids that he makes them swear an oath not to use it?

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because the allpowerfull Ed of the Greenwood says so (or hasnīt said otherwise ).

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Originally posted by warlockco

Where in the rules does it say that Druids of Mielikki can wear metal armor? I don't recall ever seeing that rule.

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That's the question. What is 'unnatural' to a Talassan? Certainly not a bit of Armour. Unnatural to a Talassan would be something that is very hard, if not impossible to destroy. Why would Talos stop his Druids from using Metal Armour when he himself wears a Breastplate of it. His Clerics can use it too. What's so special about Druids that he makes them swear an oath not to use it?

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Nothing special about talassan druid, but druids in general would see metal armour as unnatural. In a way, I see it sort of like vegetarians: A vegetarian sees why its wrong to eat meat, but I (a meat lover) don't necessarily see the reasoning behind it. To eat meat goes against their oath.

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Originally posted by Goldforge

Wooly, that's a good point you made, but why would Talos then let his Clerics use metal if he forbids it for his Druids? Remmember, Talos himself wears a Breastplate, so why would he wear something that he was preaching to his Druids as 'unnatural'?

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