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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  04:31:19  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I suppose that is another likely facet for gods who have picked up extra portfolios from other powers -- interpreting the specific portfolio from their own perspective rather than using the portfolio "as is".

In other words, the portfolio of rot as envisioned by Moander was used quite differently from how it is now employed by Finder.

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  06:04:30  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

I suppose that is another likely facet for gods who have picked up extra portfolios from other powers -- interpreting the specific portfolio from their own perspective rather than using the portfolio "as is".

In other words, the portfolio of rot as envisioned by Moander was used quite differently from how it is now employed by Finder.




Ditto for Kelemvor.

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  11:39:12  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dargoth

Lets assume that Bane god of Hatred killed Sune the goddess of Love

Technically Bane would have the option of being the God of Love.

I suspect one of the following would take place

1) Bane would just drop the Love portfolio as he prefers hatred over love

2) Bane might want the Portfolio of Love but AO steps in and says no you cant have as he doesnt believe Bane can do the Love and Hatred Domains justice

3)Bane takes the Love portfolio but doesnt advocate it in affect Bane is still the God of Tyranny, Hatred and Fear but hes also got the portfolio of Love which hes not actively using. There could not be another God of Love unless someone defeats Bane and takes if from him



I think Bane would probably assume Sune's divine power and convert it to more "general" form, becoming stronger in divine might but ignoring the portfolio of Love. However, as we have seen in previous Realmslore, when a god slays another, they usually take on the portfolio of their victim.

So maybe Bane would take on the portfolio of Love, but twist it to a more bitter version of love - causing heartbreaks and tears in all affairs everywhere on Faerun. It could also be possible that being the god of love would eventually affect Bane, but if he had chosen to be the god of "teary-eyed lovers and bittersweet love" (or something like that ;) it might be that he'd not be affected by it. I think being the god of unhappy love would actually benefit Bane in general, since it would certainly cause more strife and hatred

Anyway, I wish to thank all you fellow scribes and sages for your excellent contributions to this thread - I only wish that the WoTC game designers would read them and convert them to published Realmslore

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Dargoth
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  13:19:43  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I could see Bane perverting Love, turning it to "Love your betters and do as they say"

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The Sage
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  15:20:08  Show Profile Send The Sage a Private Message  Reply with Quote
That works, because it also plays on Bane's "tyranny" aspect.

The "do as they say" is a type of servitude, because you are being held under what some may consider to be the greatest tyrant of all -- love (not that I'm speaking from experience or anything *winks at the Lady K* ).

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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  15:23:20  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage

The "do as they say" is a type of servitude, because you are being held under what some may consider to be the greatest tyrant of all -- love (not that I'm speaking from experience or anything *winks at the Lady K* ).




Nice dodge.

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Feanor
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  15:31:52  Show Profile Send Feanor a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Asgetrion

I think Bane would probably assume Sune's divine power and convert it to more "general" form, becoming stronger in divine might but ignoring the portfolio of Love. However, as we have seen in previous Realmslore, when a god slays another, they usually take on the portfolio of their victim.

So maybe Bane would take on the portfolio of Love, but twist it to a more bitter version of love - causing heartbreaks and tears in all affairs everywhere on Faerun. It could also be possible that being the god of love would eventually affect Bane, but if he had chosen to be the god of "teary-eyed lovers and bittersweet love" (or something like that ;) it might be that he'd not be affected by it. I think being the god of unhappy love would actually benefit Bane in general, since it would certainly cause more strife and hatred

Anyway, I wish to thank all you fellow scribes and sages for your excellent contributions to this thread - I only wish that the WoTC game designers would read them and convert them to published Realmslore




I can't see at all Bane taking love, because it would oppose his other portofolio "Hatred". It would come to a paradox, like someone who is at the same time prime-minister of Israel and boss of Hamas. Even if he twists it according to his own views, he will still have to promote a kind of love. Even this "love your better" will clash with his duty to promote hatred.

Second, if he emphasizes only the negative aspect of love, he would piss off Ao, since such an attitude would threaten the balance and probably Ao would take love back from him.
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  17:14:19  Show Profile Send Wooly Rupert a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Feanor

I can't see at all Bane taking love, because it would oppose his other portofolio "Hatred". It would come to a paradox, like someone who is at the same time prime-minister of Israel and boss of Hamas. Even if he twists it according to his own views, he will still have to promote a kind of love. Even this "love your better" will clash with his duty to promote hatred.

Second, if he emphasizes only the negative aspect of love, he would piss off Ao, since such an attitude would threaten the balance and probably Ao would take love back from him.



I have to agree. He's simply not suited to the portfolio.

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Melfius
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Posted - 28 Aug 2005 :  23:45:41  Show Profile  Visit Melfius's Homepage Send Melfius a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Also, from what has not been written about, I don't think Bane is even interested in Sune's portfolio. Tempus and Helm, maybe, but not Sune.

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 :  08:31:09  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Melfius

Also, from what has not been written about, I don't think Bane is even interested in Sune's portfolio. Tempus and Helm, maybe, but not Sune.



Unless he wished to pervert the whole concept of 'Love'
But I only used it as an example, although IF Bane would seize Sune's portfolio, I don't think Ao would intervene as long as he fulfilled his duty also as the God of Love... no matter how twisted and hated that Love would be

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Shadovar
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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 :  13:19:27  Show Profile  Visit Shadovar's Homepage Send Shadovar a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Wouldn't it be better if Bane took over Shar's and Lathander's portfolios? Mask portfolios will do nicely for Bane.

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Posted - 29 Aug 2005 :  13:39:01  Show Profile  Visit StromLancer's Homepage Send StromLancer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Shadovar

Wouldn't it be better if Bane took over Shar's and Lathander's portfolios? Mask portfolios will do nicely for Bane.



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Asgetrion
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 :  13:28:04  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Melfius, Bane might also be interested in gaining more "Godly Power" (or Divine Might) by slaying Sune, if only possible. If we assume that gods (their personalities and portfolio) are not influenced by the divine might they absorb from dead/slain deities, then any deity might be a suitable victim for more ruthless gods.

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Talanfir Swiftfeet
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 :  13:45:18  Show Profile  Visit Talanfir Swiftfeet's Homepage Send Talanfir Swiftfeet a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Tymora is a goddess of good fortune and Beshaba is a goddess of bad fortune. They are both a part of Tyche who was once a goddess of fortune (both good and bad). So if Bane took Sunes love portfolio and added it to his portfolio of hate would that make him a god of emotions? Or maybe he has to take other portfolios of emotions. Is there a god of envy or friendship?

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Asgetrion
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Posted - 31 Aug 2005 :  13:52:11  Show Profile  Visit Asgetrion's Homepage Send Asgetrion a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Talanfir Swiftfeet

Tymora is a goddess of good fortune and Beshaba is a goddess of bad fortune. They are both a part of Tyche who was once a goddess of fortune (both good and bad). So if Bane took Sunes love portfolio and added it to his portfolio of hate would that make him a god of emotions? Or maybe he has to take other portfolios of emotions. Is there a god of envy or friendship?



I think that might be a bit too "specialized", at least to my taste. My opinion is that since each god's power is dependant on the amount of his/her worshippers, the deities try to keep their portfolios about more "major" aspects. I agree that there could be a God of Envy, but what would be the point, if you can be the God of Hatred and Strife? And would you really want to become a God of Grass and Leaves, if you can be a God of Nature and Trees? Not to mention that you might have to wrest that small part of portfolio from an existing major power...

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