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Bocklin
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Posted - 27 Jul 2005 :  18:52:46  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote  Delete Topic
Here is what Richard Baker had to say about "The Red Hand of Doom". To come out early 2006. Seems like a very FR-friendly generic super adventure module!

Bocklin


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Yep, that's the one. Red Hand of Doom is a 128-page "super-adventure" that starts you off at 5th level and takes you up to about 10th or 11th. It's set in a stretch of a fairly generic campaign "region," but here's my secret plan: I made sure that the topography of the place very closely matched up with a piece of the Forgotten Realms map (specifically, the Channath Vale--the region around the Wyrmbones, Rethmar, and the Channathwood). You can drop the adventure into your FR campaign seamlessly.

The authors of the adventure are myself and James Jacobs, of Dungeon magazine.

I'll save more info for the FR seminar at GenCon.

Faramicos
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Posted - 27 Jul 2005 :  20:09:39  Show Profile  Visit Faramicos's Homepage Send Faramicos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Sounds cool. Good that our FR authors take care of us so that the Forgotten Realms are always first priority.

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Dargoth
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Posted - 29 Jul 2005 :  08:08:22  Show Profile  Visit Dargoth's Homepage Send Dargoth a Private Message  Reply with Quote
What I really want to know is if theres a 128 page Official FR module coming out next year Sons of Gruumsh is a mere 32 pages....

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Bocklin
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Posted - 29 Jul 2005 :  08:25:51  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Hi Dargoth,

I can imagine that the reasoning of the numbercrunchers (don't remember how Sean called them) was something like:

"FR sells to less people than Generic"
"Generic sells to the Generic buyers AND to some of the FR buyers"

Therefore

"Let's have a Generic module"


But then our beloved FR designers came in and twisted the machiavelian plot by not only convincing them to have a short FR module on top of the one they had planned, but also by making sure that the Generic-one (longer) would be FR-friendly.

Sounds plausible as an explanation. For sure I'd rather have a mega module ŕ la CotSQ, but if having a FR module packaged as a Generic one guarantees us to have more of them coming our way, then why not...

Bocklin

Edited by - Bocklin on 29 Jul 2005 08:27:30
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KnightErrantJR
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1) I hope Sons of Gruumsh sells well enough to warrent more Realms specific modules in the future. If you haven't looked at it, its pretty good, so go vote with your dollars.

2) I wonder if Rich is doing what the guys at Dungeon did with the Age of Worms and basically leaving most of the town names the same in a given areas, and just not specifically identifying them as being in the Realms.

I am really interested in this one due to the inclusion of Hobgoblins (my favorite underutilized goblinoid villains) and the cult of Tiamat.
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Bocklin
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Posted - 08 Dec 2005 :  20:04:35  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Some new info about the underlying Realmic dimension of the Red Hand of Doom. Here is what Rich Baker said on the designer's Thread over at WotC's Boards:

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Yep, that's pretty much it. The Wyrmsmoke Mountains in the adventure stand for the Wyrmbones, the Witchwood is the forest south of Lake Lhespen, the Elsir River is equivalent to the River Talar, etc. The Channath Vale is a corner of the Realms where very little has ever been done, so I think you could drop in Red Hand of Doom with no trouble at all.

Parts of the adventure take you to the "Bandit Waste" and "Lhespenbog."



It is to be understood in the context of Matt Smith's preview of the product:

quote:

Who Can Stand Against the Son of the Dragon?

The Wyrmsmoke Mountains shook with the thunder of ten thousand screaming hobgoblin soldiers. From the phalanx emerged a single champion. One by one the tribes fell silent as the warlord rose up, red scales gleaming along his shoulders, horns swept back from his head. A hundred bright yellow banners stood beneath him, each marked with a great red hand. He stood upon a precipice and raised his arms. "I am Azarr Kul, Son of the Dragon!" the warlord bellowed. "Hear me! Tomorrow we march to war!"

Red Hand of Doom is a Dungeons & Dragons adventure designed for characters of levels 6-12. Confronted with the relentless advance of Azurr Kul's horde, the characters must undertake vital missions to influence the outcome of the war. Can they shatter the armies of the enemy, or will Azarr Kul's dreams rain destruction upon the human lands?



I don't know for you, but it sounds quite interesting to me!

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Faraer
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  01:59:37  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
So, why have the place names been changed?
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Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Faraer

So, why have the place names been changed?



It's a generic product, but one that was written with the Realms specifically in mind.

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Faraer
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  03:46:40  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Or is it a Realms adventure written with a general audience in mind and sold as a non-Realms adventure?

It's a disadvantage for those using it in the Realms to have to change the names back, so presumably there's thought to be a positive advantage for those not using it in the Realms.
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warlockco
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  03:52:59  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Just be grateful they are doing modules again.

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Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Faraer

Or is it a Realms adventure written with a general audience in mind and sold as a non-Realms adventure?

It's a disadvantage for those using it in the Realms to have to change the names back, so presumably there's thought to be a positive advantage for those not using it in the Realms.



No, from what I recall, it was always intended to be generic. It was the author's choice to make it ready to easily drop into the Realms.

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warlockco
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  04:18:39  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert

quote:
Originally posted by Faraer

Or is it a Realms adventure written with a general audience in mind and sold as a non-Realms adventure?

It's a disadvantage for those using it in the Realms to have to change the names back, so presumably there's thought to be a positive advantage for those not using it in the Realms.



No, from what I recall, it was always intended to be generic. It was the author's choice to make it ready to easily drop into the Realms.



That was the impression that I got from the answers Rich has given about the module.

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Bocklin
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Posted - 10 Dec 2005 :  10:28:05  Show Profile Send Bocklin a Private Message  Reply with Quote
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That was the impression that I got from the answers Rich has given about the module.



Yes, that's how it sounded.

It seems that, with the semi-official abandon of Greyhawk as core setting, there might be more and more of these "generic-but not so generic" products.

Erik Mona said on Dungeon's Board that, when they were developping the "Age of Worms" campaign arc, they had received instructions from WotC not to call the main city "Greyhawk" (read: the Greyhawk setting phasing out was being initiated).

So one could argue that the AoW is a generic campaign written with Greyhawk in mind; like the Red Hand of Doom will be a generic adventure written with the Realms in mind...

As long as they don't try to sell us modules with Warforged and Dragonmarks as "generic", I am just happy that they are producing modules at all!

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warlockco
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Posted - 11 Dec 2005 :  01:32:35  Show Profile  Visit warlockco's Homepage Send warlockco a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Exactly

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Faraer
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Posted - 11 Dec 2005 :  22:03:38  Show Profile  Visit Faraer's Homepage Send Faraer a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Age of Worms is definitely a Greyhawk adventure in a non-Greyhawk wrapping.
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