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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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 Posted - 26 Jul 2005 : 13:42:01
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| What we need is for some hardcore FR fans to take over Hasbro. |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2005 : 15:28:33
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Originally posted by khorne
What we need is for some hardcore FR fans to take over Hasbro.
Huh?, Why? |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
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Ioulaum
Acolyte
USA
18 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2005 : 19:59:23
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I want to see armies fight. It blows my mind that with all the villans out there. No one has done a actual invasion with a real organise army lead by a competant general.
I know it won't happen since FR is dedicated to a small band of adventures but it would be nice to see a novel about real armies with real stragties. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2005 : 22:56:38
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Originally posted by Ioulaum
I want to see armies fight. It blows my mind that with all the villans out there. No one has done a actual invasion with a real organise army lead by a competant general.
I know it won't happen since FR is dedicated to a small band of adventures but it would be nice to see a novel about real armies with real stragties.
The invasion of the Tuigan Horde, and Azoun IV's Crusade to stop them, don't qualify?
Or the fey'ri trying to take Evereska?
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 26 Jul 2005 : 23:30:49
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| Wooly, he meant REALLY organized invasions, you know, not like the Shades or even the great marching of Obould against Mithral Hall. |
Still rockin' the Fey'ri style. |
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Neo2151
Learned Scribe
USA
113 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2005 : 08:12:30
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Hm, honestly I'd say I'd like to see more stories focused on the Knights, but as it seems, Ed's already taking care of that one, so no need to mention it really 
Other than that, I'd honestly love to see novels set inside one of the various orginizations that exist. There's SO much lore that isn't being used it makes me sick. Show me the story of a member of the Nightmasks or the Shadowlords. Give me a story about Larloch's plans from his POV rather than having the evil guy be the antiganist all the time. Someone mentioned stories of the three Manshoon clones. Personally I think that'd be a great idea. More Manshoon period in my opinion is good as he's always downplayed as a weakling compared to his rivals when he actually makes appearances (powerful spellfire weilder, strongest chosen of mystra, etc.). As much as I love a good RSE every now and then, it's the stories about the little guys I remember so much more. With an RSE, it's so action packed that you can't not enjoy it, but it doesn't give you as much focus on the little guys like it aught to. Scions of Arrabar is quickly becoming some of my favorite reads for just that reason. |
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Erik Scott de Bie
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
4598 Posts |
Posted - 28 Jul 2005 : 22:27:02
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I know a lot of authors and a lot of fellow Realms fans have been pretty sure that they aren't listened to by WOTC and their book department, and this may be true. Obviously they don't want forum feedback on their books, since they did away with the novels forum and have basically banned novel only discussions.
I was under the impression that was more because of slamming and flaming authors, rather than because they didn't want the input. Not sure -- I've never been to the WotC boards, and I'm not really interested, since they don't have a novels section.
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But I wonder, who would you contact at WOTC to send a nice e-mail detailing which authors you really would like to see more of, and what characters. While they may ignore message boards, tons of well written, enthusiastic e-mails asking for more Elaine (and more of Lamruil and his new elven kingdom . . . just a personal preference) or any other author and well loved characters, might at least let them know where some of their sales are.
Ah, now here's the comment I wanted to address!
Such emails -- no matter how reasoned and cogent -- I think, may well come off as mere fanmail (particularly if one were to send tons, which will just sound rabid), and WotC doesn't know whether what you're saying is true for a wide audience (which would be helpful to the pocketbooks) or just yourself (not quite as helpful).
The messages that should really be sent, actually, are letters and emails urging and begging WotC to expand their publishing department: give their current editors at least a slight raise, hire an additional editor or two, and release more books say, oh, half again as many, or even twice as many each year. Then all the authors you know and love will have space and additional freedom to explore.
'Course, WotC needs the money to do that, and money comes from selling books, and the MOST money comes from selling books that'll sell exceptionally well, which of course they have to guess. . . Sigh.
I think getting RAS on the top 10 list and having more and more bestsellers is helping out, though. . .
Good luck!
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Erik Scott de Bie
'Tis easier to destroy than to create.
Author of a number of Realms novels (GHOSTWALKER, DEPTHS OF MADNESS, and the SHADOWBANE series), contributor to the NEVERWINTER CAMPAIGN GUIDE and SHADOWFELL: GLOOMWROUGHT AND BEYOND, Twitch DM of the Dungeon Scrawlers, currently playing "The Westgate Irregulars" |
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Ioulaum
Acolyte
USA
18 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 01:15:37
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ioulaum
I want to see armies fight. It blows my mind that with all the villans out there. No one has done a actual invasion with a real organise army lead by a competant general.
I know it won't happen since FR is dedicated to a small band of adventures but it would be nice to see a novel about real armies with real stragties.
The invasion of the Tuigan Horde, and Azoun IV's Crusade to stop them, don't qualify?
Or the fey'ri trying to take Evereska?
I want to see ORGANIZE armies, not mobs.
I want to see pincer movements, flanking maneuvers.
I want to see more effective use of magic in war
-illusionists hide the army
-diviners trying to locate opposing army
Here is a example that irks me quite a bit.
In Death of A Dragon, the reinforcement led by the Cleric of Tymora charge down a hill without any cover across a field knowing full well that a really big Red Dragon is lurking about. Her forces were not scatter to avoid excatly what happen to it.
That is what i call a prime example of what I don't want to see. What I wanted to see was someone who is leading a army would be smart enough to scatter her army to avoid being roast by the dragon, having her wizards and clerics keep a lookout for the dragon and casting anti-fire spells on her army if possible. Not doing a full charge into a death trap. |
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khorne
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1073 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 09:50:08
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Originally posted by Ioulaum
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Ioulaum
I want to see armies fight. It blows my mind that with all the villans out there. No one has done a actual invasion with a real organise army lead by a competant general.
I know it won't happen since FR is dedicated to a small band of adventures but it would be nice to see a novel about real armies with real stragties.
The invasion of the Tuigan Horde, and Azoun IV's Crusade to stop them, don't qualify?
Or the fey'ri trying to take Evereska?
I want to see ORGANIZE armies, not mobs.
I want to see pincer movements, flanking maneuvers.
I want to see more effective use of magic in war
-illusionists hide the army
-diviners trying to locate opposing army
Here is a example that irks me quite a bit.
In Death of A Dragon, the reinforcement led by the Cleric of Tymora charge down a hill without any cover across a field knowing full well that a really big Red Dragon is lurking about. Her forces were not scatter to avoid excatly what happen to it.
That is what i call a prime example of what I don't want to see. What I wanted to see was someone who is leading a army would be smart enough to scatter her army to avoid being roast by the dragon, having her wizards and clerics keep a lookout for the dragon and casting anti-fire spells on her army if possible. Not doing a full charge into a death trap.
A valid point. |
If I were a ranger, I would pick NDA for my favorite enemy |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 11:24:07
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Originally posted by Ioulaum
I want to see ORGANIZE armies, not mobs.
I want to see pincer movements, flanking maneuvers.
I want to see more effective use of magic in war
-illusionists hide the army
-diviners trying to locate opposing army
Have you read Crusade? The Alliance army was organized and made effective use of the War Wizards. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jul 2005 : 12:50:51
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| Or Horselords, the Tuigan army was pretty darn well organised too. |
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Uniqueuponhim
Acolyte
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 14:51:00
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More (and better) character development. I just finished the Starlight & Shadows series and thought it was awesome just because Elaine Cunningham focused so much on the actual characters, without sacrificing any of the plot. This is the thing I don't like about most of Salvatore's FR books: The plots are great, but the characters are all so one-dimensional (the exception to this, of course, being Homeland.) I'd really love to see more books focusing on character development. I think a series about Gromph Baenre from his birth up until he becomes archmage would be awesome.
I'd also like to see less "good vs evil" type books, and more ones that don't have such clear cut "good" and "evil" sides. Those types of books tend to be a little too predictable, and you almost always know how they are going to end. This is why I like the War of the Spider Queen series (so far) and I'd like to see more books set in Calimport, focusing on the thief guilds there - things like that. |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 30 Jul 2005 : 16:12:38
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Ioulaum, I'm sure the various war-leaders want to see organized, effective battle tactics, too. However, if you look at the example you cited, it was a deliberate example of "fog of war," and far more realistic. (Believe me, I've been in a real war zone; generals who use pretty maps and "look down from above" are generally living in an even greater fantasy world than the Realms is!)
Specifically, that force was fighting a ground war against goblins and orcs, not expecting to face the Devil Dragon there and then. If you want to see a novel that deals with long, detailed battle scenes from a tactical level, be aware that most WotC editors think these will sell far less well (smaller audience appeal) than doing narrow-focus scenes on individual heroes and villains. Traditional sales figures bear this out.
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What do you want to see in FR Novels
