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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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 Posted - 20 Jul 2005 : 05:27:03
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| Me too! Dwarves are too underrated in FR. I actually want to read a novel where the protagonist of the novel is a dwarf. I mean, reading about humans and elves are great, but we need a change. |
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Murray Leeder
Forgotten Realms Author
Canada
228 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2005 : 21:19:48
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Faraer
...the Circle of Shadowdale, the Battledale Seven...
Oh yes, very much so!
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...dwarves and gnomes...
I couldn't agree more. I have yet to read a quality Realms tale involving gnomes that really provides the reader with a taste of what life is like for the aptly named 'Forgotten Folk' of the Realms.
I can only hope that Son of Thunder might reverse this statement. I can't recall any other gnome villains in novels. |
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ode904
Learned Scribe
Finland
193 Posts |
Posted - 20 Jul 2005 : 21:28:51
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Originally posted by Kuje
No more Realms Shaking Events. I'm tired of watching FR get ripped apart or destroyed in each novel or trilogy. A small change is fine but this continent spanning destruction is getting out of hand. Damn Time of Troubles started it and it just keeps getting worse and worse.
Otherwise, return to the small scale events, adventures, adventurers, etc, like the Sembia novels or the Harper novels, etc.
Agreed. Realms have to get to balance(ok, th Realms are never in balance, but no shaking events). Maybe more intresting characters.. Don't know. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 01:06:08
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Originally posted by Murray Leeder
I can only hope that Son of Thunder might reverse this statement. I can't recall any other gnome villains in novels.
Murray, from what you told me about how you handled barbarians in your novel... I'm sure to enjoy Son of Thunder regardless.
And if there's a gnome villain... well, so much the better for me! 
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
2396 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 05:36:52
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
But I wonder, who would you contatct at WOTC to send a nice e-mail detailing which authors you really would like to see more of, and what characters. While they may ignore message boards, tons of well written, enthusiastic e-mails asking for more Elaine (and more of Lamruil and his new elven kingdom . . . just a personal preference)...
Thanks for the thought, but I'm not sure that emails would have the effect you're hoping for. The theory is that people who write to publishers and hang out on message boards are "hardcore fans," and not a representative sample of what the general readership wants.
Look at it this way: If all you knew about R.A. Salvatore's books was what you read at the old WotC FR Novels forum--or even here at Candlekeep--you'd assume that his books weren't particularly popular. In reality, however, he outsells every other FR author, several times over. I think publishers could learn a lot from fan feedback, but they'd also be getting a lot of skewed information.
WotC knows how many copies each of the FR books sell, and that's the sort of reader feedback guaranteed to get a publisher's attention. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 05:44:16
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Okay Elaine, if you say so . . . I guess I'll just have to go to the nuclear option . . . I'll have to find some nuns to start praying for it . . . I've never been able to hold out once the nuns start praying . . .
"Sister Anita?"
"Yes child, how can I help you?"
"My favorite author needs to get more book assignments from WOTC."
"Yes dear, go on."
"Could you pray for her?"
"What kind of books does she write?"
"Slavic Dating guides."
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 05:54:10
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ElaineCunningham
Forgotten Realms Author
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 06:11:42
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
(Really hoping Elaine remembers what I am referring to, or else I'll seem even less sane than my usual marginal self).
Yep, I remember. :)
Since you're keeping an eye out for real-world applications, I should probably mention that one important Polish trait was conspicuously absent from the portrayal of the Rashemaar culture: the compulsion to feed people. Hospitality is viewed as not only a virtue, but a blessing. I grew with the Polish maxim, "Guest in the house, God in the house." In short, if you plan to hang out with Poles, you'd better come hungry. :)
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 06:23:13
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When I visited her family on the East Coast, I wasn't hungry once the whole week . . . and her mother was shocked whenever I suggested we go out and save her the trouble of cooking.
Then of course there was the midnight feeding the children ice cream that we didn't find out about until we got back home.
And bringing this topic full circle and back on track, Elaine seems to really be able to use aspects of a culture without "cutting and pasting" something so that it looks like "oh, this is the Realms version of Poland."
Rashemen definately is its own place, but the slavic aspects make it recognizable as well. I wish more authors had Elaine's gift for striking that balance. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 12:20:10
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| Sigh, what a pity that supporters for RSE's are so few, but I admit I am seriously looking forward for a RSE that provides a bigger bang than the Time of Troubles. A RSE that involves all the major heroes, outstanding characters and renowned villains and mysterious monsters as well as some good sizable city of Faerun in a big titanic clash would be something I am looking forward to, something that will change the face of Faerun for all time. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
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In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
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Sir Vengeance
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 12:36:05
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Sigh, what a pity that supporters for RSE's are so few, but I admit I am seriously looking forward for a RSE that provides a bigger bang than the Time of Troubles. A RSE that involves all the major heroes, outstanding characters and renowned villains and mysterious monsters as well as some good sizable city of Faerun in a big titanic clash would be something I am looking forward to, something that will change the face of Faerun for all time.
Yeah! I like your idea of a bigger RSE with more impact on Realms, I am already very bored of small scale events, too unappetizing, thats why I play campaigns that involves big plots, big events and big disasters in the Realms. I had been dreaming of a dynamic RSE more dynamic than the ToT and what Shadovar suggested fits what I had been envisioning.
PS: I love BIG RSE's for they are what I favor the most. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 12:49:09
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Sigh, what a pity that supporters for RSE's are so few.
Shadovar, may I ask.... Are you [fairly] new to the realms? As in started with 3rd edition?
I only ask because I actually loved the Time of Troubles novels. I started in the Realms with 3rd edition and I thought it was great to see the novelization of how Bane died and how Cyric and Kelemvor came to power. But think for a minute how it would have been if you were a realms veteran. Imagine if something like that happened now....
Imagine you are up do date on all of your 3E lore, you have your bright and shiny copy of Faiths and Pantheons that you have converted to memory, and you have a character that you have been playing for years who happens to be a follower of...let's say Lathander.
Then, some authors get the idea that it would be really cool to write a story about a huge RSE that fundamentally changes the realms that you know and love. Lathander is killed, so your character is now ruined. Not too mention a handful of other gods and you might as well throw out your nice copy of Faiths and Pantheons because everything has been re-ordered.
I for one would be very upset.
Now, let me reiterate. I like the Time of Troubles. But probably because I started reading/playing FR after that event.
And if you ask me the other events aren't really that Realms Shaking so I do not have a problem with them. Look at it this way, Last Mythal takes place in 1374 yet not once is it mentioned that only a year ago rampaging dragons destroyed half the nation. Neither Last Mythal or Rogue Dragons had any mention of the climate being changed from the melting of the high ice.
RSE's other than Time of Troubles are really Pseudo RSE's and I really don't have a problem with them. However, an RSE on the level of Time of Troubles would be a very bad idea in my eyes. |
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DeathRage
Acolyte
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 12:50:51
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I would like to see another ToT with more deities worshipped by the various races all cast down with Lord Ao (its time he should walk as an avatar and understand what's the true balance) and in action but I don't wish to see them fight among themselves, rather I would like to see the avatars not only inter-fighting, but clash with demonic hosts and maybe The Elder Eternal Evils as well as more enemies. This time, it should not be over some tablet of fate but over something more major, more serious. And the avatars' clashes should be detailed in all parts of Toril, better still if the avatars can fight their enemies and themselves in the other planes.
There should be more bloodshed and more detailed and exciting combat. |
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TymoraChosen
Seeker
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 13:03:41
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| As an FR fan, I am not afraid nor upset by sweeping changes to the Realms, instead I support such changes. Anyway, every beginning has its end which cannot be delayed nor denied. Therefore, I am hoping that more powerful and even more realm shaking RSE's would be written as I am a fan of RSEs anyway. I hope the upcoming RSEs will involve more ancient enemies of Toril and of the gods as well, which will make things more thrilling, more appetizing to my taste. |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 13:50:24
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Originally posted by Chosen of Bane
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Sigh, what a pity that supporters for RSE's are so few.
Shadovar, may I ask.... Are you [fairly] new to the realms? As in started with 3rd edition?
An amusing reply , thanks, Chosen of Bane, for providing hours of amusement for me by asking me that question.
But since you ask me question, still I will answer that question of yours as I see no right to deny you an answer. Perhaps I admit I am not that knowledgeable in FR as everyone here despite working hard on researching FR lore and stuff during my now fewer and fewer free hours. But somehow, you see, certain critical FR materials I need are "extinct" so knowledge I seek on certain FR stuff are lost, worse still, they are hard to find and expensive to purchase as well. So you can say I am quite new to FR itself. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
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In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 16:38:37
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Shadovar, I think the point Chosen of Bane was trying to make was that someone new to the Realms probably is less likely to cringe at the thought of yet another RSE of the year.
Then again, I've merely been reading these books and game-accessories for less than three years, and as can be surmised from my choice of words, am not too fond of the big Realms-shattering stories. What I want when I read an FR-book is:
A) A good, fast-paced adventure story clearly set in the Forgotten Realms.
B) And even more importantly, but something I want from all fiction-novels I read, well developed characters.
Furthermore, while I certainly don't mind the ocasional BIG event, when there is one every year the impact tend to become somewhat lessened.
"Help help, the world is coming to an end!" the common-looking commoner screamed as he ran through the generic-styled tavern.
"What, again?" said the innkeeper to one of the mercenaries leaning against the bar.
"They say that the frog-elves who lived among the sea elves in the olden days have returned from the Plane of Ale, and that they're pissed!" the commoner screamed, turning slightly blue in the face.
"Frog-elves?" A look of disgust crossed across the face of the mercenary who straightened his loincloth and straightened himself. "That's it, I'm moving to Ankh-Morpork. At least you're not supposed to be surprised by this sort of thing happening there." |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 17:21:40
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Oh, that was good. Damn frog elves anyway . . . quote:
"That's it, I'm moving to Ankh-Morpork. At least you're not supposed to be surprised by this sort of thing happening there."
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 17:45:46
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I am against larger RSEs for exactly the reason that Kajehase espoused: too many lessens the impact. I used to read superhero comic books, and that was one of the things that soured me on them. Every week, there was a new villain and a new threat to All of Existence. So they battle, the white hats win, they go home... And then, days later, it happens again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Another issue is scope. Bigger than the ToT? The gods themselves getting kicked out of the heavens, their power dimished to the point that mortals could kill them, magic and nature going awry... And this isn't big enough for you?
Oh, and all of the deities in the world were cast down during the ToT. It affected all pantheons, not just the Faerūnian one. Racial pantheons and regional pantheons were all cast down.
Someone else suggested Lord Ao being cast down. To what end? Lord Ao is more powerful than the deities who created the world. Why should he be cast down?
And the Elder Eternal Evils are powerful enough to challenge the gods while they are still in the heavens. Cast them down, and the gods are toast if they have to fight Kezef, Dendar, and the Ityak-Ortheel.
Further, going for bigger and bigger events takes the focus away from the people who live in the Realms. What's Drizzt going to do to the Ityak-Ortheel? Nothing, he'll be an appetizer. Erevis Cale? Dendar would roll over and crush him without noticing. Danilo Thann? He might provide a moment's amusement to Kezef before being blotted out of existence... |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 17:49:48
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I whole heartedly agree with Wooly, with one exception:
Kezef would have dibs on Cale. |
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Richard Lee Byers
Forgotten Realms Author
USA
1814 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 19:29:51
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I'd like to think that we can do stories that feel big, important, and generally epic without blowing up half of Faerūn or depicting preposterous situations where mortal heroes slaughter godlike entities against whom they ought to have no chance whatsoever. That's what I'm trying to do in Year of Rogue Dragons, although, of course, it's not for me to say whether I'm succeeding. That's for readers to judge.
I do understand the point of view of readers who feel there are just too many RSE's. Although obviously, at this point, with two of the darn things under my belt, I'd be considered part of the problem.
I imagine that from WotC's point of view, the bottom line is that RSE's sell better than the average FR novel, and as long as that's the case, they'll keep asking us writers to bang them out. |
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
USA
552 Posts |
Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 19:43:59
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
That's what I'm trying to do in Year of Rogue Dragons
If my vote counts for anything Mr. Byers you are doing a fine job. I thoroughly enjoy the Rogue Dragons books. I was actually using the term "pseudo-RSE" in a positive manner. If I remember correctly the only thing that has really been destroyed is Ylraphon, which has been rebuilt countless times anyway.
Events like the Time of Troubles are the real problem in my opinion. If the Year of Rogue Dragons included the Draconic destruction of Waterdeep, Calimport, and all of Cormyr than I would probably have a problem with them. |
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Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 21 Jul 2005 : 23:55:21
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Sir Vengeance
"Greetings to all FR fans, well, I thought it would be interesting to see what the FR fans want to see in their FR novels, so I posted this topic. Well, come, share what does you wish to see in your FR novels or had been secretly envisioning. But please no offensive statements against the authors.
Come, tell what's you had been dreaming to see in your FR novel, it can be Manshoon versus The Witch King or anything. Please share your views, thanks."
Sex is good. But gore has its place as well.
Seriously, I tend to write short stories about what I'd 'like to see.' It gets it out of me and gets me my fix. I'm starting one about a half-elf living in a small, human village who increasingly isolates herself from others in order to avoid rejection. As the only priestess, her withdrawal from the community precipitates both a poor harvest and several deaths from starvation and illness during the coming winter. She is abandoned first socially and then physically when a group of orc raiders appear. What follows is as much about her showing her worth as it is her efforts to survive.
I guess that's a good example of what I'd like to expand on that. I'd like to see 'little stories,' stories that focus more on a character's personal desires and goals then realm-spanning tales in which a group of adventurers save the world from an invasion of evil moppets. I don't want dragon slayers; I'd much rather read about someone surviving on a combination of luck, cunning, and skill than their massive attack bonus, plethora of magical items, and enough eldritch firepower to wipe away Tokyo.
I'd like to see more mature themes, both a 'not suitable for children' mature and a 'requiring an adult sensibility' mature. I remember reading TSRs Code of Ethics and being repulsed. I have the feeling that WotC has loosened the reins since then (I haven't seen theirs) but it seems they still feel that the Forgotten Realms should only include fantasy action-adventures with simple moral demarcations in which there is always a happy ending (good guys win/bad guys die). I appreciate that there are solid, financial reasons for this but notice the books are becoming more flexible and hope to see more.
One last bit. I'm not certain if this is will make sense but with some books I am very aware of there being a game behind it. Every fantasy world has rules but I don't enjoy books were there's an obvious ruleset. The characters don't grow as much as level and the structure is more gamelike than storylike. Does anyone else get this feeling?
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 13:01:52
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I am against larger RSEs for exactly the reason that Kajehase espoused: too many lessens the impact. I used to read superhero comic books, and that was one of the things that soured me on them. Every week, there was a new villain and a new threat to All of Existence. So they battle, the white hats win, they go home... And then, days later, it happens again. Lather, rinse, repeat.
Another issue is scope. Bigger than the ToT? The gods themselves getting kicked out of the heavens, their power dimished to the point that mortals could kill them, magic and nature going awry... And this isn't big enough for you?
Oh, and all of the deities in the world were cast down during the ToT. It affected all pantheons, not just the Faerūnian one. Racial pantheons and regional pantheons were all cast down.
Someone else suggested Lord Ao being cast down. To what end? Lord Ao is more powerful than the deities who created the world. Why should he be cast down?
And the Elder Eternal Evils are powerful enough to challenge the gods while they are still in the heavens. Cast them down, and the gods are toast if they have to fight Kezef, Dendar, and the Ityak-Ortheel.
Further, going for bigger and bigger events takes the focus away from the people who live in the Realms. What's Drizzt going to do to the Ityak-Ortheel? Nothing, he'll be an appetizer. Erevis Cale? Dendar would roll over and crush him without noticing. Danilo Thann? He might provide a moment's amusement to Kezef before being blotted out of existence...
Amusing reply, I hope the Ityak-Ortheel will get a serious terrible bout of indigestion after eating Drizzt. Erevis Cale unlikely to be steam rolled by Dendar, afterall, even as an Elder Eternal Evil, it has minor weaknesses to be exploited into big weaknesses by small and rapid moving shades. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 16:33:36
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Originally posted by Richard Lee Byers
I'd like to think that we can do stories that feel big, important, and generally epic without blowing up half of Faerūn or depicting preposterous situations where mortal heroes slaughter godlike entities against whom they ought to have no chance whatsoever. That's what I'm trying to do in Year of Rogue Dragons, although, of course, it's not for me to say whether I'm succeeding. That's for readers to judge.
Succeeding quite well Richard, I liked the Rite fairly well (but not as much as Shattered Mask).
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I do understand the point of view of readers who feel there are just too many RSE's. Although obviously, at this point, with two of the darn things under my belt, I'd be considered part of the problem.
I imagine that from WotC's point of view, the bottom line is that RSE's sell better than the average FR novel, and as long as that's the case, they'll keep asking us writers to bang them out.
Yup, I may prefer the smaller stories of the Harpers- or Sembia-series to the big earth-shattering themes (they tend to work better on celluloid than in ink, in my opinion), but I'm definately not blaming the authors for not getting as much of it as I want, and I can't say that I can become too upset with WoTC for wanting to earn money of their products either, still I would like it if the Realms-shattering events could become Realm-shattering instead.
P.S. Thanks for the comment made by Melder about women worshiping a goddess who likes to take the form of a unicorn, a small but clever sentece that had me smiling for an hour or so |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Jul 2005 : 17:09:49
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I agree. I much prefer the lower impact stories over RSE's. Sembia is one perfect example. Again, the Erevis Cale trilogy is a stunning series so far but is very localised.
Another....The Yellow Silk - fantastic!, and only set in the dirty backstreets of a settlement never mentioned before.
For these stories, for the locals, it IS a RSE... THEIR world has been disrupted and shattered, and I feel more of an impact by concentrating on that aspect than I do with tales that tell of global effects for some reason. I guess it appears more down to earth in a way. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 02:30:28
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
Another....The Yellow Silk - fantastic!, and only set in the dirty backstreets of a settlement never mentioned before.
Echoes this.
The Yellow Silk was a great addition to 'The Rogues' series. And it was a pleasure finally reading an FR novel that connected (although only moderately) with Kara-Tur.
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 05:23:32
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
I agree. I much prefer the lower impact stories over RSE's. Sembia is one perfect example. Again, the Erevis Cale trilogy is a stunning series so far but is very localised.
Another....The Yellow Silk - fantastic!, and only set in the dirty backstreets of a settlement never mentioned before.
For these stories, for the locals, it IS a RSE... THEIR world has been disrupted and shattered, and I feel more of an impact by concentrating on that aspect than I do with tales that tell of global effects for some reason. I guess it appears more down to earth in a way.
So it appears that there are two definitions to the term RSE:
1) It can be an event that turns the Realms upside down.
2) It also can be an event that turn upside down the character's life. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 05:53:24
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
I agree. I much prefer the lower impact stories over RSE's. Sembia is one perfect example. Again, the Erevis Cale trilogy is a stunning series so far but is very localised.
Another....The Yellow Silk - fantastic!, and only set in the dirty backstreets of a settlement never mentioned before.
For these stories, for the locals, it IS a RSE... THEIR world has been disrupted and shattered, and I feel more of an impact by concentrating on that aspect than I do with tales that tell of global effects for some reason. I guess it appears more down to earth in a way.
So it appears that there are two definitions to the term RSE:
1) It can be an event that turns the Realms upside down.
2) It also can be an event that turn upside down the character's life.
While the latter viewpoint is a valid one, most of are referring to the 1st choice when we speak of RSEs. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 23 Jul 2005 : 06:59:21
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Shadovar
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I agree. I much prefer the lower impact stories over RSE's. Sembia is one perfect example. Again, the Erevis Cale trilogy is a stunning series so far but is very localised.
Another....The Yellow Silk - fantastic!, and only set in the dirty backstreets of a settlement never mentioned before.
For these stories, for the locals, it IS a RSE... THEIR world has been disrupted and shattered, and I feel more of an impact by concentrating on that aspect than I do with tales that tell of global effects for some reason. I guess it appears more down to earth in a way.
So it appears that there are two definitions to the term RSE:
1) It can be an event that turns the Realms upside down.
2) It also can be an event that turn upside down the character's life.
While the latter viewpoint is a valid one, most of are referring to the 1st choice when we speak of RSEs.
Indeed. By its very definition, a "Realms Shaking (Shattering) Events" usually encompass a fairly large area of the Realms and quite a considerable number of people, places, and races.
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Accursed
Acolyte
Australia
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Posted - 25 Jul 2005 : 17:33:22
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Originally posted by Kuje
No more Realms Shaking Events. I'm tired of watching FR get ripped apart or destroyed in each novel or trilogy. A small change is fine but this continent spanning destruction is getting out of hand. Damn Time of Troubles started it and it just keeps getting worse and worse.
I certainly agree with this.
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I want to see a series of books, each dedicated to a different Manshoon clone -- hopefully including some clones beyond the "official three".
Now, this idea has some potential! 
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I also wouldn't mind seeing the timeline advanced a dash so that the infant Azoun could take the throne.I kind of like Cormyr...Though that's most likely not going to happen.
This is also something I would like to see, but I agree it isn't likely.... 
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What do you want to see in FR Novels
