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Sir Vengeance
Acolyte
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 Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 00:51:17
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Greetings to all FR fans, well, I thought it would be interesting to see what the FR fans want to see in their FR novels, so I posted this topic. Well, come, share what does you wish to see in your FR novels or had been secretly envisioning. But please no offensive statements against the authors.
Come, tell what's you had been dreaming to see in your FR novel, it can be Manshoon versus The Witch King or anything. Please share your views, thanks.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 01:13:16
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No more Realms Shaking Events. I'm tired of watching FR get ripped apart or destroyed in each novel or trilogy. A small change is fine but this continent spanning destruction is getting out of hand. Damn Time of Troubles started it and it just keeps getting worse and worse.
Otherwise, return to the small scale events, adventures, adventurers, etc, like the Sembia novels or the Harper novels, etc. |
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Sir Vengeance
Acolyte
42 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 01:21:59
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Originally posted by Kuje
No more Realms Shaking Events. I'm tired of watching FR get ripped apart or destroyed in each novel or trilogy. A small change is fine but this continent spanning destruction is getting out of hand. Damn Time of Troubles started it and it just keeps getting worse and worse.
Otherwise, return to the small scale events, adventures, adventurers, etc, like the Sembia novels or the Harper novels, etc.
Impressive reply, impressive. A good reply, I must say, anymore views? Come on,everybody, feel free to post but no offensive stuff especially against the authors. |
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DDH_101
Master of Realmslore
Canada
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 03:48:41
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| More series focused on individual organizations. If there's a Harper series, why can't there be ones about the Cult of the Dragon, The Red Wizards or the Zhentarim? |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:06:31
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I would like to see showdowns between the Realms best heroes and most evil villains, it would be exciting to see heroes like the great Drizzt or the great El going one on one with Lolth or the cunning Sammaster. Better still, if all it is a three or four way war between the Realms Heroes and Villains.
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- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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TymoraChosen
Seeker
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:20:01
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I would certainly be praying for more Realm Shaking Events to happen more often, I am bored of reading small scale events, but RSEs on the other hand really provide tons of excitement and thrill for me. RSEs are good as we see involvement of many known and yet to be known heroes and villains, it also highlights some of the mysteries or strange things of The Realms which many FR fans had been thinking about and yet having no answers.
RSEs also allows insight into how heroes or folk of the Realms react to crises, whether in a proper or improper way. It also kind of inject life and interest into places which are considered boring or not taken note of such as Evereska. Therefore, I am in 500% support for RSEs as they provide a lot of non-stop action and more heart stopping thrills. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:28:22
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I think Douglas Niles explained my feelings on this matter really well when he explained why the second Moonshae trilogy was set so far after the first trilogy. He said that if you set the next big event a year or two after a major event that they have just overcome, it basically makes you feel like their victory in the last trilogy doesn't have much meaning. He wanted Tristan and Robyn to have 20 years of prosperity so you knew it meant something when they defeated Kazgoroth and Bhaal and saved the Moonshaes.
The same can be said of RSEs. After a while, if you read all of the Realms books, it becomes less exciting to think that the Realms could be irrevocably altered if the heroes don't save the day, when some other heroes just saved the day a few months ago.
This is not a comment on either author, nor their series, as I have enjoyed both so far, but a good example of this is the Year of Rogue Dragons and the Last Mythal series. The Last Mythal series is set a year after the Year of Rogue Dragons. The Year of Rogue Dragons isn't even done yet, but we know that not much could have come of Sammaster's plans becuase no one is mentioning huge swaths of Faerun being ruled by undead dragons and the Cult of the Dragon.
It makes it harder to suspend disbelef when every trilogy is a major event meant to affect large areas of Faerun. Reigning in the RSE would be a good step toward restoring the suspension of disbeleif in the Realms again. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:41:32
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| I want to see a series of books, each dedicated to a different Manshoon clone -- hopefully including some clones beyond the "official three". |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:46:28
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I think Douglas Niles explained my feelings on this matter really well when he explained why the second Moonshae trilogy was set so far after the first trilogy. He said that if you set the next big event a year or two after a major event that they have just overcome, it basically makes you feel like their victory in the last trilogy doesn't have much meaning. He wanted Tristan and Robyn to have 20 years of prosperity so you knew it meant something when they defeated Kazgoroth and Bhaal and saved the Moonshaes.
I can certainly buy this view... One of my fave (non-Realms) authors has written several books, set in his own world. And there have been several big, shake up everything events in his world... But they're spread out so far that it's not like a comic book, with the Dire Threat of the Week in every issue. He sets the events so far apart that the characters in the first trilogy wind up being rumors and legends in the more recent books. I think he's covered a span of about 150 years, thus far. |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
USA
466 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 04:56:02
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
I want to see a series of books, each dedicated to a different Manshoon clone -- hopefully including some clones beyond the "official three".
Not bad on this.Though to scale it back.I wouldn't mind just seeing a story about Manshoon himself.Before the clones.
For my requests.One would be to see more of Elaith Craulnober.(I'm starting to sound like those yum-yums over at "The Boards that shall reamin nameless",who call for Orcus all the time).Sorry if I offend
I also wouldn't mind seeing the timeline advanced a dash so that the infant Azoun could take the throne.I kind of like Cormyr...Though that's most likely not going to happen. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:01:38
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Originally posted by Kuje
No more Realms Shaking Events. I'm tired of watching FR get ripped apart or destroyed in each novel or trilogy. A small change is fine but this continent spanning destruction is getting out of hand. Damn Time of Troubles started it and it just keeps getting worse and worse.
Couldn't agree more. Consider what Kuje said to be echoed by me as well.
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Otherwise, return to the small scale events, adventures, adventurers, etc, like the Sembia novels or the Harper novels, etc.
Again, I agree. I'd really like to see a 'Sembia'-styled series for some of the Border Kingdoms.
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RedStrike
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:02:31
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I agree that RSE's should be spaced apart to avoid confusion but actually I say that RSE's are comparatively better thanb reading small scale events. Its like would you want a event with a bigger bang that will give you a lasting good impression or an event with a smaller bang that won't give a lasting impression. Hence, I am in full favor of RSE's.
Perhaps novels on the Crown Wars and the Origins of the Drow would be what I want to see. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:05:55
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| I know it only treated the topic briefly, but I loved what we found out about the Crown Wars and the origin of the drow in Evermeet by Elaine Cunningham. I would worry that someone else working in this time period might seem like they are "revising" her work, and I am somewhat saddened that WOTC isn't utilizing Elaine more, especially in the areas of Elven Lore. |
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Tylas
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:12:04
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
I know it only treated the topic briefly, but I loved what we found out about the Crown Wars and the origin of the drow in Evermeet by Elaine Cunningham. I would worry that someone else working in this time period might seem like they are "revising" her work, and I am somewhat saddened that WOTC isn't utilizing Elaine more, especially in the areas of Elven Lore.
Perhaps someone should petition Wotc to tale up authors specailized in writing elven lore. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:22:58
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I know a lot of authors and a lot of fellow Realms fans have been pretty sure that they aren't listened to by WOTC and their book department, and this may be true. Obviously they don't want forum feedback on their books, since they did away with the novels forum and have basically banned novel only discussions.
But I wonder, who would you contatct at WOTC to send a nice e-mail detailing which authors you really would like to see more of, and what characters. While they may ignore message boards, tons of well written, enthusiastic e-mails asking for more Elaine (and more of Lamruil and his new elven kingdom . . . just a personal preference) or any other author and well loved characters, might at least let them know where some of their sales are.
I would suggest any e-mails are focus, i.e. if you want more of Elaine Cunningham and more Doug Niles (just as an example, I know he has more or less moved on to DragonLance), focusing on what you like about Elaine, what you would like to see her write, and how much of her stuff you have bought, and then a separate and similar letter about the other author, would be more effective than a "laundry list" (I want another Elaine book, more Moonshaes, and a half dozen new Avatar Trilogy tie ins)(Again, just an example).
Does anyone know what a good e-mail address at WOTC would be to even try this? |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
785 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:25:11
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Pardon my interruption, I think I had a lot of things I want to see in FR novels, say, I would like to see Khelben Blackstaff fall from grace or lose his Chosen status, then let see how he can cope with such problems like how Elminister coped with in the Book 1 Of The Shadow oF the Avatar. No doubt, we will see him frantic and frustrated or go mad(hopefully Lady Laeral is not around) as he work his way back to grace. A series on Khelben is something I would like to see.
Also, more should be written on Shade Enclave, like shade rebels causing a revolt on Telamont's heirachy. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:28:21
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Well, there is a Khelbun book in the offing from none other than Steven Schend . . . though I doubt he will be losing his status or his mind, though I certainly can't speak for Steven on his plans for the Blackstaff.
Shadovar, Khelbun must have REALLY ticked you off, lol. |
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DeathRage
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:32:19
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Pardon my interruption, I think I had a lot of things I want to see in FR novels, say, I would like to see Khelben Blackstaff fall from grace or lose his Chosen status, then let see how he can cope with such problems like how Elminister coped with in the Book 1 Of The Shadow oF the Avatar. No doubt, we will see him frantic and frustrated or go mad(hopefully Lady Laeral is not around) as he work his way back to grace. A series on Khelben is something I would like to see.
Also, more should be written on Shade Enclave, like shade rebels causing a revolt on Telamont's heirachy.
I am in full 1000% support of a Khelben series and a novel on Khelben losing his sanity, its time to focus on Khelben who had been enjoying too much good life in waterdeep. Say, Khelben should join Elminister in Hell and see how the two survive or paw dirt at each other. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:35:04
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| Between the Threat from the Sea, the Phaerimm hordes attacking Evereska, and managing the Moonstars, somehow I doubt Khelbun has been living the high life . . . besides, he is a very type A, outcome based individual . . . his only vice being his lady love and painting, which apparently as a painter Khelbun makes a good wizard . . . |
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StromLancer
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:37:02
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Originally posted by Shadovar
Pardon my interruption, I think I had a lot of things I want to see in FR novels, say, I would like to see Khelben Blackstaff fall from grace or lose his Chosen status, then let see how he can cope with such problems like how Elminister coped with in the Book 1 Of The Shadow oF the Avatar. No doubt, we will see him frantic and frustrated or go mad(hopefully Lady Laeral is not around) as he work his way back to grace. A series on Khelben is something I would like to see.
Also, more should be written on Shade Enclave, like shade rebels causing a revolt on Telamont's heirachy.
If I were to envision a Khelben series or trilogy depicting his downfall from grace, I would envision it with a big event(plotted by Manshoon) to disgrace and embarass Khelben that made him look like Waterdeep Public Enemy No.1 and how Laeral abandon him for good. Ahh....it would be good to see Laeral abandon him and remove the strongest pillar of support which Khelben had been relying on so long(which i had been praying that it will happen). It is time Khelben rely on himself, be independent, learn the views and perspective of the world through the commoners eyes and act as a real man and a real Chosen. |
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KnightErrantJR
Great Reader
USA
5402 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:44:18
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Hm . . . this is really interesting. Apparently some of my fellow scribes have a much different view of Khelbun than I do. Its always interesting to see someone else's take on a character. Even with Laeral I have always seen Khelbun as a very strong character.
(Fighing back brining up the Batman analogy and how Laeral would be almost like the Robin to Khelbun's Batman, softening him somewhat when he goes to his most extreem . . . ) |
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Shadovar
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:51:12
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Originally posted by KnightErrantJR
Hm . . . this is really interesting. Apparently some of my fellow scribes have a much different view of Khelbun than I do. Its always interesting to see someone else's take on a character. Even with Laeral I have always seen Khelbun as a very strong character.
(Fighing back brining up the Batman analogy and how Laeral would be almost like the Robin to Khelbun's Batman, softening him somewhat when he goes to his most extreem . . . )
That makes all the more that I wish to see Khelben in action alone without backing from even Lady Laeral. Still, I am hoping that the Laeral would be weary of him and abandon him for all time. Then that's when things hotten up, will we see Khelben as the heroic archmage riding to war against the Realms's foes and sweep them away decisively with his powers and wits or will we see Khelben reduced to a rag tag old man trying to regain his glory. |
We have fostered trust, recruited loyalty, and gathered the faithful. We have trained thousands. Our legions can cover the land, fill the sky and travel through the darkness. We can hunt any and all that would deny our heritage. Now is our time, now is the time of the Dark Reign(Rain) of the Empire of Shadows.
- High Prince Telemont Tanthul, Lord Shadow
In a speech given to the citizens of Shade Enclave
At the celebration of the Shinantra Battle victory when he revealed that he was THE Lord Shadow of legend. |
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DeathRage
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:56:28
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| Ahem, while I am in full favor of Khelben being reduced from hero to zero, still,I suspected that laeral will still care for him to the end. Hence, if there is a plot to make Khelben go insane as Cyric......wait a minute.......Khelben become another Cyric? Excellent! I like that idea! Still, there must be way to force Laeral or a scene to convince Laeral to abandon Khelben for good, let me think....in the meantime, any fans who wish to see Khelben fall, please post in your suggestions. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 05:57:19
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| It seems us Khelben fans are a minority... But we seem to be straying a bit off-topic. Perhaps a separate thread about Khelben would be in order, so that the novel discussion can continue? |
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Sir Vengeance
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 06:03:22
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
It seems us Khelben fans are a minority... But we seem to be straying a bit off-topic. Perhaps a separate thread about Khelben would be in order, so that the novel discussion can continue?
Of course, for the conveniece of those interested in Khelben's fall from grace, I have a topic posted already so that this novel discussion can continue. |
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Faraer
Great Reader
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 15:10:00
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I posted this at the rasalvatore.com boards:quote:
I'd like to see more books featuring adventuring companies, new characters, common folk, Mirt, Durnan, Mintiper Moonsilver, Sharanralee Crownstar, Arilyn Moonblade and Danilo Thann, Mane's Band, the Circle of Shadowdale, the Battledale Seven and other druids and rangers, dwarves and gnomes, books not set in the WotC 'present', Best of Eddie vol. 2 and more short stories in general, more scenes of beauty and ordinary life, less gratuitous action, and no RSEs.
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Osieu
Acolyte
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Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 16:18:16
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I'd like to see some action of villains. Not those "gray" guys like current Entreri or Jarlaxle (maybe they're still Evil, but ther're doing the heroes' job now), but truely BBEG up to some evil master plan - and succeed at some degree please!
There're powerful heroes and powerful villains in FR. But while heroes can take great action in novels, villains mostly stay in background (read campaign settings) as potential targets of would-be heroes. "We're making some enemies against elves for this year!""Let's see... can you use those demon elves?" Maybe they could give bad guys some other roles someday... |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 19 Jul 2005 : 17:20:47
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| I'd not mind seeing some of the NPCs that have been in Dragon featured in novels. Particularly Baelam "the Bold". |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 20 Jul 2005 : 02:53:45
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...the Circle of Shadowdale, the Battledale Seven...
Oh yes, very much so!
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...dwarves and gnomes...
I couldn't agree more. I have yet to read a quality Realms tale involving gnomes that really provides the reader with a taste of what life is like for the aptly named 'Forgotten Folk' of the Realms.
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Chosen of Bane
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 20 Jul 2005 : 03:21:11
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I would love to see a novel detailing the strife between the two factions of the Zhentarim. The Banites being the good guys and Cyricists being the bad guys of course.
I also would love to see some novels about Dwarves that aren't named Dagnabit, Bumpo Thunderpuncher, and Cordio Muffinhead. Why must the stout folk always be utilized as comedic relief? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 20 Jul 2005 : 04:07:36
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I also would love to see some novels about Dwarves that aren't named Dagnabit, Bumpo Thunderpuncher, and Cordio Muffinhead. Why must the stout folk always be utilized as comedic relief?
Isn't that what they're for?  
I see your point, though. Some of the dwarvish names used in the past have not sounded overly dwarven. |
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What do you want to see in FR Novels
