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Myssa Rei
Acolyte
Philippines
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 Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 04:42:55
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Before I go into my question, I was finally able to buy myself a copy of the Player's Guide to Faerun, though it really tore a hole in my purse... 1645 Philippine pesos ain't cheap, especially for a unversity student doing part-time such as myself... Anyway, I digress. ^^
I was browsing through my Lost Empires guide book (yes, I have it too... I have an expensive hobby, I know), cross-checking the locations of the ancient realms, and I noticed a location that wasn't even mentioned in passing in the book: Oederhode (sp?). What is the story to this place? Why wasn't it even detailed in the supplement?
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 05:11:31
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It's a very obscure gnome nation mentioned in one of the old Polyhedrons ... Everwinking Eye column by Ed Greenwood.
As to why it's not in the book, Rich asked George and I for a map of -626 DR. George and I put our heads together and came up with every place of note we could find in obscure Realmslore for that date ... as it turned out, Oederhode was in the right place at the right time, it's just not been flushed out yet.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 05:34:15
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
...Oederhode was in the right place at the right time, it's just not been flushed out yet.
This may be something we should pass over to Ed then.
Perhaps he's thought more about Oederhode since his Everwinking Eye series...
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Myssa Rei
Acolyte
Philippines
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 05:43:57
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I gather that it's obscure enough to merit actually asking Ed at the Sages section for details on it, ne? I'll get right on it after my work and class. :)
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 06:49:13
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Yep, a kingdom of gnomes - destroyed by an orc horde it is said. I'd say it was a large band of orcs that had been slowly migrating west since the Orcgate Wars (and yes, this is off the top of my head so I'm not really thinking of all the geography involved here! ). Oh, and it's got an "L" in its name, somewhere, I think it's Oelerhode.
And points to you Myssa Rei for being the first person around the world to get on a FR forum of any description and ask about this place - at least someone has finally had a good look at the map!
-- George Krashos
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 07:46:09
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Originally posted by George Krashos
And points to you Myssa Rei for being the first person around the world to get on a FR forum of any description and ask about this place - at least someone has finally had a good look at the map!
I was to busy trying to find the OTHER maps in LEOF
Im not bitter.....
Really...........
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 08:11:44
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Oh those! Naaah, you wouldn't want them. They're like the ultra-detailed fold-out map for CoS:W, the maps for SK and the Szass Tam's tower floorplans from CoR - not necessary at all. Why I just threw them in with all my other maps that I never refer to ... 
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 11:10:52
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Originally posted by George Krashos
Oh those! Naaah, you wouldn't want them. They're like the ultra-detailed fold-out map for CoS:W, the maps for SK and the Szass Tam's tower floorplans from CoR - not necessary at all. Why I just threw them in with all my other maps that I never refer to ...
-- George Krashos
Thats it
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Myssa Rei
Acolyte
Philippines
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 03:46:21
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And you wonder why the gnomes in the Realms are referred to as the 'Forgotten Folk'... If the sages here didn't point out the fact to me, I wouldn't even have learned that they had such a kingdom.
... Oh, and George, you definitely mixed up the geography there, since, judging by the map, Oederhode (or however it's spelled) is nearer to the Great Rift than anything else.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 04:42:59
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Originally posted by Myssa Rei
... Oh, and George, you definitely mixed up the geography there, since, judging by the map, Oederhode (or however it's spelled) is nearer to the Great Rift than anything else.
Actually, Oelerhode resides closer to the Lake of Steam region and what would one day become the Border Kingdoms -- upon the region that is now known as the Shaar.
The reference to the gnome kingdom is most likely in one of those Polyhedron articles that detail each Border Kingdom.
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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
Australia
6666 Posts |
Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 06:52:58
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Originally posted by Myssa Rei
And you wonder why the gnomes in the Realms are referred to as the 'Forgotten Folk'... If the sages here didn't point out the fact to me, I wouldn't even have learned that they had such a kingdom.
... Oh, and George, you definitely mixed up the geography there, since, judging by the map, Oederhode (or however it's spelled) is nearer to the Great Rift than anything else.
I didn't really mix up the geography - I know where Oelerhode is because I suggested we include it on 'the map'. What I was talking about is the timeframe (-626 DR) and the location, viz a viz the realm's destruction by an orc horde. Orcs in the Realms seem to have had two wellsprings - the mountain orcs of the North/Spine of the World and the gray orcs of the Old Empires. How do orcs then get to the area of the Border Kingdoms in -626 DR to ravage Oelerhode? As I said, a possible scenario is that an army of orcs invades Mulhorand during the Orcgate Wars, gets deflected south and west and ends up in the Border Kingdoms to destroy the gnomes. If I had my maps I could likely map out an acceptable route but simply, the orcs had to have got there somehow!(all the while avoiding Jhaamdath, the dwarves of the Great Rift, the nomads of the Shaar - oh Ed! Why dost thou do this to us!)
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 08:31:52
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That opens up its another kettle of fish
How did the Orcs get into Calimshan, Tehtyr and Amn? We know they where down there up until "The Year we went to far" when the humans slaughtered most if not all the Orcs in the south.
Regarding our Orc friends from the East getting to Olerhode.
By the time the Orcgate wars break out in -1075 Mulhorand has expanded as far north as Thay and the Unther has reached the Yuirwood which means they got a great deal of Stratgic depth to work with. While there doesnt appear to be much info on the Orcgate wars (no mention of towns destroyed etc I get the impression most of the war was fought in modern day Thay. Judging by the what we do have it would appear that the Orcs where pushed West towards south western Thay and Algarond "-1069 The Orc gate is destroyed and the invading Orcs are defeated in The Priador"
So if we assume that these are the Orcs that destroyed Oelerhode how did they cross the Sea of Fallen Stars.
I can think of 3 options
1)They sailed across (presumably someone else did this for them as Orcs arent exactly known as nautical race, perhaps the Pirates of Pirate isles did it)
2) They found an entrance to the Underdark and went under the Sea of Fallen Stars perhaps they became "Eastern Orogs"
3) They some how gated across the Sea of Fallen Stars with portal (perhaps the Elves/Half elves of Yuirwood cast an epic level spell to teleport the orcs away from them)
Presumably the orcs where dropped/came out of/where gated to somewhere between Unther and Jhaamdath ie Threskel or Chessenta
Perhaps they initially tried to settle there but where trapped between 2 civilizations that where keen on having Orcs as neighbours ie Unther and Jhaamdath and they eventaully drove the orcs out
The Orcs couldnt go north the sea of Fallen stars prevented that
They couldnt go East or they'd run into Unther
They couldnt go west or they'd run into Jhaamdath
Which left SW/SE
SE would have led them into The Great rift which would bring them into conflict with the gold Dwarves
SW would have brought them into conflict with the Elves of the Chondalwood. However the Chondalwood is not wide in the south and the orcs could have tried to "run through the forest" perhaps they cut through near the Adder Peaks and then when they hit Firesteap moutains they crossed them and rolled right over the Gnomes of Oelerhode |
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Myssa Rei
Acolyte
Philippines
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Posted - 12 Jul 2005 : 09:54:08
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I think that a prolonged migration seems a bit of a stretch, considering the fact that several powerful empires lay in their way. Something outside of the orcs' control perhaps? Or exploiting something already there? Like, oh, a set of gates left over from the Imaskar empire?
As with the migration-exodus theory, this proposition is also a little far-fetched, but given the fact that some of the orc priests were able to manipulate portals to get into Faerun... Mighten that knowledge have been passed down? This is assuming some of the Orcgate shamans survived of course.
Hmm, invasion and devastation by portal abuse... Sounds eerily like what happened to Shaarven, huh? |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 03:31:40
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Originally posted by The Sage
Actually, Oelerhode resides closer to the Lake of Steam region and what would one day become the Border Kingdoms -- upon the region that is now known as the Shaar.
The reference to the gnome kingdom is most likely in one of those Polyhedron articles that detail each Border Kingdom.
Found the reference. Oelerhode was centred on present-day Owlhold in the Border Kingdoms. It was destroyed by orcs and existed "thousand of years ago". Polyhedron #146 has a little more.
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Myssa Rei
Acolyte
Philippines
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 12:57:38
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... And therein lies the problem, as I have no access to any of the old issues of Polyhedron. Buying online isn't an option as, a) no Philippine-based credit card is accepted as payment on ANY of the sites that sell those products, b) considering the hell I had to go through just to save up for the Player's Guide, spending more is out of the question, and finally c) judging by the current political situation here on my side of the world, having some money to fall back upon when everything falls apart helps tremendously...
So, yeah, unless someone points me to a free source, then this little inquiry ends here.  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 13 Jul 2005 : 17:27:03
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Originally posted by Myssa Rei
... And therein lies the problem, as I have no access to any of the old issues of Polyhedron. Buying online isn't an option as, a) no Philippine-based credit card is accepted as payment on ANY of the sites that sell those products, b) considering the hell I had to go through just to save up for the Player's Guide, spending more is out of the question, and finally c) judging by the current political situation here on my side of the world, having some money to fall back upon when everything falls apart helps tremendously...
So, yeah, unless someone points me to a free source, then this little inquiry ends here.
I've searched, and I don't know of any free sources of lore from Polyhedron.  |
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The Hooded One
Lady Herald of Realmslore
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Posted - 17 Jul 2005 : 03:26:36
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Pray patience, scribes. There Are Plans Afoot
(about which I can Say No more, because nothing's been finalized yet).
Suffice it to say that when I claim Ed is the world's busiest writer, I'm NOT exaggerating.
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 17 Jul 2005 : 05:55:11
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Originally posted by The Hooded One
Pray patience, scribes. There Are Plans Afoot
(about which I can Say No more, because nothing's been finalized yet).
Suffice it to say that when I claim Ed is the world's busiest writer, I'm NOT exaggerating.
love,
THO
Hehe... Just knowing there's a possibility, is exciting enough  !!!
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 17 Jul 2005 : 17:13:37
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Originally posted by George Krashos
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Originally posted by Myssa Rei
And you wonder why the gnomes in the Realms are referred to as the 'Forgotten Folk'... If the sages here didn't point out the fact to me, I wouldn't even have learned that they had such a kingdom.
... Oh, and George, you definitely mixed up the geography there, since, judging by the map, Oederhode (or however it's spelled) is nearer to the Great Rift than anything else.
I didn't really mix up the geography - I know where Oelerhode is because I suggested we include it on 'the map'. What I was talking about is the timeframe (-626 DR) and the location, viz a viz the realm's destruction by an orc horde. Orcs in the Realms seem to have had two wellsprings - the mountain orcs of the North/Spine of the World and the gray orcs of the Old Empires. How do orcs then get to the area of the Border Kingdoms in -626 DR to ravage Oelerhode? As I said, a possible scenario is that an army of orcs invades Mulhorand during the Orcgate Wars, gets deflected south and west and ends up in the Border Kingdoms to destroy the gnomes. If I had my maps I could likely map out an acceptable route but simply, the orcs had to have got there somehow!(all the while avoiding Jhaamdath, the dwarves of the Great Rift, the nomads of the Shaar - oh Ed! Why dost thou do this to us!)
-- George Krashos
Maybe they discovered and used some portals to get there Maybe the gnomes had created them to trade purposes, and the horde just poured through... eh, maybe I will say no more on this subject |
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cpthero2
Great Reader
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Posted - 20 Feb 2020 : 20:59:53
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Eric,
I looked around after all these years and couldn't find anything about this still.
Do you think there may be a way to get the Lady Herald a question off to The Old Mage? :)
Best regards,
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
It's a very obscure gnome nation mentioned in one of the old Polyhedrons ... Everwinking Eye column by Ed Greenwood.
As to why it's not in the book, Rich asked George and I for a map of -626 DR. George and I put our heads together and came up with every place of note we could find in obscure Realmslore for that date ... as it turned out, Oederhode was in the right place at the right time, it's just not been flushed out yet.
--Eric
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