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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 17:29:39
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Lord Soth came to Ravenloft from Krynn; Vecna came from Oerth. Has it been determined from whence came Azalin (not his real name)? Might he have been from Toril, a world little represented in Ravenloft?
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Edited by - Jamallo Kreen on 09 Jul 2005 22:15:35
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 18:53:14
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| I seem to remember that he originally came from Oerth, and that the module 'From the Shadows' gives a good description of his history and background. |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 20:42:01
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SOLVED! Spoilers below!
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
Lord Soth came to Ravenloft from Krynn; Vecna came from Oerth. Has it been determined from whence came Azalin (not his real name)? Might he have been from Toril, a world little represented in Ravenloft?
Thank you. That is a Ravenloft Grand Conjunction module available as a free download from Wizards. I just read it. It states explicitly that Azalin is a Greyhawk character.
Castle Avernus has Old Oeridian inscriptions and there are references to various Greyhawk "monsters" in the module.
Azalin's real surname is Zal’honan. ("Azalin" means, roughly, "Witch-King" in what I presume is Old Oeridian.) Does that name crop up in non-Ravenloft Greyhawk materials? Where were/are Castle Avernus, Karg, Il Aluk, and/or Darkon in Oerth? Are they mention in non-Ravenloft Greyhawk materials? |
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 20:57:27
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There's quite a few people from FR that ended up in Ravenloft though.
Jandar Sunstar
A red wizard
Some who brought Lathander's teaching there.
The tie-in adventure for Castle Spulzeer.
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 21:14:52
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
There's quite a few people from FR that ended up in Ravenloft though.
Jandar Sunstar
A red wizard
Some who brought Lathander's teaching there.
The tie-in adventure for Castle Spulzeer.
And others. :)
Thanks, kuje. I'm reading Vampire in the Mists (Jander's story) now. I had forgotten Castle Spulzeer; for the interested, that is/was in Tethyr, if I recall correctly, or else Amn.
I don't know about the Red Wizard nor the Lathandrite prophet. I only have the basic book and the first Van Richten's Arsenal for 3E Ravenloft.
I think that the spell-blasted lands of Toril would make a good source for Ravenloft domains. Certainly many Imaskari and Netherese wizards had the obsessive drive that the Mists enjoy toying with. (If one may ascribe such a human emotion to the Mists!) Time and space seem to be no obstacle to the Mists; the domains there are a jumble of different times and places. Some ancient Torilian realm may pop up there in Ravenloft's present without any twisting of the "rules" by which the Mists seem to operate. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 21:36:30
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quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
There's quite a few people from FR that ended up in Ravenloft though.
Jandar Sunstar
A red wizard
Some who brought Lathander's teaching there.
The tie-in adventure for Castle Spulzeer.
And others. :)
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 22:12:59
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by Kuje
There's quite a few people from FR that ended up in Ravenloft though.
Jandar Sunstar
A red wizard
Some who brought Lathander's teaching there.
The tie-in adventure for Castle Spulzeer.
And others. :)
Don't forget Gondegal, Kuje
Oh! Where's he at? Which book deals with him in Ravenloft? He's stuck there now, isn't he? (Or she or it ... whatever.) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 22:48:40
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quote:
Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
There's quite a few people from FR that ended up in Ravenloft though.
Jandar Sunstar
A red wizard
Some who brought Lathander's teaching there.
The tie-in adventure for Castle Spulzeer.
And others. :)
Thanks, kuje. I'm reading Vampire in the Mists (Jander's story) now. I had forgotten Castle Spulzeer; for the interested, that is/was in Tethyr, if I recall correctly, or else Amn.
I don't know about the Red Wizard nor the Lathandrite prophet. I only have the basic book and the first Van Richten's Arsenal for 3E Ravenloft.
I think that the spell-blasted lands of Toril would make a good source for Ravenloft domains. Certainly many Imaskari and Netherese wizards had the obsessive drive that the Mists enjoy toying with. (If one may ascribe such a human emotion to the Mists!) Time and space seem to be no obstacle to the Mists; the domains there are a jumble of different times and places. Some ancient Torilian realm may pop up there in Ravenloft's present without any twisting of the "rules" by which the Mists seem to operate.
You'll see how Lathander's teachings reached Ravenloft in that novel.
The Red Wizard's name is Hazlan or Hazlik; I don't recall which. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 22:50:56
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by Kuje
There's quite a few people from FR that ended up in Ravenloft though.
Jandar Sunstar
A red wizard
Some who brought Lathander's teaching there.
The tie-in adventure for Castle Spulzeer.
And others. :)
Don't forget Gondegal, Kuje
Oh! Where's he at? Which book deals with him in Ravenloft? He's stuck there now, isn't he? (Or she or it ... whatever.)
To the best of my knowledge, Gondegal has never really been featured in a Ravenloft novel. The original boxed set placed him there; I believe he's the leader of a mercenary army.
The Mists grabbed him when he was fleeing Arabel. |
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Jamallo Kreen
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 09 Jul 2005 : 23:09:28
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
You'll see how Lathander's teachings reached Ravenloft in that novel.
The Red Wizard's name is Hazlan or Hazlik; I don't recall which.
Thank you, too! Hazlik rules Hazlan. He has opened one of the few magic academies in the Demi-Plane. The population is Rashemi and Mulan, but the 3E Campaign Setting (pp. 121-123) doesn't identify him as a Red Wizard; one of the the 2E boxed sets or one of the (too) many 3E regional books probably gives Hazlik's and Hazlan's history. Hazlak may fit my thinking that the Raurin was/is a good source for a Ravenloft domain; I shall have to investigate it further. It would provide some wicked plot hooks to snare PCs who delve too deeply into sabotaged Imaskari ruins or tinker one time too many with an Imaskari relic! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 04:18:14
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Since many here know of my great love for Ravenloft, you all probably knew I was going to have something more to add to this scroll... .
quote:
Originally posted by Kuje
There's quite a few people from FR that ended up in Ravenloft though.
Jandar Sunstar
A red wizard
Some who brought Lathander's teaching there.
The tie-in adventure for Castle Spulzeer.
And others. :)
As Kuje said, there are many people from the Realms now in RL. Here's a more complete listing of people and places from the Realms who are now in the Dread Realms:-
Draga Saltbitter – was a pirate in the Sword Coast
Chardath Spulzeeer – from area south of Waterdeep (see: Castle Spulzeeer)
Gondegal – conqueror of Arabel and Knight of the Shadows
Harkon Lukas – grew up in Cormyr, now in Kartakass
Hazlik – Red Wizard from Thay
Jander Sunstar
Salizarr the Meazel – lived under Cormyr’s catacombs now in Necropolis
Nova Vassa – from Vaasa and Hordelands
Von Kharkov – Lord of Valachan
Domain of I'Cath - originally from Kara-Tur
Jahed of the Stalkers (see: MCII)
Mayonaka (see: MCII)
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 04:23:14
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Originally posted by Jamallo Kreen
I think that the spell-blasted lands of Toril would make a good source for Ravenloft domains. Certainly many Imaskari and Netherese wizards had the obsessive drive that the Mists enjoy toying with. (If one may ascribe such a human emotion to the Mists!) Time and space seem to be no obstacle to the Mists; the domains there are a jumble of different times and places.
I like theorising about the Mists.
Here's some official info -
At the edge of any land not directly bordered by another land the Mists rise up. A pale whiteness so thick it is almost impossible to see through. The misty borders of domains are nebulous boundaries stretching back and forth, sometimes moving inward by miles and other times pulling back revealing previously obscured features. Legends speak of people who have walked into Mists only to find themselves moved elsewhere, emerging dozens miles from where they entered or even in a different time. Rarer still are the rumours of people being moved out of the Dread Realms, but this is so rare it is almost unheard of.
Essentially the Mists of Ravenloft, like the Dark Powers, are a DM's tool and complete subject to their whims. They can be as mysterious or real as the story dictates. In some distant and faraway lands the Mists take on other appearances appearing as thick blizzards, blistering sandstorms or flickering waves of heat.
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Some ancient Torilian realm may pop up there in Ravenloft's present without any twisting of the "rules" by which the Mists seem to operate.
Only during the days of 2e. There are now no *official* connections between the Dread Realms and Toril.
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The Sage
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Posted - 10 Jul 2005 : 04:30:03
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
To the best of my knowledge, Gondegal has never really been featured in a Ravenloft novel. The original boxed set placed him there; I believe he's the leader of a mercenary army.
Gondegal was mentioned, by name only, in one of the novels featuring Tristen Hiregaard.
He's also detailed and stat'd in one of the 3e Gazetteers.
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The population is Rashemi and Mulan, but the 3E Campaign Setting (pp. 121-123) doesn't identify him as a Red Wizard; one of the the 2E boxed sets or one of the (too) many 3E regional books probably gives Hazlik's and Hazlan's history.
The 3e setting for RL now longer dwells on the Demiplane's past connections with official TSR/WotC worlds. So while Hazlik was traditionally a Red Wizard in 2e RL, he's now essentially the same thing, but without the title of "Red Wizard" and no specific details regarding his time in Thay are recorded. We have to work with what we were given in 2e if we still wish to maintain the older connections between the settings.
Hazlan and Hazlik are both detailed in the Gazetteers. Hazlik is also stat'd in the Secrets of the Dread Realms supplement.
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VEDSICA
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 00:33:51
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| Wasn't there a adventure in DUNGEON magazine that dealt with Von Kharkov??? |
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The Sage
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Posted - 11 Jul 2005 : 01:21:01
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
Wasn't there a adventure in DUNGEON magazine that dealt with Von Kharkov???
Dungeon #50 (1994) - 'Felkovic's Cat'.
This was a spectacular module, not only because of the adventure. The article was nearly 22 pages in length and covered many aspects of the domain featured in the adventure.
I've never ran the adventure myself, but it's a great read with plenty of RL lore on Valachan.
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From whence came Azalin?
