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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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 Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 13:25:02
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Indexes seem to be going the way of the dinosaur...
They are going to Chult??? 
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Alaundo
Head Moderator
United Kingdom
5695 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 16:44:20
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Well met
My word, a little heated herein. Please avoid any personal attacks, especially to those who are, one way or another, involved in, past or present, our beloved hobby.
Apologies for my late arrival, im currently stuck in a land known as Morocco   These quills certainly are difficult to use as well |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 17:09:05
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Originally posted by Chosen of Moradin
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Indexes seem to be going the way of the dinosaur...
They are going to Chult???
Sorry, I don´t resist to do this...
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 20:23:32
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Apologies for my late arrival, im currently stuck in a land known as Morocco These quills certainly are difficult to use as well
On holiday or just took the wrong connecting flight? |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
1120 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 21:21:52
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That was a good one. I salute you!
Oh, don´t mention it, Master Hamster! I think that I´m a dwarf with more than just a little of pixie blood in my veins... May I add indexes in Ubtao´s portfolio??
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 22:21:41
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
My word, a little heated herein. Please avoid any personal attacks, especially to those who are, one way or another, involved in, past or present, our beloved hobby.
Apologies for my late arrival, im currently stuck in a land known as Morocco These quills certainly are difficult to use as well
If you see a severed Monkeys hands in a market over in Morocco buy it and Wish for a return to the 192 page source books!  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 22:33:14
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
My word, a little heated herein. Please avoid any personal attacks, especially to those who are, one way or another, involved in, past or present, our beloved hobby.
Apologies for my late arrival, im currently stuck in a land known as Morocco These quills certainly are difficult to use as well
If you see a severed Monkeys hands in a market over in Morocco buy it and Wish for a return to the 192 page source books!
Yeah, but those things aren't terribly reliable... We're like to get the extra pages, but it'd all be ads..  |
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Crennen FaerieBane
Master of Realmslore
USA
1378 Posts |
Posted - 23 Jun 2005 : 22:37:33
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I think my main problem with the line is now the complete lack of fold out maps. I know they last longer if you can keep them in the books, but I thought the one included with Silver Marches was brilliant. I even went and bought all those Dragons with the mammoth map of FR. It's just handy for the players if you're running the game to spread out a map in front of them instead of trying to angle your book just right for them.
Oh well, this was for sure brought up before, but I think it is an issue the makers of D&D products should continually be aware of. And just to show it is D&D wide, they did the same thing to Eberron.. poor folks never even got a huge map witha book!
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 02:23:15
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
And just to show it is D&D wide, they did the same thing to Eberron.. poor folks never even got a huge map witha book!
That's not entirely true. While Eberron fans didn't receive a map with the CSB, we were treated to a slightly detailed map of Khorvaire last year in and issue of Dragon.
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 04:23:24
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Originally posted by Dargoth
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Originally posted by Alaundo
Well met
My word, a little heated herein. Please avoid any personal attacks, especially to those who are, one way or another, involved in, past or present, our beloved hobby.
Apologies for my late arrival, im currently stuck in a land known as Morocco These quills certainly are difficult to use as well
If you see a severed Monkeys hands in a market over in Morocco buy it and Wish for a return to the 192 page source books!
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 11:42:10
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
And just to show it is D&D wide, they did the same thing to Eberron.. poor folks never even got a huge map witha book!
That's not entirely true. While Eberron fans didn't receive a map with the CSB, we were treated to a slightly detailed map of Khorvaire last year in and issue of Dragon.
Yes, but I think his original point is still valid. Getting that Eberron map meant purchasing that issue of Dragon. Thus, more money to get something I'm sure many felt should have just been included in an Eberron product. |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 14:07:26
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 14:29:32
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by CrennenFaerieBane
And just to show it is D&D wide, they did the same thing to Eberron.. poor folks never even got a huge map witha book!
That's not entirely true. While Eberron fans didn't receive a map with the CSB, we were treated to a slightly detailed map of Khorvaire last year in and issue of Dragon.
Yes, but I think his original point is still valid. Getting that Eberron map meant purchasing that issue of Dragon. Thus, more money to get something I'm sure many felt should have just been included in an Eberron product.
True. I forgot to add however, that the ECBS did actually have a full map of Khorvaire. It's located on the backs of both the front and rear covers of the setting tome  . It's just not very detailed...
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Grunker
Acolyte
Denmark
37 Posts |
Posted - 24 Jun 2005 : 18:21:52
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Or going back to simple black and white, like most of the artwork in 1E or 2E.
To tell you the truth, I preferred that. Colourful images are all well and good, but those simple black and white drawings gave the 1e/2e sourcebooks a feeling that you were actually reading about some long forgotten place in a land far away -- to put it simply, they gave me the impression that these places I was reading about were actually "real".
The coloured images subtract from that impression. While they may have originally been intended to add more realism to a sourcebook, for me they've had the opposite effect.
Yea. Look at the picture of Szass Tam in FR Campaign from 3rd Edition. I always thought that was incredible artwork. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 25 Jun 2005 : 04:28:48
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I said it a long time ago. Stop with the unnecessary glossy paper, get rid of the expensive color backgrounds, and just give use HIGH QUALITY MATERIAL. It could be bound with staples and paper clips as long as the source material inside of it is top notch and well edited.
It isn't top notch and I'm still paying top color for colorful art books, and that's what they are, artbooks, I don't want.
Yes Draconomicon was great and it was justified, but I don't think it's necessary in every product.
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David Lázaro
Acolyte
Spain
37 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 02:22:19
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I've even got a third-hand copy of the original UA that was slightly damaged, which through careful attention, I've managed to keep from deteriorating any further.
My copy of Unearthed Arcana is strong as a rock but, could you develop more on what did you do in order to fix the book?
I'll be interested in some way of fixing my Silver Marches copy, some pages will fall soon. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 03:03:19
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Originally posted by The Sage
I've even got a third-hand copy of the original UA that was slightly damaged, which through careful attention, I've managed to keep from deteriorating any further.
My copy of Unearthed Arcana is strong as a rock but, could you develop more on what did you do in order to fix the book?
I'll be interested in some way of fixing my Silver Marches copy, some pages will fall soon.
For the most part, all I've done is ensure that every time I use UA, I handle it with the utmost care. In addition, there's a book-binder in my family, so when I originally picked UA up, I handed it over to her expert hands. She reinforced the binding, and re-attached the front and back covers which were slowly tearing off. She also covered the front and back covers in a special plastic which keeps them intact.
So, this work, coupled with my paying extra attention to the binding and its pages every time I open the tome, has ensured that it has not gotten any worse since the day I purchased it.
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David Lázaro
Acolyte
Spain
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Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 03:24:12
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Thank you, interesting answer.
I'll try to search for more info on the art of binding. Maybe with the proper glues and techniques I can get my Silver Marches copy back into shape. |
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Xysma
Master of Realmslore
USA
1089 Posts |
Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 14:36:34
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| The more pennies they pinch, the more money they make. I want them to be successful. If they can increase their profit margin substantially by reducing the page count by two pages, or replacing the last two pages with ads, then so be it. I don't make any claims to be an advertising or marketing expert, so I'll leave that to the pros. All I can say is that I love every Realms product that has been released since 3ed, these are beautiful books created by folks who truly love the setting. They contain beautiful artwork (for the most part,) great content, they are well edited, well made (I have never had any problems with any of my books tearing up,) and well designed. I can't think of a better way to spend $30 than on a Realms sourcebook. |
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Krafus
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 29 Jun 2005 : 17:24:31
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Originally posted by Xysma
The more pennies they pinch, the more money they make. I want them to be successful. If they can increase their profit margin substantially by reducing the page count by two pages, or replacing the last two pages with ads, then so be it. I don't make any claims to be an advertising or marketing expert, so I'll leave that to the pros. All I can say is that I love every Realms product that has been released since 3ed, these are beautiful books created by folks who truly love the setting. They contain beautiful artwork (for the most part,) great content, they are well edited, well made (I have never had any problems with any of my books tearing up,) and well designed. I can't think of a better way to spend $30 than on a Realms sourcebook.
But as Dargoth pointed out in his post that started this thread, WotC basically cut out 32 pages from one sourcebook to another while asking customers to pay the same price. Customers are basically paying the same price for less. |
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