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Dennis
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 Posted - 28 Oct 2010 : 09:36:26
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Originally posted by Dalor Darden
Personally, Halruaa isn't a state perpetually at war...so if they simply launched into war against Thay, they would suffer horrible casualties.
With a little planning though, and coordination with the Witches of Rashemen, Thay would be doomed.
Experiences in countless wars can be considered Thay's edge, along with necromancy. But the Halruaans have more in store - as Ed explicitly said - that they could readily use in times of war.
And you mentioned Rashemen. Without their help, the Halruaans can still win. But with their help - which is very likely, if their hatred towards the Red Wizards be the sole basis - Halruaa will indeed have a swift victory.
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 14:59:58
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I wouldn't be so sure about Halruaa winning the day.
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Until about six months ago, Aluarim was the home of Rhodea
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Level 21 doesn't seem so powerfull compared to the zulkirs especially Szass Tam.
So Halruaa has more magic users, more magic items and maybe knows some more magic tricks, Thay on the other hand has more powerfull magic users and much expirience in wars. I guess that doesn't sound so bad for Thay.
Btw: beeing a wizard and beeing a wizards who knows how to fight is a big diffrent too in my opinion. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 16:05:42
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
I wouldn't be so sure about Halruaa winning the day.
From Shinning South:
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Until about six months ago, Aluarim was the home of Rhodea
Firehair (NG female human evoker 18/Halruaan elder 3), the
most powerful evoker in the country
Level 21 doesn't seem so powerfull compared to the zulkirs especially Szass Tam.
So Halruaa has more magic users, more magic items and maybe knows some more magic tricks, Thay on the other hand has more powerfull magic users and much expirience in wars. I guess that doesn't sound so bad for Thay.
Btw: beeing a wizard and beeing a wizards who knows how to fight is a big diffrent too in my opinion.
A hundred (or even more) level 21 wizards are more powerful against 8 (the number of zulkirs) level (say) 29 wizards. Of course, the Halruaans wouldn't emerge unscathed – the zulkirs and their lackeys would have managed to land some serious blows – at least my favorite zulkirs would.  But at the end of the day, the Halruaans' magical might would lead to a glorius victory. |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 16:32:04
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There is no source how many high level casters both sides have but I think too that Halruaa has more.
But I think Thay has more battle expirienced wizards than Halruaa and as I said a wizard who does know the thrill of combat and is accustomed on tactics in mage duells is far more effective than for example a hand full of wizards who spend their life researching new magic ways and never had a fight in their life.
I'm not saying Thay will win for sure but I don't think that Halruaa is so clearly on top of Thay. |
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Thauramarth
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 16:36:21
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
There is no source how many high level casters both sides have but I think too that Halruaa has more.
But I think Thay has more battle expirienced wizards than Halruaa and as I said a wizard who does know the thrill of combat and is accustomed on tactics in mage duells is far more effective than for example a hand full of wizards who spend their life researching new magic ways and never had a fight in their life.
Well... as they say - professionals (the Red Wizards) are predictable. It's the amateurs that are really dangerous... |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 16:45:05
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| Experiences in war surely give Thay a certain advantage. But it's not enough. Just recall Karsus's battle with the phaerimm. In their very long existence, it is safe to assume that the phaerimm waged wars against several races through their thralls to possess a number of magic-rich lands they needed for sustenance. Despite that, Karsus blasted them like mere annoying flies during his ascension. Think Halruaa as Karsus, and Thay as the phaerimm. Now you'll see the picture. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 18:13:58
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Cohesion is of the utmost importance in any confrontation.
Thay would lose, PERIOD.
All other things being equal (numbers, magical power, etc), Halruaa's primary advantage is its ability to act as an organized and well-disciplined machine.
Thayans simply cannot fight a war in the manner they have been trying - that's why it hasn't worked. They do not know how to work well together, and even in the midst of battle various Red Wizards with their own agendas will use the war as an opportunity to get rid of rivals.
I really don't even see how anyone could think otherwise - history has proven a disorganized army will always lose to an well-organized one, even if out-numbered and out-gunned (watch The Last Samurai). Thay may be able to cause a lot of harm if they stoop to hit-and-run guerilla tactics, but they are not know for that so I do not see them fighting that way (when you consider your troops 'fodder', you do not try to use them wisely). A more Faerunian example would be the battle with the Tuigan Horde. Shou Lung should have ended that threat, but it, too, uses it soldiers wastefully. Azoun was much smarter, and used his inferior forces in a manner they would be most effective. You don't need to be strong, you just need to 'fight smart'. Thay doesn't do that.
There is absolutely no question in my mind who would win. In fact, even in 4e I think Halruaans would win, despite their current state (or rather, perhaps because of it). |
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Dennis
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 18:27:17
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Originally posted by Markustay
All other things being equal (numbers, magical power, etc)...
It's pointless to assume such. Ed himself already said that though inferior in number, “the Halruaans have far more magic (spells and accomplished practitioners of the Art who are used to experimenting rather than "casting under orders"), far more magic items, and far more Netherese battle-magic (large-scale spellwebs and flying constructs and "blast-globes" long hidden away and "secured" by family patriarchs and matriarchs)” |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 19:19:50
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I think a more practical set of question are
1) Who's invading who?
2) What cost will the invading nation have to pay in terms of manpower, material and magic to transport a sufficiently large invading army to the other nation's borders?
3) If no invasion, are the nations fighting over territory outside their borders or something else?
4) If territory is the focus of the war, what type is it? Is it a massive area of land? Is it a forest or a mountain range. If so, which nation is closer?
5) If something else, what? A Dragon's Lair that's assumed/believed to house some ultimate secret of magic both nations want? If this is the case, doesn't the location limit the scope of the engagement(s)?
My own thoughts on the topic.
Infighting is a weakness of Thay, yes, but I think Halruaa has been shown to have its own schemers too. Just because it's a given for Thay doesn't mean Halruaan forces will be free from plots and back stabbing that gets in the way of a war effort.
The question of Thay vs. Halruaa is a lot like Elminster vs. [insert other powerful mage name here]. You can measure power through depictions in the novels, you can use the game rules of various editions to bolster your argument, you can even quote Ed, but until you set the scene and the circumstances of the fight, you can't really answer the question of who will win.
If Halruaa invades Thay, I think Thay has the advantage and an even chance of repelling the invasion. If Halruaa’s plans for conquest appear to include Rashemen or even Aglarond, I think Thay will find itself with unlikely allies, if only in the sense that the Rashemi and Aglarondan efforts to defend their borders will weaken Halruaa somewhat.
I believe bickering Thayans would set aside their differences long enough to battle and expel an invading army, especially in the face of the sheer, awesome power that Halruaa would bring to bear. Should Halruaa win, such a victory would come at a terrible cost to them.
I have no doubt that a Thayan invasion of Halruaa would be a disaster for Thay. Halruaa would eat Thay alive. |
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 29 Oct 2010 : 21:09:08
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While many quote Halruaa as having repelled Dambrath and sank their fleet etc...
Few remember that at one point, even Barbaric Dambrath (before the Drow) was able to secure the southern coasts of Halruaa in war.
That was of course the Halruaa of the past, but I'm only pointing this out to show that ANY nation can be weak at a moment and falter.
How does the saying go?: "If you have all the talent in the world, it is wasted without opportunity." |
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bladeinAmn
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 06:25:23
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Using the 3e map, I've explored the following scenarios:
1) If Thay chooses to go at Halruaa, this plan is a complete and utter failure. This as they'd 1st have to go through the Bay of Chessenta/then Chessenta or Alamber Sea/Mulhorland, then seek safe, efficient, and economic passage for them and their resources (ie- the smelly undead they use as gambits).
Then they'd have to cut through the Eastern Shaar, then down the Landrise, then down in monster and intelligent creature infested plains, and then FINALLY run into the brick wall that is the North and East Wall Mts of Halruaa.
Thay would be half dead before they get to those mts. I don't exactly see how Dambrath or any other country would benefit enough wherein they'd seek to help Thay in such an undertaking as well. Halruaa's geography on the map FTW!
2) If Halruaa chooses to war w/Thay in Thay's own land, then even this works out to Halruaa's advantage!
This b/c the Halruaans would have an infinitely easier time making their way to Thay via the Halruaan skyships. Then once they've crossed the sea, Algarond or Rashemen wouldn't hinder Halruaa's camp or supplies. Rather, I think they'd aid them in their undertaking, and that w/minimal monetary sacrifice from the Halruaans.
Then comes the terrain. Thay enjoys great advantage here vs. their neighbours via the 1st escarpment above sea level and then 2nd unto Thay Mount - but this advantage is moot vs. Halruaan skyships.
Then consider that Halruaa is the most magically inclined nation on Toril. Thus I feel we can conceive that they know how to cloak (make invisible) their skyships for a time.
Put all this together, and imagine Thay's 1st line of offense/defense being their undead army of dread warriors. A small legion of high level priests of Mystra on board a skyship could juss Turn Undead, and scatter/destroy those undead before the Thayan wizards begin to understand what's going on.
And while that's happening, a few high level mages can throw some 6th, 7th, 8th and 9th level Area of Effect spells vs. the Thayan wizards, and thus its easy to envision that Halruaa can really rip up Thay to absolute shreds.
I don't clearly see how Thay can counter all of what is in Halruaa's favour.
Another way to explain how far ahead Halruaa is over Thay is that Halruaa can afford to be anti-social, only talking w/other economic powers for trade and whatnot at their own leisure. Now compare that w/how you figure business is done amongst nobles of Amn, Waterdeep, Cormyr etc.
On the other hand, Thay has to set up enclaves here and there to establish a 'good' name, and even when that's done they still have to overcome their deserved reputation as a country that employs the animated corpses of their deceased soldiers to be their shock troops, and is a country that endorses slavery and relies on it heavily for their main economy.
Edit And I wrote this while considering the possibility of Thay operating as a well disciplined machine. Thus even w/Thay at their best, I don't see'em overcoming Halruaa, be it in Halruaa, or in Thay, or anywhere else. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 06:49:40
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Interesting, bladeinAmn. Though I'm not into the use of skyships. Such takes a considerable amount of time, specially that the skyships are not really the likes you use for racing. Portals are far more efficient, like the ones used by Evareskan high mages in RotA - but of course, bigger. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 18:07:38
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I wasn't assuming anything Dennis - my point was that IF all things were equal power-wise, the Halruaans would still win because they are MUCH better organized.
Plus, the Halruaans would be fighting 'for whats right', not personal gain, and folks always tend to fight harder (and smarter) when they have a vested interest. Nearly all of Thay's troops have NO vested interest what-so-ever. Even if they win, they will still be treated like crap (better to just die at their enemy's hands).
If Halruaa were to attack Thay (a crusade?), they would have a MUCH harder time of it, but in the end, I still feel they would prevail.
Besides, half of Faerun would join-in... who the hell is going to help the Red Wizards? They have NO friends - even the other 'bad guys' hate them.
On the other hand, considering that both nations are THE 'magical super-powers', had things progressed differently post-3e I could see a 'Cold war' situation between the two, with them using small (3rd world?) countries as a battleground to test themselves against each-other, rather then risk open confrontation. In fact, giving the the situation in Unther, and the decadence of the other two Old Empires (Chesenta and Mulhorand), I could see exactly that happening all over that region as those empires collapse. The northern Shaar could become a war-Zone. |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 18:25:08
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Yes no side would just march their troops to the other side to get them blasted there. There would be a lot of scheming and hidden operations to weaken the enemy and get the upper hand. I don't know about Halruan leaders but Tam is a Master schemer (look at the Haunted Lands trilogy) and he has no problem with eliminating enemies who are in his way personally. With him beeing much more powerfull than Halruaan wizards this would be an big advantage for Thay.
One thing to the Skyships, Halruaa doesn't use them for fighting because they are to fragile. They only use them for transportation (which is a big advantage nevertheless).
When other countries join in on the Halruaan side, Thay of course doesn't stand a chance but if it stays only between those two I still don't see Halruaa as this much in advantage.
One more point is that no Halruaan wizard has access to Epic Spells when the most powerfull was Level 21 (and is dead now), Thay on the other side has. This is an advantage too. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 18:42:46
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
Yes no side would just march their troops to the other side to get them blasted there. There would be a lot of scheming and hidden operations to weaken the enemy and get the upper hand. I don't know about Halruan leaders but Tam is a Master schemer (look at the Haunted Lands trilogy) and he has no problem with eliminating enemies who are in his way personally. With him beeing much more powerfull than Halruaan wizards this would be an big advantage for Thay.
One thing to the Skyships, Halruaa doesn't use them for fighting because they are to fragile. They only use them for transportation (which is a big advantage nevertheless).
When other countries join in on the Halruaan side, Thay of course doesn't stand a chance but if it stays only between those two I still don't see Halruaa as this much in advantage.
One more point is that no Halruaan wizard has access to Epic Spells when the most powerfull was Level 21 (and is dead now), Thay on the other side has. This is an advantage too.
Ummm... How do you come to the conclusion that no one in Halruaa is more powerful than Tam? And what makes you think Halruaa has no schemers?
Additionally, I'd really love to know where you read that no one in Halruaa was more powerful than level 21. I find it really illogical to assume that a nation where even simple soldiers can cast spells wouldn't have anyone over level 21. |
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Mr_Miscellany
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 18:51:50
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Additionally, I'd really love to know where you read that no one in Halruaa was more powerful than level 21. I find it really illogical to assume that a nation where even simple soldiers can cast spells wouldn't have anyone over level 21.
He/She may be looking at an older game resource to conclude there was no Halruaan mage over 21st level. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 19:30:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
Yes no side would just march their troops to the other side to get them blasted there. There would be a lot of scheming and hidden operations to weaken the enemy and get the upper hand. I don't know about Halruan leaders but Tam is a Master schemer (look at the Haunted Lands trilogy) and he has no problem with eliminating enemies who are in his way personally. With him beeing much more powerfull than Halruaan wizards this would be an big advantage for Thay.
One thing to the Skyships, Halruaa doesn't use them for fighting because they are to fragile. They only use them for transportation (which is a big advantage nevertheless).
When other countries join in on the Halruaan side, Thay of course doesn't stand a chance but if it stays only between those two I still don't see Halruaa as this much in advantage.
One more point is that no Halruaan wizard has access to Epic Spells when the most powerfull was Level 21 (and is dead now), Thay on the other side has. This is an advantage too.
Ummm... How do you come to the conclusion that no one in Halruaa is more powerful than Tam? And what makes you think Halruaa has no schemers?
Additionally, I'd really love to know where you read that no one in Halruaa was more powerful than level 21. I find it really illogical to assume that a nation where even simple soldiers can cast spells wouldn't have anyone over level 21.
Indeed. 'Tis hard for me to imagine there's no one in Halruaa who's more powerful than Tam or above level 21. They're Netherese in the first place - accomplished spellcasters. |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 20:28:39
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
From Shinning South:
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Until about six months ago, Aluarim was the home of Rhodea
Firehair (NG female human evoker 18/Halruaan elder 3), the
most powerful evoker in the country
Its a 3.5E Sourcebook, but if you want to take a look at an more up to date one I doubt that the Halruaans will be in a better state ;)
PS: I didn't say they have no schemers, I only said that Tam is a master schemer. If there are better ones in Halruaa I don't know. |
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Markustay
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Posted - 30 Oct 2010 : 23:36:29
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Originally posted by Mr_Miscellany
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Additionally, I'd really love to know where you read that no one in Halruaa was more powerful than level 21. I find it really illogical to assume that a nation where even simple soldiers can cast spells wouldn't have anyone over level 21.
He/She may be looking at an older game resource to conclude there was no Halruaan mage over 21st level.
QFT.
The absence of proof is not proof itself. Unless a source specifically says there aren't any, then you can't assume that whatever NPCs are listed are THE most powerful (also, power is highly subjective; people weigh 'power' differently. Elminster would be far more powerful magically then any king, but a king holds power, Elminster holds none).
Ergo, the leaders of Halruaa - who may be the only NPCs who's stats are given in-source - aren't necessarily the most magically gifted. They are just the ones with political aspirations and the desire to lead (whereas most REAL archmages don't bother with that sort of time-consuming nonsense). |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 31 Oct 2010 : 00:29:14
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It explicitly says the he was the most powerfull evoker so I don't see where you see space for assumtions.
Of course everyone is free to see things as he likes, I'm just trying to go by the official lore here. |
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Dennis
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Posted - 31 Oct 2010 : 05:24:14
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Originally posted by _Jarlaxle_
It explicitly says the he was the most powerfull evoker so I don't see where you see space for assumtions.
Granted that he is, it doesn't mean he's the only archmage who reached that power level. That's only one school of magic: evocation. And Halruaans are adept in ALL schools of magic. So the most powerful Halruaan necromancer, diviner, what-have-you, can be far stronger in power level than the most powerful evoker.
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Dalor Darden
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Posted - 31 Oct 2010 : 06:38:44
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| I would go one step further and say that the most powerful specialist Evoker does not mean he is the most powerful combat capable wizard... |
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_Jarlaxle_
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Posted - 31 Oct 2010 : 09:49:55
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Well that could be true, didn't read it that way.
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bladeinAmn
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Posted - 01 Nov 2010 : 03:53:51
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To be fully fair to both Markustay and _Jarlaxle_'s POV's, Evocation is juss one school of magic, and this Evoker in question is 18th level + 3 more in a Prestige Class that is fully compatible w/further wizard spell progression. She's a veteran archmage that can cast 9th-lvl spells.
What's more, b/c Halruaa is the most magically inclined nation on Toril and enjoys a high standard of living, one can argue that b/c there are so many magical resources for learning/experimentation, many would-be mages who want to persue the arts above their fellow citizens would NOT be dedicated to juss one school of magic, as that'd then make'em have to sacrifice learning spells from another school (as per 2e and 3e rules...I personally find little logic for it other than game balance being the goal of the devs, but perhaps someone else here does!).
As for how this relates to Thay in terms of magical power, the Red Wizards are in the highest social class in Thay. On the other hand, Halruaa is a free country, and EVERY citizen has access to learning magic! W/that logic in mind, every Halruaan citizen has the opportunity to rival the power of a Red Wizard - someone in Thay's elite social class! And b/c of the constant backstabbing within the Thayan elite and the subjection of those in the lesser classes, there is no way that Thay's culture ever catches up to Halruaa. They'll leave the teaching to the teachers, but never - or very rarely - will a Zulkir find a pupil w/whom they'd share all they know with.
So I'm cool w/that Rhodea Firehair bit of (3e) canon. She was also a teacher, developing other wizards before *her death.
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Gavinfoxx
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Posted - 01 Nov 2010 : 05:18:21
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I'd say, if you wanted to find the most powerful mage in Faerun, aside from the weird named wizards in the books, assuming you are using 3.Xe rules, you should find the most powerful Conjurer. Especially if they are an Incantatar or an Incantatrix.
So what is the most powerful Incantatar or Incantatrix? Or the most powerful Conjurer in the lore, in general? The Incantatars and Incantatrixes aren't JUST a rules concept, they are the generic term for someone who specializes in Metamagic, which is a real in world concept right? |
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 Nov 2010 : 08:27:09
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This is kinda off topic...
Elaine, Ed, and folks from WotC confirmed that there are a few survivors of Halruaa. Do you think WotC would 'resurrect' Halruaa in the future? A second generation. Like the way they continued Imaskar's legacy through bringing into Toril Deep and High Imaskar? The idea alone doesn't sound that bad, though I'm not sure if I will like it (but I'm more than certain I hate it when they utterly blasted Halruaa through the SP). |
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The Red Walker
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Posted - 01 Nov 2010 : 12:40:44
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| I hope Halruaa sees a much deserved "revival"...but I kinda think they used the spellplague a a big smokescreen to further hide themselves and are in better shape then ever, holed away researching and studying magic without fear of outside interference! |
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Zireael
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Posted - 01 Nov 2010 : 13:23:39
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Originally posted by dennis
This is kinda off topic...
Elaine, Ed, and folks from WotC confirmed that there are a few survivors of Halruaa. Do you think WotC would 'resurrect' Halruaa in the future? A second generation. Like the way they continued Imaskar's legacy through bringing into Toril Deep and High Imaskar? The idea alone doesn't sound that bad, though I'm not sure if I will like it (but I'm more than certain I hate it when they utterly blasted Halruaa through the SP).
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Dennis
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Posted - 01 Nov 2010 : 19:05:49
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Originally posted by Zireael
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Originally posted by dennis
This is kinda off topic...
Elaine, Ed, and folks from WotC confirmed that there are a few survivors of Halruaa. Do you think WotC would 'resurrect' Halruaa in the future? A second generation. Like the way they continued Imaskar's legacy through bringing into Toril Deep and High Imaskar? The idea alone doesn't sound that bad, though I'm not sure if I will like it (but I'm more than certain I hate it when they utterly blasted Halruaa through the SP).
"A few survivors"? Who?
I can't find Ed's, but here's Elaine's:
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Originally posted by dennis
Hi Elaine!
Not sure if this was asked before...
Are there any survivors of Halruaa? If there are, who are they? And where are they now?
I like your C&K trilogy, by the way. And it's really annoying that the SP had to erase Halruaa from the map.
Hi, dennis. Delighted to hear that you enjoyed C&K.
As for Halruaa, it would appear that some people did survive, but I don't know who they are or where they might have gone. Three (or even four) human generations have passed since the Spellplague, so I imagine any survivors would be thoroughly assimilated into their new situations.
That said, I have wondered what remains of Halruaa. There's a little land left, so it's likely that someone (or something) is still living there. If so, they'd face some interesting challenges. I'd be interested in revisiting the area. It would be a wonderful setting for a ghost story, if nothing else.
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Posted - 01 Nov 2010 : 19:33:15
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Originally posted by The Red Walker
I hope Halruaa sees a much deserved "revival"...but I kinda think they used the spellplague a a big smokescreen to further hide themselves and are in better shape then ever, holed away researching and studying magic without fear of outside interference!
That's a possibility. I don't think, though, that the reason for such “smokescreen” is for them to “study magic without fear of outside interference.” Remember, you yourself quoted Ed's words regarding Halruaa's endless state of readiness for any outside threat: they have more than enough powerful battle spells to repel any invasion. No foolish nation would dare invade them, not even Shade nor Thay– at least not directly.
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Edited by - Dennis on 01 Nov 2010 19:37:36 |
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Thay versus Halruaa
