Candlekeep Forum
Candlekeep Forum
Home | Profile | Register | Active Topics | Active Polls | Members | Private Messages | Search | FAQ
Username:
Password:
Save Password
Forgot your Password?

 All Forums
 Realmslore
 Sages of Realmslore
 Humans in the Yuirwood
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Previous Page
Author Previous Topic Topic Next Topic
Page: of 2

cpthero2
Great Reader

USA
2286 Posts

Posted - 18 Feb 2020 :  19:13:09  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Master Krashos,

My apologies for jumping in a couple of weeks late here...

I was really thinking about this a lot, and I wanted to throw out some ideas, just to see what you think of them.

What if we looked at migration patterns established in early human history, followed by conquest actions as the basis for taking known genetic traits to establish the appearance of the folk in the Yuirwood? As an example you can look at how the Ulutiun's migrated to the Great Glacier/Sossal area. We know this happened. So, what if migrants from roughly what is now days called the Ra-Khati area came in and crossed over what is now the Bitter Well Caravan Route before the Dragon Wall was built? Here is my support of the idea.

First, establish some timeline parameters for age, so we know that this idea works.

The Ulutiun's As Support of Early Migration

quote:
Although the Ulutiun's have long inhabited the polar reaches of Faerun, these short, dark-haired, broad-faced humans with light-brown skin are actually migrants from the northern reaches of Kara-Tur who moved westward across the polar ice cap millenia ago.

The Sea of Moving Ice, the Ice Peak, and the Cold Run (as the icy reaches of the northernmost Sword Coast are sometimes known) are home to the Ice Hunters, the westernmost group of Ulutiuns. Believe to predate the arrival of both the Netherese and the Illuskans... (Races of Faerun, p.109)


So, knowing that the Netherese established their civilization right around -3859DR, and that the Illuskans were first established c. -3000DR, we have a starting point of timelines.
_____________________

Dragon Wall

We know the Dragon Wall was created the Great Dragonwall when,

quote:
Using the Jade Mirror, Emperor Tan Chin and his friend Kar Wuan trick Pao Hu Jen the Guardian into flying to the lands of the horse barbarians where they transform the dragon into the Great Dragonwall of Shou Lung. (GHotR, p.36)


So, we know the wall wasn't there before that time, which means going that route over land is plausible. Additionally, we know other humans were in that area starting in c. -8900DR with the Taangan Steppe Folk (Tuigan later on) in addition to humans living in the Ra-Khati area. These peoples are the only references with the exception of the ancient Durpari and Imaskari due to the transdimensional portal magic that was being used at that time. An excerpt from Races of Faerun (apologies for the long excerpt, but I feel it needed):

quote:
In –8350 DR, a splinter tribe of the ancient Durpari traveled northeast to settle in the fertile basin of the
Raurin Plateau. During the Nemrut period (–8350 to –7975), named for the civilization’s first warlord, the Imaskari lived in tribal communities ruled by chiefs and the warrior aristocracy. The spread of agriculture during this time led to a rising population and the founding of many farming villages on the plateau. The founding of the Imperial City of Inupras ushered in the Early Dynastic period (–7975 to –6422), when Umyatin assumed the title of lord artificer and emperor.
This period was marked primarily by the Imaskari elite’s mastery of transdimensional magic. The artificers used this knowledge to create a sprawling network of portals, which allowed them to cross vast distances in the blink of an eye. These permanent, two-way portals were constructed as circles of massive bronze spires, each etched with an intricate runic design said to be batrachi in origin. These Bukhara Spires allowed whole legions to pass swiftly from one domain to the next, precipitating the rapid expansion of the Imaskar Empire across eastern Faerűn. By the end of the Early Dynastic period, the empire’s borders reached from the Great Ice Sea to the Golden Water, and from the Alamber Sea to the Katakoro Plateau in Kara-Tur. First to fall to the burgeoning empire were the kobold tribes of Zexthandrim, followed by the korobokuru dwarves of Shan Nala. Subsequent campaigns brought about the subjugation of the Taangan steppe peoples and
the annexation of Khati, Durpar, and Ulgarth. Imaskar’s first military defeat came in –6788 DR, when its western outpost in Aerilpar was besieged by forest landwyrms. A Raudor peasant rebellion followed in –6779, but the uprising was quickly put down.(Races of Faerun, p.18)

_______________________

Semphar Connection

The people of Semphar, though there is not a lot of lore about them, are identified as having an interesting history with Mulhorand, the Imaskari, and Shou Empires.

quote:
Semphar has a long history, a mixture of subjugation and independence. At different times it has been part of the Imaskari, Mulhorand, and Shou empires. Each has left its mark in religions, language, customs, and laws. The Imaskari influence, most ancient, has left a lingering mystery of magical might and terror. Mulhorand promoted religious beliefs. Even today the Caliph is held in near godlike reverence. The Shou built the framework of a bureaucracy and civil law, allowing trade to flourish and prosper in Semphar. In addition, neighboring Solon has spread many Devic influences in dress, food, and religionThe horsemen of the steppes have made their impact on the armies of Semphar, which have a large proportion of cavalry.(The Horde, p.101, 1990)


We all know that with subjugation comes cross-breeding (to put that politely) and those genetic pools mix. Another great link for apperance.
_______________________

So, what if you made the people that were in the areas of what is now known as Ra-Khati, Taangan Steppe's, Semphar and the migrated Durpari, the humans that were the stock of the people that eventually settled in that Yuirwood area?

A further look at some of those people gives us a good idea of why that stock makes sense when you look at their physical appearance.

  • Gur Tribe (Taan people from the Endless Wastes): "Gurs were typically a stout, strong, and sturdy people, with thick black hair, dark eyes, and dusky skin (Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide, p.111, 2015)(Player's Guide to Faerun, p.17, 2004)
  • Aglarondian people: "Human Aglarondans are sturdy, dark-haired people with brown or blue eyes and ruddy skin from regular exposure to the elements."(Spellbound, p.49, 1995)
  • Durpari people: "The average Durpari stands only 5-1/2 feet tall and has dark, almost ebony-colored skin and black or gray eyes. Her hair is usually dark and thick, though once in a while, a child with deep reddish-gold hair is born."(Shining South, p.114, 2004)


When you take into account how the Mulan abused, enslaved, etc. the Durpari when they migrated north after their initial civilization collapsed, the migratory habits of the Taangan people, humans from the region we now know of as Ra-Khati, and what Aglarondian's look like now, there seems to be a good argument for the appearance of the people of Aglarond now days. I mean, genetics turns out to be a beautiful thing to look at for why it has melted out the way it has. :)

Here is a list for a quick comparison on those traits:

  • Gur: Thick black hair, dark eyes, dusky skin
  • Durpari: Almost ebony skin, black/gray eyes, dark thick hair
  • Mulan: Sallow skin, brown or hazel eyes
  • Shou: Yellowish-bronze skin, black hair
  • Imaskari: Unknown what their features were like before they went underground as far as I know
  • Aglarond: Ruddy skin, brown or blue eyes, dark-haired


I think the great option here is that you can see with conquest, cross-breeding, and all within a somewhat localized area due to migration patterns as well that this can come together nicely.

What are your thoughts?
_________________________

Best regards,






quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

In my constant quest to mine the nuggets of realmslore that lie in the many FR sources from 1E to 3E, I was re-reading Demihuman Deities last night and came across a reference to humans living in the Yuirwood before the elves came there. It was these humans who first worshipped Relkath, Zandilar, the Simbul, etc.

As of UE, we know that the Yuirwood was colonised by elves in c. -9800 DR, so these humans were there before this date.

I'm just wondering if any of the scribes here had any thoughts on what racial stock they may be, where they came from (or of they were 'native' to the area) and probably more importantly, what happened to them or where they went.

Musings and thoughts most welcome.

-- George Krashos



Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring
Go to Top of Page

George Krashos
Master of Realmslore

Australia
6666 Posts

Posted - 19 Feb 2020 :  01:13:26  Show Profile Send George Krashos a Private Message  Reply with Quote
I have much later come to the conclusion that the original human inhabitants of the Yuirwood, like the Netherese in their particular region, were "always there". Well, they were part of a sizable human populations that roamed the much larger conjoined forests of the Unapproachable East. In fact, I even gave them a name: "the Arthraen" - although that's not what they called themselves.

-- George Krashos

"Because only we, contrary to the barbarians, never count the enemy in battle." -- Aeschylus

Edited by - George Krashos on 19 Feb 2020 01:21:38
Go to Top of Page

cpthero2
Great Reader

USA
2286 Posts

Posted - 19 Feb 2020 :  01:17:02  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great Reader Krashos,

Well....damn! hahaha

I thought I had some great stuff there. Oh well, worse things to do than get even more steeped in the lore of the Realms! :)

Thank you for sharing that though.

Best regards,




quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

I have much later come to the conclusion that the original human inhabitants of the Yuirwood, like the Netherese in their particular region, were "always there". Well, they were part of a sizable human populations that roamed the much larger con-joined forests of the Unapproachable East. In fact, I even game them a name: "the Arthraen" - although that's not what they called themselves.

-- George Krashos


Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring
Go to Top of Page

cpthero2
Great Reader

USA
2286 Posts

Posted - 19 Feb 2020 :  04:03:21  Show Profile  Visit cpthero2's Homepage Send cpthero2 a Private Message  Reply with Quote
Great Reader Krashos,

I forgot to ask earlier...

Was there anything in particular that led you to choose the name, "Arthraen?"

Best regards,




quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos

I have much later come to the conclusion that the original human inhabitants of the Yuirwood, like the Netherese in their particular region, were "always there". Well, they were part of a sizable human populations that roamed the much larger conjoined forests of the Unapproachable East. In fact, I even gave them a name: "the Arthraen" - although that's not what they called themselves.

-- George Krashos


Higher Atlar
Spirit Soaring
Go to Top of Page
Page: of 2 Previous Topic Topic Next Topic  
Previous Page
 New Topic  New Poll New Poll
 Reply to Topic
 Printer Friendly
Jump To:
Candlekeep Forum © 1999-2024 Candlekeep.com Go To Top Of Page
Snitz Forums 2000