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webmanus
Learned Scribe
Sweden
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 Posted - 02 May 2005 : 20:52:03
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Hi folks!
I am writing a very short description of a thorp located in the Western Heartlands. However, I have problems formulating the following in English:
"The thorp's citizens recognises Scornubel's authority and are considered landed citizens of the city-state."
By the way, do you agree that such a little settlement, located only six miles from Scornubel, is to be considered as part of the city-state of Scornubel? Any other thought?
Below, the description of the thorp text:
Maplewood Thorp (Non-canon)
Maplewood is a small thorp in the vicinity of Scornubel, located six miles north of the large city, and about twelve miles from The Reaching Woods. The thorp's citizens recognises Scornubel's authority and are considered landed citizens of the city-state. In the thorp lives 35 persons that farm the surrounding land and hunt in the nearby woods.
Mappewood (Thorp): Population 35 (adults); 30 humans (25 Tethyrians, 4 Calishites, and 1 Illuskan), 2 moon elves, 1 lightfoot halfling, 1 Tethyrian half-orc, and 1 rock gnome.
... maybe I should return to the tedious task of translating my Mistledale document 
Best regards,
Manuel
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 21:08:41
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quote:
Originally posted by webmanus
Hi folks!
I am writing a very short description of a thorp located in the Western Heartlands. However, I have problems formulating the following in English:
"The thorp's citizens recognises Scornubel's authority and are considered landed citizens of the city-state."
"The thorp's citizens recognises Scornubel's authority and are considered residents of the city-state."
I think might convey what you mean. That these citizens bow to authority and laws of the city-state and are entitled to the same legal rights as a Scornubel citizen that lives in the city.
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By the way, do you agree that such a little settlement, located only six miles from Scornubel, is to be considered as part of the city-state of Scornubel? Any other thought?
I would be surprised that this thorp would not be a part of the city-state. The amount of farmland to support a city could extend much further then 6 miles. The thorp would be a farming hub that helps feed the city in my view. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 21:19:57
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| Agreed, everything that is within a day's ride and can be secured by patrols can belong to a city... although if the thorp's inhabitants are fiercely independent, it might be another story... Asterix & Obelix comics anyone? |
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webmanus
Learned Scribe
Sweden
338 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2005 : 21:22:46
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Thanks Kentinal and Mumadar Ibn Huzal!
I am updating my descrition with Kentinal's text.
Best regards,
Manuel |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
1338 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2005 : 22:13:55
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Ingen fara*
Could you share the description of the thorp here on the site? Since I'm running a campaign in the area, it might be a nice addition.
* thanks to Hymn for the quick lesson in Swedish |
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webmanus
Learned Scribe
Sweden
338 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2005 : 22:30:40
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At the moment, I have not written any more  However, I will write some more stuff ... given time. And, yes, I will let you know. I just have that tedious task of translating ...
Still, any suggestions to the thorp? I am thinking of having the Calishites beeing a family (grandfather, father, mother, and 16+ son/daughter). However, I cannot imagine what they are dooing there. I would need to read something to fing some inspiration ... The half-orc, that is a sad story that ... as always. He is most probably the daughter of a resident of the thorp. It could be the grandson of one of the thorps council elder ...
The thorp will not have an inn or tavern ... |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
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Posted - 02 May 2005 : 22:39:19
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Originally posted by Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Could you share the description of the thorp here on the site? Since I'm running a campaign in the area, it might be a nice addition.
It might aid to know what type of description you are seeking.
Of course not my campaign, however it would indeed be interesting to know about buildings (and their positions) and the lands in crop, in woods and so on.
Often such details do not concern many gamers, though I have tried to balance core rules with believiblity in my own campaigns. This is at times hard to achive.
It would be interesting to know if there are any crafters living in the thorp, certainly there would not be many as farming comunities tend to not provide much income for them. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Kentinal
Great Reader
4693 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2005 : 22:49:27
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Originally posted by webmanus
Still, any suggestions to the thorp? I am thinking of having the Calishites beeing a family (grandfather, father, mother, and 16+ son/daughter). However, I cannot imagine what they are dooing there.
The grandfarter was disgraced and exiled and found this small community accepting of him and his wife and family. quote:
The half-orc, that is a sad story that ... as always. He is most probably the daughter of a resident of the thorp. It could be the grandson of one of the thorps council elder ...
Not sure if a thorp could support a council, though certainly would be a leader. I would suspect selected by the city-state and prehaps made herditary. This leader however would not have abosulute control, that there would be community meetings. The concil would be the community members.
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The thorp will not have an inn or tavern ...
The odds would be very low that either would exist. There most likely is not even a Smith there because of the small size. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
Edited by - Kentinal on 02 May 2005 22:50:26 |
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webmanus
Learned Scribe
Sweden
338 Posts |
Posted - 02 May 2005 : 23:10:04
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Disgraced and exiled, perfect! Could be from Tethyr, Amn, or even Calimshan. Any votes?
No council, but an appointed leader ... as long as it follows the mindset of Tethyrians, then I am happy. Tethyrians are independent and value personal freedom. But then, they are not Dalemans. But, having a by the city-state appointed leader should be OK. No title ... or ... maybe ... mayor ... but not a hereditary position nor title.
Crafters ... as always, gnomes are by default put to such roles ... but if I can find a gnome that does something else, then the better it is.
OK, time to write a bit or two before it gets too late. Kentinal, as always, thanks! |
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Kentinal
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Posted - 03 May 2005 : 03:22:48
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quote:
Originally posted by webmanus
No council, but an appointed leader ... as long as it follows the mindset of Tethyrians, then I am happy. Tethyrians are independent and value personal freedom. But then, they are not Dalemans. But, having a by the city-state appointed leader should be OK. No title ... or ... maybe ... mayor ... but not a hereditary position nor title.
Well city-state apointment would have a title, non noble though, like spokeman, warder, tax collector, he whom speaks for the community, or could be mayor, perhaps even selected from the community and aceptible by the city-state.
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Crafters ... as always, gnomes are by default put to such roles ... but if I can find a gnome that does something else, then the better it is.
Oh certainly there would be crafters, just the odds are low that any one could make a full time living just doing the craft is what I meant. That there will not be a blacksmith available at all times, however certainly should be a few that can do minor smithing repairs. The DC 5 to 10 range and certainly not a full time job. With 25 families there should be a wide range of limited or small knowledge in many crafts and professions, though most would tend to go toward food production or gathering. The city is not that far away to buy the skilleds of people not worried about growing their own food. |
"Small beings can have small wisdom," the dragon said. "And small wise beings are better than small fools. Listen: Wisdom is caring for afterwards."
"Caring for afterwards ...? Ker repeated this without understanding.
"After action, afterwards," the dragon said. "Choose the afterwards first, then the action. Fools choose action first."
"Judgement" copyright 2003 by Elizabeth Moon |
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Mumadar Ibn Huzal
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 03 May 2005 : 07:32:04
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When you mention Tethyrians and Calishites, do you mean people from that country or the humand ethnic groups?
In case of the latter, the presence of a family of Calishite ethnic origin would be less 'difficult' to explain, as Calishites have been in the area since the mid-4th century DR when the Shoon empire tried to expand their empire. They could just be descendants, or related to other families in the area which could trace their lineage back to the 300-400's DR.
Now that obviously goes a long way back, and in more recent times there have always been migrations of some sort or other. The famliy could be immigrants themselves, or they are 1st, 2nd, 3rd or whatever generation immingrants... |
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webmanus
Learned Scribe
Sweden
338 Posts |
Posted - 03 May 2005 : 18:42:14
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Hi Mumadar Ibn Huzal,
It is the ethnic groups that I have in mind, not the countries.
/Manuel |
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Maplewood Thorp (Non-canon)
