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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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 Posted - 29 May 2005 : 18:56:02
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
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Hullack Hall. Dragon #281.
I think the place was -gard something... I have to read that article.
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I'm afraid I have no information at all to share on this matter.
Hopefully there will be a Cormyr accessory which will shed some light on this issue. The Heralds are now part of folk lore in Cormyr, and apparently at least Yimluth (according to VGtC) is still active (and possibly a demigod/rank 0 deity). Certainly some of the other Heralds are still around, lurking in the background, and since the goals of these two organisation seem very similar, I assume there have been conflicts between them?
[quote]According to Cormanthyr: Empire of the Elves, the Sword Heralds started operating circa 620DR. In Cloak and Dagger, Khelben Arunson is said to have worked with this elusive group in or around 1070DR. Any other information is, at this point, mostly conjecture.
Thank you, Garen! This information is appreciated, and you really know your accessories to retrieve that information so quickly 
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2005 : 19:16:04
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
I think the place was -gard something... I have to read that article.
You may be thinking of Irongard (a small building in the Stonelands). Dungeon #18. You may be thinking of Greatgard, seat of the Greatgaunt noble family, but that's been part of Cormyr since the family's founding. Eastern Cormyr was largely unsettled before the fall of the Witch-Lords, and there weren't any castles to speak of.
And yes, I do know my Cormyr sources quite well. I've referenced and cross-referenced them all a hundred times.  |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2005 : 21:04:33
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
You may be thinking of Irongard (a small building in the Stonelands). Dungeon #18. You may be thinking of Greatgard, seat of the Greatgaunt noble family, but that's been part of Cormyr since the family's founding. Eastern Cormyr was largely unsettled before the fall of the Witch-Lords, and there weren't any castles to speak of.
No, not Irongard (I have that Dungeon issue). And not Greatgaunt, either. I think it was something like Jhynstalgard (?) or something like that - or maybe I've been dreaming? It may have been in Juniril, or nearby it.
It'd be nice to have more information about when the smaller settlements (villages/hamlets) in Cormyr were founded. I guess in eastern Cormyr this happened after 900DR when the Witch Lords were defeated.
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And yes, I do know my Cormyr sources quite well. I've referenced and cross-referenced them all a hundred times.
Still, it is impressive  . I have poured through both 'Cormanthyr' and 'Cloak & Dagger', and yet cannot remember those references you mentioned. Which is probably due to my lack of proper attention to detail  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 29 May 2005 : 21:22:55
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
And yes, I do know my Cormyr sources quite well. I've referenced and cross-referenced them all a hundred times.
Only a hundred?  |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 29 May 2005 : 21:27:43
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Garen, I noticed these on the FR timeline:
640 DR (Year of the Fanged Beast): "The Sword Heralds of Cormyr create an extra-dimensional labyrinth for the amusement of the jaded young nobles of House Auantiver and stock it with all manner of monstrous creatures."
658 DR (Year of the Dangerous Game): "During this time, it becomes fashionable among the adventuresome scions of Cormyr's noble houses to run the gauntlet of beasts dwelling in the Sword Herald- created Auantiver Labyrinth."
662 DR (Year of the People's Mourning): "The heirs of the Cormyrean houses of Bleth, Crownsilver, and Truesilver die in the monster-filled interdimensional Auantiver Labyrinth."
1247 DR (Year of the Purple Basilisk): " The Company of Jade, an all-male band of adventuresome lordlings, stumble into the long- forgotten Auantiver Labyrinth while exploring the ruins of Battlegate Keep near the border of Cormyr and Sembia. They encounter a monstrous purple basilisk that kills all but a handful of the Company."
1276 DR (Year of the Crumbling Keep): "The Men of the Basilisk decide to open their ranks to any promising young noble or merchant lord who can survive the crucible of the extra-dimensional Auantiver Labyrinth and its fearsome basilisk guardian."
The Auantiver noble family (now extinct) had their seat in Battlerise, in eastern Cormyr, where their ruined castle 'Battlegate' still stands (as mentioned in VGtC).
Do you have any information about them? Did they relocate after 900DR to Battlerise? All the excerpts above seem to indicate that this "extra-dimensional labyrinth" was reached at Battlegate, which means that the Witch Lords could not have controlled eastern Cormyr at that time (600-700 DR)? Any idea when the Witch Lords rose to power?
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 30 May 2005 : 15:44:23
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 31 May 2005 : 04:36:32
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
The Auantiver noble family (now extinct) had their seat in Battlerise, in eastern Cormyr, where their ruined castle 'Battlegate' still stands (as mentioned in VGtC).
They did indeed. I'll note for the record, however, that to my knowledge, the above-mentioned dates for their labyrinth (particularly the earliest ones) are largely conjecture, as they don't appear in any official sources.
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Any idea when the Witch Lords rose to power?
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 31 May 2005 : 12:30:36
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
I'll note for the record, however, that to my knowledge, the above-mentioned dates for their labyrinth (particularly the earliest ones) are largely conjecture, as they don't appear in any official sources.
Thanks Garen Thal. |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 13:40:06
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
For those timeline references, which source were they taken from? A novel? Gaming Product?
I found a 'complete' timeline on a couple of webpages, and both seemed to contain those same references. Thus I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that this was either from an accessory that I donīt have, or perhaps posted by one of the Sages on some thread.
This one of the websites: http://www.o-love.net/realms/fr_time_11.html
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 13:43:58
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
The Auantiver noble family (now extinct) had their seat in Battlerise, in eastern Cormyr, where their ruined castle 'Battlegate' still stands (as mentioned in VGtC).
They did indeed. I'll note for the record, however, that to my knowledge, the above-mentioned dates for their labyrinth (particularly the earliest ones) are largely conjecture, as they don't appear in any official sources.
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Any idea when the Witch Lords rose to power?
Yes.
Ah, please tell us, Garen
During king Duarīs reign, eastern Cormyr was still largely unsettled, and yet unconquered by Cormyr. Either Cormyr hadnīt yet clashed with the Witch Lords, whose center of power was located around Wyvernwater (if I only remember it correctly), or the Witch Lords were an insignificant/hidden power at that time. So, I would guess that during 700-800 DR? |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
1105 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 16:26:20
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I'm really not allowed, for moral, ethical, personal and legal reasons. Or, as Ed would say, "NDA."
And before anyone starts speculating, no, this isn't a specific NDA. This is a general "I've talked with Ed about this and won't discuss it because I hope he gets to show it all to you later on, rather than giving you a neat little timeline in a few sentences now." |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
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Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 16:54:32
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
I'm really not allowed, for moral, ethical, personal and legal reasons. Or, as Ed would say, "NDA."
And before anyone starts speculating, no, this isn't a specific NDA. This is a general "I've talked with Ed about this and won't discuss it because I hope he gets to show it all to you later on, rather than giving you a neat little timeline in a few sentences now."
Ah, understood. Hopefully we will see this information in a *cough* Cormyr reg*cough* *cough*
Or a novel, for that matter. Okay, I will stop speculating now |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36797 Posts |
Posted - 01 Jun 2005 : 17:20:10
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
For those timeline references, which source were they taken from? A novel? Gaming Product?
I found a 'complete' timeline on a couple of webpages, and both seemed to contain those same references. Thus I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that this was either from an accessory that I donīt have, or perhaps posted by one of the Sages on some thread.
This one of the websites: http://www.o-love.net/realms/fr_time_11.html
The best timeline that I know of for the Realms is now hosted on this very site.
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 06 Jun 2005 : 21:31:43
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
For those timeline references, which source were they taken from? A novel? Gaming Product?
I found a 'complete' timeline on a couple of webpages, and both seemed to contain those same references. Thus I assumed (perhaps wrongly) that this was either from an accessory that I donīt have, or perhaps posted by one of the Sages on some thread.
This one of the websites: http://www.o-love.net/realms/fr_time_11.html
The best timeline that I know of for the Realms is now hosted on this very site.
A Grand History of the Realms
Ah, thanks Wooly! I shall download it right away  |
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Forge
Learned Scribe
USA
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Posted - 07 Jun 2005 : 00:20:52
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Just off the top, there is at LEAST one acknowledged male scion of the Obaskyr line presented in the Cormyr novel. (Brace Scatterhawk)
Another option would be for an unscrupulous Arcanist to lay hands on a enough physical substance (Hair, skin, flesh, etc) of one of the heirs to create a clone, much as Vangerdahast kept samples for just such an event. Then there was the ploy of Brantarra to take over the realm. (But that takes a whole novel to cover, and rather masterfully at that.) |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 09 Jun 2005 : 16:37:07
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Originally posted by Forge
Just off the top, there is at LEAST one acknowledged male scion of the Obaskyr line presented in the Cormyr novel. (Brace Scatterhawk)
Another option would be for an unscrupulous Arcanist to lay hands on a enough physical substance (Hair, skin, flesh, etc) of one of the heirs to create a clone, much as Vangerdahast kept samples for just such an event. Then there was the ploy of Brantarra to take over the realm. (But that takes a whole novel to cover, and rather masterfully at that.)
Well met! Indeed Brace is one of apparently many such descendants of Azoun IV, though I think he is not an officially acknowledged heir. Alusair (knowing his fatherīs reputation) confronted him about this, and Brace admitted that many in his own family seemed to think him as "Azoun's son".
It certainly would be possible to create a clone, yet it would demand a certain amount of plotting to swap the original with the clone. I think it would be far more easier to try to use mind control-spells on a real one, though I am sure that Old Snoop has made sure that all "proven" descendants are, at least occasionally, monitored by the War Wizards.
If you are referring to those samples described in 'Cormyr: A Novel' (Damn, I said the 'N-word' ;) there are only samples of the ROYAL family, not their potential children/heirs (such as Brace).
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MojoGM
Acolyte
USA
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Posted - 16 Jun 2005 : 15:53:47
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Originally posted by Beowulf
In my campaign a number of nobles had a secret organization called the Knights of Immeresk ... named after one of the sub-kingdoms that Cormyr eventualy absorbed. Their goal had long been the reestablishment of the kingdom of Immeresk, and this became a real possibility following the sacking of Old Cormyr North, the death of Azoun IV, the placing of an untested infant upon the throne, and the destruction of Tilverton.
This sounds interesting. Please tell us more! |
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Asgetrion
Master of Realmslore
Finland
1564 Posts |
Posted - 22 Oct 2005 : 18:02:20
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Originally posted by Garen Thal
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Originally posted by Asgetrion
The Auantiver noble family (now extinct) had their seat in Battlerise, in eastern Cormyr, where their ruined castle 'Battlegate' still stands (as mentioned in VGtC).
They did indeed. I'll note for the record, however, that to my knowledge, the above-mentioned dates for their labyrinth (particularly the earliest ones) are largely conjecture, as they don't appear in any official sources.
Garen,
I was looking through back issues of 'Polyhedron' magazine, and found an article (by Eric Boyd) concerning Men of the Basilisk, who apparently have a major base in Battlegate. I don't remember the issue, but this article also has some useful information about Auantivers and their 'Sword Herald-made' labyrinth, and also lists those above-mentioned dates. |
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msatran
Learned Scribe
USA
210 Posts |
Posted - 23 Oct 2005 : 05:55:29
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Well, why don't you just do this?
Cormyrian nobles are always disgruntled. Rather than raise a new king, bring back an OLD one.
Yeah, sure, an undead Cormyrian King would be a really annoying foe, but that's always amusing when the PC's think they've beaten the proxy guy, the REAL bad guy shows up. And are they prepared for undead? Heck no! |
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DestroyYouAlot
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2005 : 20:12:13
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
[quote]Originally posted by George Krashos
The reference to Gondegal ending up in Ravenloft ...
-- George Krashos
It was also in the first Ravenloft boxed set, where Gondegal got a full write-up (albeit a short one).
Hmmm... How about, in that case, a Gondegal imposter? A man wishing Cormyr ill could stir up all kinds of trouble using that name - and who would really recognize the real one to say that the imposter isn't him? I may have to use this myself, now that I think of it. Perhaps even an independent minor bandit leader allied with the Shades... Or the Zhentarim... Or the *goes into DM trance*... |
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sleyvas
Skilled Spell Strategist
USA
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Posted - 24 Oct 2005 : 21:29:47
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| At present state, I just don't see the Cormyreans caring enough to want to fight over who should be on the throne. I see them more trying to rebuild their own communities. After the hell they've been through, I see it being that people either give up on the government altogether (in which case an outside power swoops in)... or they forge a new, common goal and take the kingdom down a new path. Cormyr will never be the same as a result (or at least, not without several generations of work). |
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DestroyYouAlot
Seeker
USA
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Posted - 25 Oct 2005 : 14:13:28
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Originally posted by sleyvas
At present state, I just don't see the Cormyreans caring enough to want to fight over who should be on the throne. I see them more trying to rebuild their own communities.
True, but that kind of conflict is rarely the result of the people's wishes, but rather the nobility's ambition. |
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