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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 04:52:49
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It's good, got it yesterday at Icon. I'm slightly disappointed with how little... I guess variety they go into with the different main races, but the info on the Beholders and Mind Flayers alone is awesome.
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 05:02:33
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 05:10:57
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How about chapters, I'm kinda tired to type it all out now.
Chapter 1: What is an Aberation? 5
CHapter 2: The Deep Masters 15 (some weird fish)
Chapter 3: The Eye Tyrants 37 (duh!)
Chapter 4: The Mind Flayers 61 (duh!)
Chapter 5: The Slave Takers 89 (some weird ant race)
Chapter 6: The Eaters 107 (squid out of water)
Chapter 7: The Wearers of Flesh 121 (tenticle shapechangers)
Chapter 8: New Monsters 135
Chapter 9: The Aberration Hunter 173 (prestige classes, spells, feats.)
222 pages. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 05:13:15
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Originally posted by SirUrza
It's good, got it yesterday at Icon. I'm slightly disappointed with how little... I guess variety they go into with the different main races, but the info on the Beholders and Mind Flayers alone is awesome.
Will it prove useful for your Realms campaign? |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 05:18:11
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Sure, especially those that want Lich Flayers (Alhoon) and Super Illithids (Ultiharids).
But yeah, if you want some culture, structure, etc. information about them it's awesome. |
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Edited by - SirUrza on 10 Apr 2005 05:18:43 |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 06:12:44
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Haven't picked it up yet, but did take a skim of it, was kinda disappointed.
So far the best of this series is the first, Draconomicon.
Was kinda expecting more for some reason.
Maybe once I actually get it, in about 2 weeks or so (found some consignment stuff that was at too good of a price to pass, especially when the stuff was practically new), and have a chance to read it I might change my tune. |
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Lord Rad
Great Reader
United Kingdom
2080 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 10:00:27
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I'm quite looking forward to this product as i'm a fan of beholders and illithids. Even so, I don't think WotC can ever top the quality of Draconomicon. Whilst I enjoyed Libris Mortis, Draconomicon just held the edge. A great series all round though.
...and why they dropped the Codex Anaethema(sp?) title is beyond me ...MUCH better than Lords of Madness.
So hows the interior artwork looking?  |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 15:09:14
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Originally posted by SirUrza
How about chapters, I'm kinda tired to type it all out now.
Chapter 1: What is an Aberation? 5
CHapter 2: The Deep Masters 15 (some weird fish)
Chapter 3: The Eye Tyrants 37 (duh!)
Chapter 4: The Mind Flayers 61 (duh!)
Chapter 5: The Slave Takers 89 (some weird ant race)
Chapter 6: The Eaters 107 (squid out of water)
Chapter 7: The Wearers of Flesh 121 (tenticle shapechangers)
Chapter 8: New Monsters 135
Chapter 9: The Aberration Hunter 173 (prestige classes, spells, feats.)
222 pages.
Is Chapter 5 about the neogi? |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
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Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 15:29:32
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Originally posted by Lord Rad
...and why they dropped the Codex Anaethema(sp?) title is beyond me...MUCH better than Lords of Madness.
Just a theory....the former title would have been way too confusing for the average consumer to understand and pronounce. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 16:13:05
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Is Chapter 5 about the neogi?
Yeap. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 16:49:11
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Is Chapter 5 about the neogi?
Yeap.
Any mention of their spelljamming heritage? |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2005 : 17:02:34
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Chapter 7: The Wearers of Flesh 121 (tenticle shapechangers)
Oh, the Malaugrym gets to make an appearance outside the Realms |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 03:58:17
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Oh, the Malaugrym gets to make an appearance outside the Realms
No, they're not the malaugrym, but they might as well have been. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
1283 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 04:01:10
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I see my attempt at humor has failed and I don't want people misunderstand my jokes so here's the revised chapters...
Chapter 2: The Deep Masters 15 (aboleth)
Chapter 3: The Eye Tyrants 37 (beholder)
Chapter 4: The Mind Flayers 61 (illithid)
Chapter 5: The Slave Takers 89 (neogi)
Chapter 6: The Eaters 107 (grell)
Chapter 7: The Wearers of Flesh 121 (toschar)
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"Evil prevails when good men fail to act."
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Edited by - SirUrza on 11 Apr 2005 04:02:42 |
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
2104 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 05:40:44
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Originally posted by SirUrza
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Originally posted by Kajehase
Oh, the Malaugrym gets to make an appearance outside the Realms
No, they're not the malaugrym, but they might as well have been.
Hence the "" |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 06:55:21
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Originally posted by SirUrza
Chapter 7: The Wearers of Flesh 121 (tenticle shapechangers)
That would be the new race, the tsochari.
I was greatly disappointed with what I read regarding the origins of the illithids. The suggestion of time travel was extraordinarily bizarre. I thought at least, that Cordell would stick to some of what we know about the creation of the illithid race as outlined through the 'Prophecies' in The Illithiad.
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Kuje
Great Reader
USA
7915 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 17:21:16
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Any mention of their spelljamming heritage?
Since no one answered you and I saw these replies on the WOTC boards:
"They mention Spelljammer ships by name. The Illithids Nautiloids are "described" but without game stats, as the the Neogi ships. Of course, there are 2 pictures of the Neogi ships."
"Nautiloids and Mindspiders are indeed mentioned by name. but the words "Spelljammer" and "spelljamming" are not used, and the assertion is that they are more "flying ships" than "interplanetary ships" though there is an inference that both races have used them to travel from world to world."
"Page 6, Flying ships (sometimes called spelljammers) can reach the moon(s), nearby planets, or possibly even the worlds of other stars altogether."
Now I don't own this book yet but the comic store guy is holding my copy. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2005 : 17:37:27
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Any mention of their spelljamming heritage?
Since no one answered you and I saw these replies on the WOTC boards:
"They mention Spelljammer ships by name. The Illithids Nautiloids are "described" but without game stats, as the the Neogi ships. Of course, there are 2 pictures of the Neogi ships."
"Nautiloids and Mindspiders are indeed mentioned by name. but the words "Spelljammer" and "spelljamming" are not used, and the assertion is that they are more "flying ships" than "interplanetary ships" though there is an inference that both races have used them to travel from world to world."
"Page 6, Flying ships (sometimes called spelljammers) can reach the moon(s), nearby planets, or possibly even the worlds of other stars altogether."
Now I don't own this book yet but the comic store guy is holding my copy. :)
Ah, cool. At least the 'jammer stuff got mentioned. That's a point in the book's favor.  |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
USA
1695 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:34:35
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by kuje31
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Any mention of their spelljamming heritage?
Since no one answered you and I saw these replies on the WOTC boards:
"They mention Spelljammer ships by name. The Illithids Nautiloids are "described" but without game stats, as the the Neogi ships. Of course, there are 2 pictures of the Neogi ships."
"Nautiloids and Mindspiders are indeed mentioned by name. but the words "Spelljammer" and "spelljamming" are not used, and the assertion is that they are more "flying ships" than "interplanetary ships" though there is an inference that both races have used them to travel from world to world."
"Page 6, Flying ships (sometimes called spelljammers) can reach the moon(s), nearby planets, or possibly even the worlds of other stars altogether."
Now I don't own this book yet but the comic store guy is holding my copy. :)
Ah, cool. At least the 'jammer stuff got mentioned. That's a point in the book's favor.
For sure |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:54:10
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Now I don't own this book yet but the comic store guy is holding my copy. :)
Is he an illithid fan? Because you might catch him saying "Worst illithid sourcebook EVER!"... .
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 02:58:54
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Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Now I don't own this book yet but the comic store guy is holding my copy. :)
Is he an illithid fan? Because you might catch him saying "Worst illithid sourcebook EVER!"... .
Actually the above is my post. :) But I don't know if he is. But you sure and the hells can't beat 30% off on WOTC material and other d20 material. :) |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 04:57:27
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Originally posted by kuje31
But you sure and the hells can't beat 30% off on WOTC material and other d20 material. :)
That is a good deal... I need to find an arrangement like that! |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 05:36:44
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Originally posted by kuje31
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Now I don't own this book yet but the comic store guy is holding my copy. :)
Is he an illithid fan? Because you might catch him saying "Worst illithid sourcebook EVER!"... .
Actually the above is my post. :) But I don't know if he is. But you sure and the hells can't beat 30% off on WOTC material and other d20 material. :)
If I place D&D products on pre-order with my shipping agent, I can normally secure a 15% discount on the cover price.
But 30%  ... That's even better. Does this happen every single time a new product is released?
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Kuje
Great Reader
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 06:04:32
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Originally posted by The Sage
If I place D&D products on pre-order with my shipping agent, I can normally secure a 15% discount on the cover price.
But 30% ... That's even better. Does this happen every single time a new product is released?
Yup. :) If cash it's 30% and he can order most d20 and all WOTC material. 15% if it's by credit card. I love my comic guy. :) |
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warlockco
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 12 Apr 2005 : 07:57:40
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Originally posted by kuje31
quote:
Originally posted by The Sage
If I place D&D products on pre-order with my shipping agent, I can normally secure a 15% discount on the cover price.
But 30% ... That's even better. Does this happen every single time a new product is released?
Yup. :) If cash it's 30% and he can order most d20 and all WOTC material. 15% if it's by credit card. I love my comic guy. :)
Nice, if my favorite gaming store did that, I would carry cash to buy things there, best I can get is 10% off anything in the store, due to one of my gaming groups are regulars of the game room there.
I know Employees get about 30% off most things or even better. |
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SiriusBlack
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Torkwaret
Seeker
Poland
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Posted - 16 Apr 2005 : 18:45:26
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Greetings !!
I've got three questions for owners (lucky people.., i'm still waiting)of LOM
1. Could you give me a breakdown of the new Ulitharid - no stats and such stuff, just what he can do and how much better he is compared to a regular Illithid. Oh, and CR would be very nice !!
2. Are there any interesting spells/psionic powers (especially of 9 level  )
3. Could you tell me something about the Elder Eidolon and Shaboath Golem ?/ (again CR's are welcome, for fun  )
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 06:33:51
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| The product now has an art gallery available for viewing. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 08:25:16
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And I see my concerns for 'all-things-tentacle-like' have again been proven accurate. I am slowly growing tired of this constant need by WotC to associate everything from the Far Realm with tentacles. The Far Realm is supposed to represent what the mortal mind cannot understand about the reality beyond our comprehension, and yet we still find basic interpretations and forms which are defined and make "sense".
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 18 Apr 2005 : 08:46:54
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| I guess its going to be the last "Monster type" book as there doesnt appear to another one on WOTC 2005 Catelouge |
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