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Ethriel
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 Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 14:17:26
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Inspired by Sirius's Predictions on End of WOTSQ
1. The Elves will find a new place in Faerun after the war (This one's sort of a given)
2. Xhalph Dlardrageth will take on Methrammar Aerasume (Silverymoon's champion vs. the Daemonfay champion, both fighting in the High Forest at the moment)
3. Malkizid will make a huge issue of himself, possibly become the TRUE villain of the piece
4. We'll get to see the full duel between Fflar and Aulmpiter
5. Seiveril and Fflar are heading to Arvandor...
6. Kymil Nimesin SHOULD appear...if only to get what's coming to him.
7. We'll learn more about Saelethil
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Edited by - Ethriel on 22 Mar 2005 14:18:37
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 16:20:33
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Originally posted by Ethriel
Inspired by Sirius's Predictions on End of WOTSQ
Way to early to get into specifics since there's been only one tome, but as to some of what you said
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1. The Elves will find a new place in Faerun after the war (This one's sort of a given)
Beyond a given. There's been a push along this line since 3rd edition began.
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2. Xhalph Dlardrageth will take on Methrammar Aerasume (Silverymoon's champion vs. the Daemonfay champion, both fighting in the High Forest at the moment)
I think Methrammar will find romance eventually before the series ends.
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3. Malkizid will make a huge issue of himself, possibly become the TRUE villain of the piece
Another given for me.
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5. Seiveril and Fflar are heading to Arvandor...
Aren't all elves headed to Arvandor eventually? Well, except for those dark elven types. But, how can anyone consider them elves to begin with...
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6. Kymil Nimesin SHOULD appear...if only to get what's coming to him.
He deserves his own novel where Elaith and Arilyn get to battle out over how Kymil is dealt with. I do not believe we will see anything of Kymil in this series.
I'm curious to see if all of the daemonfey are killed. Since LEOF almost featured some that were not part of Saarya's plot, I believe WOTC will keep some around as future villians. |
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 17:43:34
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Well, it's still enjoyable to make predictions of trilogies.
When I said Fflar and Seiveril were heading to Arvandor, I did mean I was pretty certain they were gonna end up dead. Seiveril's end was pretty foreshadowed by the thing with his wife.
And yeah, Nimesin deserves to get what's coming to him...though I don't think WOTC has anything planned for him at the moment, but I could be wrong...and I stand by my prediction Methrammar is going to finish Xhalph,
As for the Daemonfay, the army'll prolly be crushed but there'll be survivors here'n there |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 17:49:16
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Originally posted by Ethriel
When I said Fflar and Seiveril were heading to Arvandor, I did mean I was pretty certain they were gonna end up dead. Seiveril's end was pretty foreshadowed by the thing with his wife.
I agree. Severil is sure to perish. Fflar even if he survives, I don't see how he could not end up returning to Arvandor. It's clear at the end of the first novel that he's feeling out of place.
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And yeah, Nimesin deserves to get what's coming to him...though I don't think WOTC has anything planned for him at the moment,
Nimesin deserves a "he's in the car" fate. If you don't know what I'm referring to, check out the film, The Untouchables.
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As for the Daemonfay, the army'll prolly be crushed but there'll be survivors here'n there
Most likely. Now, here's something to throw into the mix. Do we see the Srinshee before the end of this trilogy? |
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Ethriel
Learned Scribe
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Posted - 22 Mar 2005 : 18:09:15
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Ahh, I can just imagine that... "You killed the King!"
"He died like a pig..."
"He sound anything like that?!"
That'd be classic...on the flip side, think my Xhalph/Meth prediction has any weight? And no plans to use Nimsein lately, right? |
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VEDSICA
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 13:50:27
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I think it's too early as well to make predictions of the outcome of this trilogy.All that I know is that the first book was lights out.
I don't think that Kymil Nimesin should appear in this trilogy.My reasoning is that it should be Elaine that writes his story.Besides isn't there enough villians in this book to hate???
Malkizid will most likely be the main villian at the end.Will he/she (not sure)survive????Looking at the articles from the WoTC site concerning LEoF.Malkizid would be 31373 years old.I maybe off a year or two,but what's another year when you are that old.
Fflar will not make it through.He will go down,but I am thinking he will go down fighting Malkizid. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 17:29:13
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
I don't think that Kymil Nimesin should appear in this trilogy.My reasoning is that it should be Elaine that writes his story.Besides isn't there enough villians in this book to hate???
I agree on both counts. I'd prefer Elaine write about this villian. Plus, I just fail to see how he could fit into the story without it appearing as if he's being forced into events.
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Fflar will not make it through.He will go down,but I am thinking he will go down fighting Malkizid.
Another epic battle for this champion only a different outcome perhaps for his race this time. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Mar 2005 : 22:51:54
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
I don't think that Kymil Nimesin should appear in this trilogy.My reasoning is that it should be Elaine that writes his story.Besides isn't there enough villians in this book to hate???
I agree on both counts. I'd prefer Elaine write about this villian. Plus, I just fail to see how he could fit into the story without it appearing as if he's being forced into events.
It could be done.... But yeah, I'd rather see Elaine right about Kymil.
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
Fflar will not make it through.He will go down,but I am thinking he will go down fighting Malkizid.
Another epic battle for this champion only a different outcome perhaps for his race this time.
What I think would be a nifty way to do it: Fflar and Malkizid do battle. Fflar just manages to be be victorious, but is fatally wounded in the process. He sticks around just long enough to see that the good guys win, waves off the healers, and returns to Arvandor. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 07:13:13
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Originally posted by VEDSICA
I think it's too early as well to make predictions of the outcome of this trilogy.
I agree.
Though I *do* agree that Methrammar Aerasume will win love and win the battles with whomever he fights, because he is the shiny-armored, velvet-caped, perfect, chisel-featured handsome Champion of Silverymoon.
Perhaps by the end of the trilogy, Araevin will have gained a personality to match his powers. |
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Winterfox
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Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 14:25:28
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Though I *do* agree that Methrammar Aerasume will win love and win the battles with whomever he fights, because he is the shiny-armored, velvet-caped, perfect, chisel-featured handsome Champion of Silverymoon.
I don't intend to read the rest of the trilogy (for reasons stated elsewhere), but it'd be nice if the author surprises us by killing Methrammar off. Heh.
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Perhaps by the end of the trilogy, Araevin will have gained a personality to match his powers.
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 17:21:39
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Though I *do* agree that Methrammar Aerasume will win love and win the battles with whomever he fights, because he is the shiny-armored, velvet-caped, perfect, chisel-featured handsome Champion of Silverymoon.
Yeah, he needs to get mixed up into some drug scandal or be found with some halfling porn. That'll do the trick.
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Perhaps by the end of the trilogy, Araevin will have gained a personality to match his powers.
Well, war can be dramatic when it comes to affecting the personality. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 02 Apr 2005 : 17:25:33
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Originally posted by Winterfox
I don't intend to read the rest of the trilogy (for reasons stated elsewhere), but it'd be nice if the author surprises us by killing Methrammar off. Heh.
He's such a minor character, I'd hardly consider that a surprise. Now, if Queen Amalaruil or someone on that level falls....then I'll be surprised. |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 03 Apr 2005 : 05:42:08
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Yeah, he needs to get mixed up into some drug scandal or be found with some halfling porn. That'll do the trick.
I just can't help myself Sirius Black. ;)
As for killing him off...honestly, I always am a teensy bit surprised when an author kills off an established character, even a minor one (thinks of Windwalker). |
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Winterfox
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Posted - 03 Apr 2005 : 06:04:55
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Yeah, he needs to get mixed up into some drug scandal or be found with some halfling porn. That'll do the trick.
Why halfling porn, in particular? Or do I want to know?
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
As for killing him off...honestly, I always am a teensy bit surprised when an author kills off an established character, even a minor one (thinks of Windwalker).
Or even a major one, with no possibility of cheap resurrection whatsoever. Now that's what I call cool (especially since the death does serve to further characterization and plot). |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Apr 2005 : 06:33:32
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I just can't help myself Sirius Black. ;)
If I had a dime for every time I've had a lady say that to me...
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I always am a teensy bit surprised when an author kills off an established character, even a minor one (thinks of Windwalker).
I hope Richard Baker does kill off some of the prominent characters before the end of the trilogy. I mean besides the ones that we know have crows circling their heads for certain.
And as for the novel you mentioned...did you see some of the flack that author caught for killing off the prominent and even more so, the minor character she did? |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 03 Apr 2005 : 06:35:13
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Originally posted by Winterfox
Why halfling porn, in particular? Or do I want to know?
If you asked, it sounds like you want to know. And I just picked a race at random. For those halfling lovers out there who are offended, please substitute elf/dwarf/gnome porn at your will.
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Or even a major one, with no possibility of cheap resurrection whatsoever.
What author would kill off a major character only to have him come back through some cheap resurrection plot? |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 03 Apr 2005 : 16:30:42
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Originally posted by Winterfox
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
Yeah, he needs to get mixed up into some drug scandal or be found with some halfling porn. That'll do the trick.
Why halfling porn, in particular? Or do I want to know?
There are some things that are better left unexplored... |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 03 Apr 2005 : 16:31:42
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
I just can't help myself Sirius Black. ;)
If I had a dime for every time I've had a lady say that to me...
... Then you'd be out $60.  |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
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Posted - 03 Apr 2005 : 19:49:20
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
If I had a dime for every time I've had a lady say that to me...
You're killing me.
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I hope Richard Baker does kill off some of the prominent characters before the end of the trilogy. I mean besides the ones that we know have crows circling their heads for certain.
And as for the novel you mentioned...did you see some of the flack that author caught for killing off the prominent and even more so, the minor character she did?
Yes, I did. It's too bad--I know that it's hard to see certain characters die (the deaths in Windwalker made me teary-eyed), but Windwalker was supposed to be an intense book about the serious consequences of one's choices, and how they affect others. I think the people who gave Cunningham flack missed the point.
Truthfully I *would* be impressed if Mr. Baker killed off major characters, as long as the scenes are well written.
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Or even a major one, with no possibility of cheap resurrection whatsoever. Now that's what I call cool (especially since the death does serve to further characterization and plot).
Agreed, Winterfox. If a person *does* come back arbitrarily (let's say they did), it cheapens the plot, because the death was supposed to have meaning.
PS: I like the idea of "perfect" Methrammar getting caught with cheap porn. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 04 Apr 2005 : 04:03:26
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Originally posted by Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Yes, I did. It's too bad--I know that it's hard to see certain characters die (the deaths in Windwalker made me teary-eyed), but Windwalker was supposed to be an intense book about the serious consequences of one's choices, and how they affect others. I think the people who gave Cunningham flack missed the point.
Very well said. I understand about being emotional about deaths in a novel (Any George R. R. Martin fans out there, I'll just use two initials here..RW). However, you clearly summarized what Mrs. Cunningham repeatedly mentioned when it came to that novel...consequences. That's a word elves of current FR time are learning about once again in this trilogy. |
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Winterfox
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Posted - 04 Apr 2005 : 05:49:31
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
What author would kill off a major character only to have him come back through some cheap resurrection plot?
Tssk. Now, now. You wouldn't want it be said that you're an author-basher (like nasty snarky Winterfox), would you? |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 04 Apr 2005 : 05:59:50
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Tssk. Now, now. You wouldn't want it be said that you're an author-basher (like nasty snarky Winterfox), would you?
Would I? Who knows what a sick minded person who thinks up halfling porn might desire.
And did my post make you recall someone? <innocent look>
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elven_songstress
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Posted - 05 Apr 2005 : 21:58:52
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I think its going to be a joint effort, where the fallen Solar is concerned I believe that Saraya and others are going to accidently thorough manipulation release the Fallen Solar who is going to devastate a lot of the good guys, and likely only be banished again.
Though I have this sinking feeling that everyone's favorite High Priest of Corellon is going to wind up doing what Faflar did and waving off others while holding off something so he can go to his wife in Arvandor, as for Fflar I am not sure he is going to be returning to Arvandor (likely much to his dismay) while he doesn't recall much of it he remembers his family and his sword.
The poor thing when he's not kicking butt he's so lost. |
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Tanyn Midrain
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 09:27:09
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What makes you think Fflar won't return to Arvandor?
I very much hope he does, since he feels, and is, clearly out of place. Perhaps he and Seiveril will go down fighting Malkizid ? After all, if the guy is over 30000 years old, he ought to be powerful. Hopefully he can trick Sarya into summoning him back onto the Material Plane, since she is unaware of his true nature, and might not comply with this if she knows he's a fallen Solar, and very very powerful.
I'm really looking forward to a description of this being. How does a fallen Solar look? Since he was cast down into the nine hells he might look similiar to a pit fiend, but it would be really cool if he retained some of his old features, to add to his fall from grace.
All in all, a great book. Hope the series continue this way. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 15:15:05
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The poor thing when he's not kicking butt he's so lost.
Which perhaps makes clear why elves don't like to bring souls back like that. |
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VEDSICA
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 15:26:22
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First off Tanyn,Well Met !!!!I'm not really sure what a fallen Solar would look like,but I do agree that it would be cool for he/her(Are we sure about gender here?I forget already?)to retain some of the features of a Solar.Though I must confess that I don't even know what a Solar loooks like.I am sure that he/she is not grotesque.. |
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elven_songstress
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Posted - 06 Apr 2005 : 21:57:45
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Yes I think your right Sirius I do not believe I would want to return in that case. Flfar saying he doesn't recall why he returned anyways also makes me feel for him.
I hope they do return him to Arvandor but I don't know if they will. |
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SiriusBlack
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Posted - 07 Apr 2005 : 03:44:28
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Originally posted by elven_songstress
I hope they do return him to Arvandor but I don't know if they will.
Well as previous sources have shown, elves can will themselves to Arvandor. If he's defeated the threat, why would he wish to stay? |
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