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George Krashos
Master of Realmslore
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 Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 02:20:24
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SKR had this to say on some other, trifling Boards that never focus enough on the Realms ...
FYI, Champions of Valor draws on some of the BOED, but it's much more than just "the Book of Exalted Deeds translated to/crammed into FR." It does spend some time talking about what it is to be a valorous hero in FR (rather than just a good character), but it also gives a bunch of new feats, spells, magic items, new character regions (like "raised by the church of Selūne" as your region, no matter what country you're in), large and small writeups of valorous organizations in the Realms, substitution levels for many of those organization, a handful of prestige classes (yes, really only a handful), valorous locations, valorous NPCs (for cohorts or contacts), and valorous-appropriate creatures (like alternate paladin mounts). It's a book for PCs who want to run valorous characters and a book for DMs on how to run campaigns with valorous characters.
I can't wait to see/hear more.
-- George Krashos
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 02:57:07
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Originally posted by George Krashos
SKR had this to say on some other, trifling Boards that never focus enough on the Realms ...
 I love your description of this other board. Is SKR the sole designer for this tome? One of many? |
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Rinonalyrna Fathomlin
Great Reader
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Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 03:38:11
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Sounds like a "valorous" book, George. I can't wait to read it. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
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Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 03:54:59
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Originally posted by George Krashos
SKR had this to say on some other, trifling Boards that never focus enough on the Realms ...
I hear that they also do mean things to small furry animals. 
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Originally posted by George Krashos
FYI, Champions of Valor draws on some of the BOED, but it's much more than just "the Book of Exalted Deeds translated to/crammed into FR." It does spend some time talking about what it is to be a valorous hero in FR (rather than just a good character), but it also gives a bunch of new feats, spells, magic items, new character regions (like "raised by the church of Selūne" as your region, no matter what country you're in), large and small writeups of valorous organizations in the Realms, substitution levels for many of those organization, a handful of prestige classes (yes, really only a handful), valorous locations, valorous NPCs (for cohorts or contacts), and valorous-appropriate creatures (like alternate paladin mounts). It's a book for PCs who want to run valorous characters and a book for DMs on how to run campaigns with valorous characters.
I can't wait to see/hear more.
-- George Krashos
That sounds really good... I hope to see some info on the Tel'Teukiira, and it would be nice to know if there were any other major good-guy groups wandering around (other than the Harpers, of course).
I wonder if there's also going to be a Champions of Balance book? |
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Garen Thal
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 04:08:19
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 05:04:59
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Originally posted by George Krashos
...large and small writeups of valorous organizations in the Realms
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...a handful of prestige classes (yes, really only a handful)...
Do we know whether these few PrCs will be tied to the organisations presented?
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...valorous locations...
Well, it looks like my other idea for the Compendium is now out... .
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 06:14:53
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by George Krashos
SKR had this to say on some other, trifling Boards that never focus enough on the Realms ...
I love your description of this other board. Is SKR the sole designer for this tome? One of many?
Thats actually rather interesting
I heard that Thomas reid was one of the authors of CoV, I wasnt aware that Sean was working on any WOTC (outside of the web articles I think the last thing Sean worked on for the FR was Races of Faerun)
So Thomas do you have a partner in crime for the CoV? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
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Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 06:24:24
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quote:
Originally posted by George Krashos
SKR had this to say on some other, trifling Boards that never focus enough on the Realms ...
FYI, Champions of Valor draws on some of the BOED, but it's much more than just "the Book of Exalted Deeds translated to/crammed into FR." It does spend some time talking about what it is to be a valorous hero in FR (rather than just a good character), but it also gives a bunch of new feats, spells, magic items, new character regions (like "raised by the church of Selūne" as your region, no matter what country you're in), large and small writeups of valorous organizations in the Realms, substitution levels for many of those organization, a handful of prestige classes (yes, really only a handful), valorous locations, valorous NPCs (for cohorts or contacts), and valorous-appropriate creatures (like alternate paladin mounts). It's a book for PCs who want to run valorous characters and a book for DMs on how to run campaigns with valorous characters.
I can't wait to see/hear more.
-- George Krashos
Sean add this
WotC released the remainder of its 2005 schedule yesterday. FYI, Champions of Valor is the book I was finishing these past two months. I don't think I'm allowed to talk about it yet, but I'll answer questions about it when I'm allowed |
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ericlboyd
Forgotten Realms Designer
USA
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
USA
5517 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 17:08:45
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Originally posted by ericlboyd
Sean and Thomas wrote it. I pitched in a little bit.
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Thanks EB for the clarification. |
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Chosen of Moradin
Master of Realmslore
Brazil
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Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 17:16:49
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Well, if Champions of Valor will draw in some of the BoED, problably Champions of Ruin will draw in some of the BoVD, right?!? |
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Ty
Learned Scribe
USA
168 Posts |
Posted - 17 Mar 2005 : 22:17:08
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And upon seeing the emminent writers contributing to thine book of goodly valor he did declare "It is good." 
Seriously though, sounds very, very promising. Start saving cedar shavings Wooly. |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
334 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2005 : 00:48:40
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Do we know whether these few PrCs will be tied to the organisations presented?
Yes, they will.
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"A knight is not truly virtuous, only truly resolved to be so."
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31774 Posts |
Posted - 21 Mar 2005 : 05:44:31
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Do we know whether these few PrCs will be tied to the organisations presented?
Yes, they will.
Thomas
Ah.
That's good to hear. So there'll be some significant fluff to support their use in campaigns.
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Lady Kazandra
Senior Scribe
Australia
921 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 12:14:06
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What is the approximate release date for CoV?
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Dargoth
Great Reader
Australia
4607 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 13:55:54
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
What is the approximate release date for CoV?
The 4th of November 2005 |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
334 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 14:07:36
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
What is the approximate release date for CoV?
11/4/2005
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 22:26:07
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Originally posted by Lady Kazandra
What is the approximate release date for CoV?
Not soon enough. |
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Tamsar
Learned Scribe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Mar 2005 : 22:28:48
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Do we know whether these few PrCs will be tied to the organisations presented?
Yes, they will.
Thomas
Will they be in the same format as LEoF prestige classes? i.e with all the extra goodness info wise of how to utilise them in a campaign etc? |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 26 Mar 2005 : 18:00:15
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Originally posted by Tamsar
Will they be in the same format as LEoF prestige classes? i.e with all the extra goodness info wise of how to utilise them in a campaign etc?
Yes. That is called the new "fat" PrC format, which is popping up in both core D&D and now FR products. It is the new standard, AFAIK.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2005 : 18:39:08
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Originally posted by Tamsar
Will they be in the same format as LEoF prestige classes? i.e with all the extra goodness info wise of how to utilise them in a campaign etc?
Yes. That is called the new "fat" PrC format, which is popping up in both core D&D and now FR products. It is the new standard, AFAIK.
Thomas
That is welcome news. Lost Empires of Faerūn was the first time I actually enjoyed reading PrCs. |
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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Posted - 26 Mar 2005 : 19:32:09
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
Yes. That is called the new "fat" PrC format, which is popping up in both core D&D and now FR products. It is the new standard, AFAIK.
Thomas
Fat format? That your term or did someone else coin it? Regardless, I'm delighted to hear that this format is now standard. As Wooly noted, it makes the Prestige Classes much more interesting. |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 26 Mar 2005 : 23:29:34
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Fat format? That your term or did someone else coin it? Regardless, I'm delighted to hear that this format is now standard. As Wooly noted, it makes the Prestige Classes much more interesting.
WotC folks coined it. And yes, it does make them much more interesting to read. And a couple of days to design. 
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 26 Mar 2005 : 23:33:19
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
WotC folks coined it. And yes, it does make them much more interesting to read. And a couple of days to design.
Thomas
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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36804 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2005 : 03:49:49
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Originally posted by SiriusBlack
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
WotC folks coined it. And yes, it does make them much more interesting to read. And a couple of days to design.
Thomas
This fan appreciates the results of those extra couple of days.
As do I. Adding flavor to PrCs makes them a lot more interesting -- and thus a lot more likely to be played. I think it's a worthy trade-off. |
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Thomas M. Reid
Forgotten Realms Designer & Author
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Posted - 27 Mar 2005 : 15:25:09
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Adding flavor to PrCs makes them a lot more interesting -- and thus a lot more likely to be played. I think it's a worthy trade-off.
I don't disagree. They are much more complete this way. But if I never had to create another PrC (or feat, or substitution level, etc.) again, I wouldn't be unhappy. I know they are popular and help sell books, and I know on which side my bread is buttered, but being a prose guy, I much prefer the flavor text to the crunchy bits. It's far more personally gratifying.
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2005 : 16:22:42
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Adding flavor to PrCs makes them a lot more interesting -- and thus a lot more likely to be played. I think it's a worthy trade-off.
I don't disagree. They are much more complete this way. But if I never had to create another PrC (or feat, or substitution level, etc.) again, I wouldn't be unhappy. I know they are popular and help sell books, and I know on which side my bread is buttered, but being a prose guy, I much prefer the flavor text to the crunchy bits. It's far more personally gratifying.
Thomas
Well, I very much prefer the lore in the books, and it'd not bother me at all if they stop cramming in feats and PrCs, and used that space for more lore. But they won't do that -- so making the crunch interesting to read is the next best thing. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
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Posted - 27 Mar 2005 : 16:42:12
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
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Originally posted by Tamsar
Will they be in the same format as LEoF prestige classes? i.e with all the extra goodness info wise of how to utilise them in a campaign etc?
Yes. That is called the new "fat" PrC format, which is popping up in both core D&D and now FR products. It is the new standard, AFAIK.
Thomas
Then I am enjoying this new format.
Reading about the Cultist of the Shattered Peak PrC was the first time, in a long time, that I actually enjoyed reading about a new class as well as the stats and abilities that went with it. The support material made the class feel like it actually was a part of the Realms, and that was a plus in my book.
I look forward to this continuing trend.
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SiriusBlack
Great Reader
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5517 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2005 : 18:39:21
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Originally posted by Thomas M. Reid
I know they are popular and help sell books, and I know on which side my bread is buttered, but being a prose guy, I much prefer the flavor text to the crunchy bits. It's far more personally gratifying.
Thomas
You're preaching to the choir here on that subject. |
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SirUrza
Master of Realmslore
USA
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Posted - 28 Mar 2005 : 01:54:49
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Originally posted by George Krashos
valorous locations, valorous NPCs
*sniffles*
Guess that scratchs off my favorite moonblade wielding fighter/rogue female elf.
Maybe next year during the elf push? |
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Dargoth
Great Reader
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Posted - 04 Apr 2005 : 01:39:51
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| Any chance you we could get higher level versions of the Faith Healing in CoV? |
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Champions of Valor
