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Dargoth
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 Posted - 23 Feb 2005 : 12:57:05
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The feat as written can only be taken by Clerics but what about other Divine spell casting classes (and Prcs) a Druid of Moander or a Paladin of Amaunator would also be unable to cast spells or use divine abilities, could they take Servant of the Fallen as well amnd regain there divine granted powers?
Also could say Shuruppak (Gilgreams former chosen) use the Servant of the Fallen feat to reconnect with Gilgream and regain his Chosen powers?
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
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Posted - 23 Feb 2005 : 22:50:08
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Originally posted by Dargoth
The feat as written can only be taken by Clerics but what about other Divine spell casting classes (and Prcs) a Druid of Moander or a Paladin of Amaunator would also be unable to cast spells or use divine abilities, could they take Servant of the Fallen as well amnd regain there divine granted powers?
Also could say Shuruppak (Gilgreams former chosen) use the Servant of the Fallen feat to reconnect with Gilgream and regain his Chosen powers?
You're right, it should be expanded to include all divine spellcasters.
As for Shuruppak... I'd say not. Why? Because a deity specifically selects a Chosen, and invests in that person a piece of their own divine essence. While granting spells is almost a reflexive action for gods, I'd say they'd have to be fully conscious to imbue a Chosen with their power. And with his recent death at Tiamat's hands, Gilgeam (if he's still around, and didn't simply leave or get banished) may not have the power to spare for a Chosen. |
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Dargoth
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Posted - 23 Feb 2005 : 22:56:48
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Well if thats the case
Elminster and the other Chosen of Mystra should have become alot less Healthy and some of them should have dropped dead from old age when Helm killed Mystra during the Time of Troubles. |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 23 Feb 2005 : 23:23:14
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Originally posted by Dargoth
Well if thats the case
Elminster and the other Chosen of Mystra should have become alot less Healthy and some of them should have dropped dead from old age when Helm killed Mystra during the Time of Troubles.
Not necessarily... Mystra was a heck of a lot more powerful, had already made provisions for her death, and kinda dissolved back into the Weave. Also, part of the reason she had Chosen was in case something happened to her. Most importantly, Mystra was slain during the Time of Troubles, when all the normal deific rules had been chucked out the window. Gilgeam was slain after the ToT, and on his home plane, too. |
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Ty
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Posted - 24 Feb 2005 : 01:10:55
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You know, I was wondering the same thing about Servant of the Fallen after thinking on it for awhile, but with respect to a different question.
Basically, it reads as though if you are a cleric, you gain the ability to cast spells only, but on the same token, says nothing about access to other clerical abilities (e.g. turn/rebuke undead). I just assumed that this would be included as the nice answer in my campaign, but Dargoth knows how fuzzy my mind is...
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edbonny
Forgotten Realms Designer
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Posted - 24 Feb 2005 : 13:40:24
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What happens if you take this feat and then your god returns from the dead (like Bane)? Are you now stuck with the feat or do you get rewarded with a new feat from your deity? I prefer the latter especially as it is an incentive to work to bring your deity back (however remote that possibility is).
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 24 Feb 2005 : 14:55:25
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Originally posted by edbonny
What happens if you take this feat and then your god returns from the dead (like Bane)? Are you know stuck with the feat or do you get rewarded with a new feat from your deity? I prefer the latter especially as it is an incentive to work to bring your deity back (however remote that possibility is).
- Ed
Not sure if the prereqs would always work, but I'd be tempted to give the character the Initiate of XXX feat to replace the Servant of the Fallen (XXX) feat if the god comes back to life.
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Dargoth
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Posted - 24 Feb 2005 : 22:15:43
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Banes Church in Mourktar never converted to Cyric or Xvim and as of Faithes of Avatars it wasnt known who was granting them spells, maybe they'd all taken the Servant of the Fallen Feat |
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 24 Feb 2005 : 23:41:20
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Originally posted by edbonny
What happens if you take this feat and then your god returns from the dead (like Bane)? Are you know stuck with the feat or do you get rewarded with a new feat from your deity? I prefer the latter especially as it is an incentive to work to bring your deity back (however remote that possibility is).
- Ed
Not sure if the prereqs would always work, but I'd be tempted to give the character the Initiate of XXX feat to replace the Servant of the Fallen (XXX) feat if the god comes back to life.
--Eric
That's a good suggestion.
But I'd go a little further -- at the least, an XP bonus from the newly-returned deity. Why? Well, any clerics after that could take the Initiate feat, so it makes sense that the truly loyal, those who believed when the deity was pushing up daisies, should get special recognition from the deity. |
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Bakra
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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 : 22:17:35
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Originally posted by Ty
You know, I was wondering the same thing about Servant of the Fallen after thinking on it for awhile, but with respect to a different question.
Basically, it reads as though if you are a cleric, you gain the ability to cast spells only, but on the same token, says nothing about access to other clerical abilities (e.g. turn/rebuke undead). I just assumed that this would be included as the nice answer in my campaign, but Dargoth knows how fuzzy my mind is...
what with his recent infestation of dwarves and all...
I have a question along these lines too. Is the +1 luck bonus in place of Domain Granted Powers or is the luck bonus in addition to the Domain Granted Powers? I think it is the first one since they are special enough to get clerical spells.
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ericlboyd
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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 : 22:47:46
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I think it's the second one. Basically the +1 luck bonus is "half a feat", to compensate for the fact that you're burning a feat for a role-playing hook.
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Wooly Rupert
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Posted - 28 Feb 2005 : 22:57:53
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Originally posted by Bakra
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Originally posted by Ty
You know, I was wondering the same thing about Servant of the Fallen after thinking on it for awhile, but with respect to a different question.
Basically, it reads as though if you are a cleric, you gain the ability to cast spells only, but on the same token, says nothing about access to other clerical abilities (e.g. turn/rebuke undead). I just assumed that this would be included as the nice answer in my campaign, but Dargoth knows how fuzzy my mind is...
what with his recent infestation of dwarves and all...
I have a question along these lines too. Is the +1 luck bonus in place of Domain Granted Powers or is the luck bonus in addition to the Domain Granted Powers? I think it is the first one since they are special enough to get clerical spells.
Any thoughts?
I would put it in place of the domain powers, since there's no indication that those are granted... |
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Ayrik
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Posted - 20 Mar 2011 : 08:02:41
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| Dargoth mentioned a Druid of Moander in his OP. Since Moander's all the rage these days, where can I find information about this class? Is it canon or was it homebrew? |
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Hawkins
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Posted - 21 Mar 2011 : 14:52:46
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Originally posted by Arik
Dargoth mentioned a Druid of Moander in his OP. Since Moander's all the rage these days, where can I find information about this class? Is it canon or was it homebrew?
I believe it would just be a druid who has take the Servant of the Fallen feat (Lost Empires of Faerűn, page 9). |
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A few thoughts on the Servant of the Fallen feat
