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Folly
Acolyte
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 Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 06:50:39
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Hey guys, long time lurker first time poster. What has drawn me out is help and advice from my fellow gamers. I am currently working on a character for a game I'm playing with my friends and the frame for him is a Demonologist.
My question is, can I get a list of 3rd and 3.5 edition books that would be of help in this endeavor. Books on devils/demons/fiends, the planes, etc. Any and all help would be greatly appreciated mates!
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 07:08:03
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| I told someone earlier about the Book of Vile Darkness...it has lots in it. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 07:40:15
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The Fiendish Codexes 1&2, Faces of Evil; the Fiends and Hellbound both 2e Planescape Supplements, and The Guide to Hell, also a 2e product. There is a good collection of lore called The Gates of Hell at Dicefreaks. A good 3rd party netbook. And of course the Demonomicon of Iggwilv from Dungeon.
You might also look in either of the 3.5 books Underdark or Drow of the Underdark in one of them is the Demonbinder PrC. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 08:29:32
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Fellfire referenced the most prominent sources.
I'd also recommend two third-party supplements which offer fascinating takes on both demons and devils -- Armies of the Abyss and Legions of Hell -- and published by Green Ronin.
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Kajehase
Great Reader
Sweden
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Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 09:07:01
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The Green Ronin books the Sage recommends were later added together with an equally large piece about daemons (the yugoloths not being open content) and published as Book of Fiends?
Another great source for demons are the Demonimocon of Iggwilw articles by James Jacobs in Dragon Magazine.
#329 - Pazuzu
#333 - Fraz-Urb'luu
#337 - Zuggtmoy
#341 - Baphomet
#345 - Kostchtchie
...are all available as downloads at the Paizo store, and
#349 - Dagon is at least listed with a price, still. |
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Edited by - Kajehase on 27 Mar 2011 09:09:53 |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 09:46:41
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Other relevant (2E) planescape books are Planes of Law, Planes of Chaos, Planes of Conflict, and the Into The Abyss adventure. 2E fiend lore is scattered through almost every planescape product.
The SRD and Wikipedia have plenty of 3.?E-era D&D demon/devil lore.
Some of the more fiendish d20 products are: Book of Fiends (Volume I: Legions of Hell and Volume II: Armies of the Abyss), Fiendish Codex (I: Hordes of the Abyss and II: Tyrants of the Nine Hells), Anger of Angels, Demons and Devils, Oathbound (Domains of the Forge and The Plains Of Penance), Encyclopaedia Magica (Demonology: The Dark Road), Aasimar & Tieflings: A Guidebook To The Planetouched, and The Slayer's Guide To Demons.
None of these are canon. Quality, compatibility, tastefulness, and game balance varies, YMMV. |
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Edited by - Ayrik on 27 Mar 2011 09:50:57 |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 15:09:37
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| Pathfinder's two volumes of the Book of the Damned (Lords of Chaos and Princes of Darkness) are good, too. They're not Realms-specific (and are in fact for another campaign setting, Golarion), but they've got some good stuff and I think they are in some ways superior to Planescape stuff. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 16:33:32
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| Oooh, excellent! Another fiendish book I haven't read. Mwoohahahaa. |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 17:12:24
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Pathfinder's two volumes of the Book of the Damned (Lords of Chaos and Princes of Darkness) are good, too. They're not Realms-specific (and are in fact for another campaign setting, Golarion), but they've got some good stuff and I think they are in some ways superior to Planescape stuff.
You know, the planar fan in me is embarrassed to say that I actually forgot about those two great sources. |
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
USA
492 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 18:30:55
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Originally posted by The Sage
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
Pathfinder's two volumes of the Book of the Damned (Lords of Chaos and Princes of Darkness) are good, too. They're not Realms-specific (and are in fact for another campaign setting, Golarion), but they've got some good stuff and I think they are in some ways superior to Planescape stuff.
You know, the planar fan in me is embarrassed to say that I actually forgot about those two great sources.
Volume I and II of the 'Book of the Damned' series are seriously, seriously good.
'The Great Beyond' is pretty good too from what I've heard. ;) |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 18:52:30
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| Shemmy, always a pleasure to see you round here. Are there Celestial counterparts to the Books of the Damned? |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 19:26:33
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| While searching the Paizo website I dicovered Monster Chronicles: Nightmare co-written by our very own Ed Greenwood and Paizo's Rob McCreary. One thing is certain, it's worth the 3 bucks. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
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Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 19:29:06
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| I suppose (Goethe's) Faust is the classic fiend-related sourcebook, though not written D&D. Worth mentioning. |
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Ayrik
Great Reader
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Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 19:43:20
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Fellfire — Are there Celestial counterparts to the Books of the Damned?
Yes, but not as many. Those glowy-halo featherwings just aren't as marketable as nasty ol' fiends.
Planescape: On Hallowed Ground, Planes of Law, Planes of Chaos, Planes of Conflict, The Deva Spark (adventure) |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 19:53:54
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| I was referring to a Pathfinder product. I was unable to find one on their site, so I suspect that you are right. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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Ayrik
Great Reader
Canada
7989 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 20:12:14
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| Well, let's face it ... your party discovers that the only way they can destroy the Kidney of Vecna is to crush it under a big rock (the legendary kidney stone, of course) on some faraway exotic outer plane. It would make sense to put this special rock on the peak of Mount Celestia, where wholesome rays of goodness can cook away Vecna's renal vileness once and for all. Yet 9.73 out of every 10 DMs will choose, of all the possible places in the infinite multiverse, a nicely tropical adventure set somewhere like the 349th layer of the Abyss. Ergo, there's little demand for angels. |
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Wooly Rupert
Master of Mischief
USA
36804 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 22:35:16
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Originally posted by Arik
Well, let's face it ... your party discovers that the only way they can destroy the Kidney of Vecna is to crush it under a big rock (the legendary kidney stone, of course) on some faraway exotic outer plane. It would make sense to put this special rock on the peak of Mount Celestia, where wholesome rays of goodness can cook away Vecna's renal vileness once and for all. Yet 9.73 out of every 10 DMs will choose, of all the possible places in the infinite multiverse, a nicely tropical adventure set somewhere like the 349th layer of the Abyss. Ergo, there's little demand for angels.
Well, it does seem a little less heroic to mount an assault against the Seven Heavens than it does to do the same against the Nine Hells. |
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Dalor Darden
Great Reader
USA
4211 Posts |
Posted - 27 Mar 2011 : 23:07:41
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quote:
Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arik
Well, let's face it ... your party discovers that the only way they can destroy the Kidney of Vecna is to crush it under a big rock (the legendary kidney stone, of course) on some faraway exotic outer plane. It would make sense to put this special rock on the peak of Mount Celestia, where wholesome rays of goodness can cook away Vecna's renal vileness once and for all. Yet 9.73 out of every 10 DMs will choose, of all the possible places in the infinite multiverse, a nicely tropical adventure set somewhere like the 349th layer of the Abyss. Ergo, there's little demand for angels.
Well, it does seem a little less heroic to mount an assault against the Seven Heavens than it does to do the same against the Nine Hells.
My favorite adventure of all time is when my SHADE (who was Neutral Evil) had to sneak into an upper plane to steal something! Talk about feeling out of place!
With all the light and lack of shadows...lets just say I felt awkward!
did I spell that right? lol |
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 28 Mar 2011 : 02:01:13
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Originally posted by Wooly Rupert
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Originally posted by Arik
Well, let's face it ... your party discovers that the only way they can destroy the Kidney of Vecna is to crush it under a big rock (the legendary kidney stone, of course) on some faraway exotic outer plane. It would make sense to put this special rock on the peak of Mount Celestia, where wholesome rays of goodness can cook away Vecna's renal vileness once and for all. Yet 9.73 out of every 10 DMs will choose, of all the possible places in the infinite multiverse, a nicely tropical adventure set somewhere like the 349th layer of the Abyss. Ergo, there's little demand for angels.
Well, it does seem a little less heroic to mount an assault against the Seven Heavens than it does to do the same against the Nine Hells.
I would think that depends on how the campaign itself is waged.  |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
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Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 02:19:27
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Not FR or even WotC, but for the sake of completeness Green Ronin's Book of Fiends I and II (Legions of Hell and Armies of the Abyss) and the Slayer's Guide to Demons by Mongoose Publishing deserve a mention. Does anybody know what ever became of the Slayer's Guide to Devils? Was it ever published?
edit: Sorry for the repeat reference on the Green Ronin books, Sage. I don't know how I missed that. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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The Sage
Procrastinator Most High
Australia
31772 Posts |
Posted - 06 Apr 2011 : 02:32:39
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Originally posted by Fellfire
Does anybody know what ever became of the Slayer's Guide to Devils? Was it ever published?
The last bit of info I have on this, is from 2008. At which time, it was still listed as "delayed/postponed."
I've not heard anything about it since. |
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Fellfire
Master of Realmslore
1965 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2011 : 06:17:21
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Originally posted by Fellfire
While searching the Paizo website I dicovered Monster Chronicles: Nightmare co-written by our very own Ed Greenwood and Paizo's Rob McCreary. One thing is certain, it's worth the 3 bucks.
I just got this and as I suspected, twas a good read. A little short at only 8 pages, but worth a couple of bucks. I especially liked the Vampiric Nightmare and the Nightmare-sired Tiefling  .
I was actually a little disappointed by the lack of a definitive origin. It states that they are neither devils nor horses, but doesn't say what they actually are or where they come from. |
Misanthorpe
Love is a lie. Only hate endures. Light is blinding. Only in darkness do we see clearly.
"Oh, you think darkness is your ally? You merely adopted the dark. I was born in it, molded by it. I didn't see the light until I was already a man, by then it was nothing to me but.. blinding. The shadows betray you because they belong to me." - Bane The Dark Knight Rises
Green Dragonscale Dice Bag by Crystalsidyll - check it out
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Fingal
Seeker
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 14:15:12
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The 2e Planescape supplement 'Faces of Evil' is fantastic. I think it's one of the best D&D books ever released, in fact. There are no stats in it at all; it's purely lore so it is useful with whatever system of edition you want to run.
I also have to agree with Wooly and Shemmy. I really like Paizo's 'Book of the Damned Volume 1: Princes of Evil' which deals with Devils. I keep meaning to buy the new one, 'Lords of Chaos' but haven't got around to it yet. |
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Shemmy
Senior Scribe
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Posted - 14 Apr 2011 : 14:57:46
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Originally posted by Fingal
I keep meaning to buy the new one, 'Lords of Chaos' but haven't got around to it yet.
It's really, -really- good. James Jacobs did a spectacular job on that one. :) |
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Alisttair
Great Reader
Canada
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Snow
Learned Scribe
USA
125 Posts |
Posted - 23 Apr 2011 : 21:50:34
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| Such excellent references! Thanks for the related books I've never heard of before ... |
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